Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[walden]

If that had come about differently, and not right after payment for being on the show was turned down, I would have looked at him in a much different light. I still feel bad about Kate and Kevin. I think they were really close. I wonder if on both sides, they wish they could turn back the clock. I've always wondered if that really was what Kevin wanted to do, or was it the work of Jodi.

I do not know how it came down. Do you have documentary proof of requests for payment by Kevib and Jodi that were turned down? Conclusive evidence that they were just being vindictive?

The trashing of Jodi and Kevin always puzzled me. They seemed to be trying so hard to be supportive. And were. All that babysitting. Kate appreciated them at one point, so what went so horribly wrong? Then there is the Beth mystery. Whatever did happen to BFF Beth?

Documentation not opinion, please.

 

[DMRick]

Maybe Jon would do the same if he was allowed to be near the kids. Maybe the reason he is not profiting off of them is b/c he can't, not b/c he doesn't want to. But, for right now, he is not.

I've asked this a few times and no one has answered. Didn't Jon make a deal with the devil (TLC) to allow the kids to be taped again..to get himself out of the lawsuit. The lawsuit that happened because he threatened to pull the kids, if TLC didn't give him free reign to do other projects? Is Jon still under contract? If the kids do a special, does he get a part of that? Because the kids can't really get paid, can they?

And whatever happened to the PA investigation?

 

[DMRick]

I do not know how it came down. Do you have documentary proof of requests for payment by Kevib and Jodi that were turned down? Conclusive evidence that they were just being vindictive?

The trashing of Jodi and Kevin always puzzled me. They seemed to be trying so hard to be supportive. And were. All that babysitting. Kate appreciated them at one point, so what went so horribly wrong? Then there is the Beth mystery. Whatever did happen to BFF Beth?

Documentation not opinion, please.

Jodi saying she asked for pay and Kate went to TLC and said no..is that not proof? Jodi did say it in one of the interviews..I think the morning show. She said she was angry that Kate was the reason she didn't get paid, except to put lights in her house. I think she said that Kate said no one other than her and Jon would make money off their kids. I believed Jodi when she said it. People here were pretty angry at Kate.

It's been said that Beth went back to school. I don't know if it's true, but it was also posted somewhere on this thread that he husband was private and so was Beth and no longer wanted to be a part of the show. I thought Jon worked for her husband for a short period of time..was he the one that Jon worked for?

 

[Promomx2]

more snippets from the book keep turning up... at this rate, no one will have to buy it. LOL

http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/b...you-to-know-guilt-trip-book-for-her-children/

These poor children. All she says is negative about them. I wrote to my kids at their early christmases and birthdays, but it was about the cute things they did, their favorite toys at the time. Things I knew I probably forget and then put the cards in their baby books.

Maybe one day the kids can write a letter to Kate at the therapist office. I wonder if Jon is going to use the new book for his custody case. It can be construed as a unfit mother to release this personal writings for profit.

 

[walden]

Jodi saying she asked for pay and Kate went to TLC and said no..is that not proof? Jodi did say it in one of the interviews..I think the morning show. She said she was angry that Kate was the reason she didn't get paid, except to put lights in her house. I think she said that Kate said no one other than her and Jon would make money off their kids. I believed Jodi when she said it. People here were pretty angry at Kate.

It's been said that Beth went back to school. I don't know if it's true, but it was also posted somewhere on this thread that he husband was private and so was Beth and no longer wanted to be a part of the show. I thought Jon worked for her husband for a short period of time..was he the one that Jon worked for?

Or Jodi saying she was approached by TLC offering pay. Kate heard of it and said no. BTW, did Kate compensate Jodi for the babysitting that BOTH admitted (on film) that she was providing, filming permission aside. No documentary proof from either.

I still say that the whole Beth thing is odd. She was the co-author of the first book. Another person who has not galloped to the fore to say that Kate is NOT the devil incarnate. Odd. Just odd. Unless the whole relationship broke down irretrievably. But why? Another person who used to be so supportive.

Yes, I do realise that this is retreading already covered ground. But those unanswered questions are important.

No documentation from either side.

 

[DMRick]

Again..why would this be material that anyone would want to publish. Would anyone buy this book? I hope there is something positive in this book for the kids.

Would a court really consider this material to charge her as an unfit mother? Saying that a child cried so much she had to call their dad? Good gosh, we saw her their child's constipation being taken care of on TV..and yet neither of them were charged. I'm still tryig to figure out why that didn't end up on the cutting room floor.

These poor children. All she says is negative about them. I wrote to my kids at their early christmases and birthdays, but it was about the cute things they did, their favorite toys at the time. Things I knew I probably forget and then put the cards in their baby books.

Maybe one day the kids can write a letter to Kate at the therapist office. I wonder if Jon is going to use the new book for his custody case. It can be construed as a unfit mother to release this personal writings for profit.

 

[whitneyNC]

It's been said that Beth went back to school. I don't know if it's true, but it was also posted somewhere on this thread that he husband was private and so was Beth and no longer wanted to be a part of the show. I thought Jon worked for her husband for a short period of time..was he the one that Jon worked for?

Bob and Beth lost a ton of money I have heard with our economic downturn. He is a property developer. They no longer live in that big spread Kate so lusted for, swam at, had portraits taken at, etc. They live in a much smaller house. Unlike Carla, Beth was not an old family friend. She and her oldest two daughters approached Kate about helping with the tups because of the local publicity. They didn't know each other before then. Then the twins became "best friends" with Beth's youngest daughter who must be about 12now. Beth's son and oldest two girls are out of the house now in college and working (I think I have that straight; Carla has several girls too including last summer's non-nanny Ashley). It has been said Jon never worked for Bob but used that as a cover to ease into the "show is our life, life is our show" mode after he quit the out of town IT job. I have no idea how much we read is true when it comes to things like Beth, the book she was co-writing but abruptly removed from, or Jon's jobs.

 

[DMRick]

I don't know how much more documentation you would need. In any case, even if it's not true, that they never offered to pay Jodi, Jodi said they did, and Kate said no, and shortly after that they did the interviews. Again, I say, if they had done the interviews differently, perhaps before the money incident) I might have felt better about it. Supposedly her brother said they were paid (he gave a figure but I don't remember it) for the interview.

I've often said I'd like to hear from Beth..but maytbe she is a true friend and that is why she is silent. Or maybe she just wants out of the whole thing.

Or Jodi saying she was approached by TLC offering pay. Kate heard of it and said no. BTW, did Kate compensate Jodi for the babysitting that BOTH admitted (on film) that she was providing, filming permission aside. No documentary proof from either.

I still say that the whole Beth thing is odd. She was the co-author of the first book. Another person who has not galloped to the fore to say that Kate is NOT the devil incarnate. Odd. Just odd. Unless the whole relationship broke down irretrievably. But why? Another person who used to be so supportive.

Yes, I do realise that this is retreading already covered ground. But those unanswered questions are important.

No documentation from either side.

 

[DVCisME]

From one point of view, if I were Beth I would be annoyed that the book deal was split three ways instead of two. Jon along with Kate were listed on the book and then Kate took all the credit. I would think spending that much time on something and not being compensated the way you thought you would or even credited would leave a sour taste,
I personally thought that something happened on their trip to go skiing. Maybe that is when Beth realized that Jon and Kate were not Jon AND Kate...

 

[kidshop]

I've asked this a few times and no one has answered. Didn't Jon make a deal with the devil (TLC) to allow the kids to be taped again..to get himself out of the lawsuit. The lawsuit that happened because he threatened to pull the kids, if TLC didn't give him free reign to do other projects? Is Jon still under contract? If the kids do a special, does he get a part of that? Because the kids can't really get paid, can they?

And whatever happened to the PA investigation?

Well, they would be equally bad then right? If it's so horrible for Jon to allow filming, isn't it equally horrible for Kate to appear in the show with them? The lawsuit was officially b/c of Jon's non-contract activities. He isn't allowed to work anywhere to earn money to date. People seem to want him to 'get a job' and earn something, however.

About Jodi...the story to the best of my recollection was they were approached by TLC to be paid and Kate refused. She then 'fired' them as babysitters and family members and hired Jenny (who was paid).

Beth...abruptly went home during the Utah trip, never to be seen again.

 

[mhsjax]

I didn't say that I didn't blame Kate if she is the reason they didn't get paid. I said if he didn't have the break with her right after that happened I would have looked at it differently. Perhaps if he felt the kids were mistreated, he should have gone to the authorities. Maybe even before he was turned down for pay. So are you saying that it was ok that he talked about his sister like that, because Kate would not allow them to be paid? And so it's her fault..that he wouldn't have done it if Kate had just ok'd he get paid? Why would he have wanted to be on the show for or without pay, if things were as bad as he said?

In fact, I think way back when it was talked about, I had no problem with them being paid. I don't see your point? I'm talking about how he went about talking about Kate. It was an interview..he talked, I heard him (and Jodi). I have no idea if it was a bad light or a good light. He was live on one of the morning shows. I don't think they edited that.

I don't know the exact time frame, I am not really sure it was right after the not getting paid thing but I could be wrong. I don't believe that they talked because of that. They started talking when all of the stuff about Jon came out. Again, someone had bad things to say about Kate and for whatever reason you seem to choose to ignore it or imply that they are bd mouthing for a reason. Sometimes things just happen at certain times. It could be coincidence, I personally don't believe that it was the exact time frame of them not getting paid. It happened to me, I suddenly realized that Kate was acting like a real jerk and wasn't the great mother she claimed to be.

 

[DMRick]

You would think, but some here seem to want to place all the blame on Kate and some have said that at least Jon isn't profiting off of them. I don't know that he isn't the same as Kate. We gave him high fives when he took them off, but he only took them off, because TLC wouldn't let him break the contract. He used them as a threat.

I wasn't under the impression that Jon couldn't work. I thought he couldn't do interviews, etc. I never heard he couldn't get an IT job to earn money. Did that contract stop him from all jobs?

Well, they would be equally bad then right? If it's so horrible for Jon to allow filming, isn't it equally horrible for Kate to appear in the show with them? The lawsuit was officially b/c of Jon's non-contract activities. He isn't allowed to work anywhere to earn money to date. People seem to want him to 'get a job' and earn something, however.

 

[AKL_Megs]

Just popping in to say...

I miss seeing the kiddos... I wonder if they are getting bigger... losing teeth goodvibes)... anyone seen any good pics lately?

 

[DMRick]

Trust me, it was not just me that found the timing interesting. It was shortly after the non pay thing. We discussed it a lot here. They were even questioned about that in the interview..saying that people were saying it was because they weren't getting paid. They were asked why, if they thought the kids were being mistreated they continued in the show. They were asked, why choose this time to come forward.

I do feel that many times, when 'sources', come forward, I need to take into consideration why they picked the time they did and what benefits come from what they have to say. I strongly question why Jodi and Kevin came forward at the time they did. They were perfectly aware of what the show was about when they were on it.

I haven't heard too many people that really know Kate say much of anything about her, good or bad. But for sure, the bad often gets posted here, and the good is dropped. I have to laugh. I ignore the bad things said about Kate from sources..and those of you who dislike her, never ignore the good things, eh, even if, like the person in the make up trailer, who had a name said nice things? How much was that talked about here? Or the other dancer that had good to say about Kate? Seems to me that some don't want to hear anything good about her.

I don't know the exact time frame, I am not really sure it was right after the not getting paid thing but I could be wrong. I don't believe that they talked because of that. They started talking when all of the stuff about Jon came out. Again, someone had bad things to say about Kate and for whatever reason you seem to choose to ignore it or imply that they are bd mouthing for a reason. Sometimes things just happen at certain times. It could be coincidence, I personally don't believe that it was the exact time frame of them not getting paid. It happened to me, I suddenly realized that Kate was acting like a real jerk and wasn't the great mother she claimed to be.

 

[Dee77]

He was stopped from doing any lucrative, high visibilty jobs that are in the entertainment arena. I guess he could go and try to get a job at a business working in an IT department but most likely no one will want the media attention or distractions. It will be interesting to see if he will write a book once he is through being grounded.

 

[talulabelle]

These poor children. All she says is negative about them. I wrote to my kids at their early christmases and birthdays, but it was about the cute things they did, their favorite toys at the time. Things I knew I probably forget and then put the cards in their baby books.

Maybe one day the kids can write a letter to Kate at the therapist office. I wonder if Jon is going to use the new book for his custody case. It can be construed as a unfit mother to release this personal writings for profit.

"you have challenged my authority greatly" sounds like something some cruel dictator would write....oh wait, umm yeah.

"I called Daddy at work many times because you would not obey"??? Um how old were the tups the last time their dad had a job for her to call them at? Like 2? MAYBE 3. Uh huh. Imagine that - a 3 yr old that doesn't obey.

I for one would like to see the book that comes out in a few years that publishes the children letters to their mother.

"I have a hard time in relationships because I am so used to being belittled, I chose partners that do the same to me" -

"I don't trust women, because when I was a toddler, you took my prized possession and tortured me by taunting me with throwing it away to punish me for having a treat like gum"

I have issues with food, because when I tried to enjoy icecream, you screamed at me and took it from me, teasing me with tiny bites while screaming at me about how messy I was"

and we all could go on and on and on and on.....

I like to buy the book that publishes the kids letters to their mother in a few years.

 

[talulabelle]

Trust me, it was not just me that found the timing interesting. It was shortly after the non pay thing. We discussed it a lot here. They were even questioned about that in the interview..saying that people were saying it was because they weren't getting paid. They were asked why, if they thought the kids were being mistreated they continued in the show. They were asked, why choose this time to come forward.

I do feel that many times, when 'sources', come forward, I need to take into consideration why they picked the time they did and what benefits come from what they have to say. I strongly question why Jodi and Kevin came forward at the time they did. They were perfectly aware of what the show was about when they were on it.

I haven't heard too many people that really know Kate say much of anything about her, good or bad. But for sure, the bad often gets posted here, and the good is dropped. I have to laugh. I ignore the bad things said about Kate from sources..and those of you who dislike her, never ignore the good things, eh, even if, like the person in the make up trailer, who had a name said nice things? How much was that talked about here? Or the other dancer that had good to say about Kate? Seems to me that some don't want to hear anything good about her.

Geez, how can you say that? Her father. Her brother. Her sister-in-law. Her past nannies. Her ex-husband. Many journalists that have met her.

 

[kidshop]

He was stopped from doing any lucrative, high visibilty jobs that are in the entertainment arena. I guess he could go and try to get a job at a business working in an IT department but most likely no one will want the media attention or distractions. It will be interesting to see if he will write a book once he is through being grounded.

How come it is highly insulting to suggest Kate work a regular job, but Jon is supposed to do that since he is controlled by TLC (who lets Kate work for other sources but not Jon)? Wouldn't all the reasons Kate can't be a nurse apply for Jon not to be an IT guy?!

I wanted to add about Jodi, that the incident took place in Aug I think and they did not speak to the media until the following spring. Jodi's sister had the video a bit earlier however. I don't remember when. Oh, and Kate explained on the show Jodi was gone b/c the kids just didn't like going to her house anymore or were tired of it or something.

 

[Dee77]

I don't believe Kate can work a "regular" job either but the difference is that she is above working a regular job since they generally require long hours and don't pay $200K for what.... 15 weeks of work (and that's if she makes it to the finals of DWTS and that's a big IF) In an interview that I saw with my own eyes she said since starting DWTS that a regular job won't allow for her to be home any more than she is now, and that she needs to support her children "on her own" so she is taking on the martyr persona now so.... She also had no problem bragging that she is the one who is bringing in the record ratings for the show, but she doesn't seem to realize that a lot of people are watching just to see her make a jerk out of herself.

I can't pinpoint what type of work either of them should do considering the media attention they get but I can say that when times are tough most of the people I know along with myself and my husband would hunker down and cut back the luxuries and get real with what our priorities are.

I am also surprised that regardless of what has transpired in the past with their parents/families, that none of them would step forward in the past 24 months or so and give them a "Snap out of it" (from Moonstruck) lecture.

 

[DMRick]

Geez, how can you say that? Her father. Her brother. Her sister-in-law. Her past nannies. Her ex-husband. Many journalists that have met her.

Her father has talked about her?
Yes, I know her brother and sister in law, since that is what we are talking about. But other than that, I am talking about people that know her. People that have nothing to gain. People that were actually acquaintences of her. Not the rag mags, or fired nannies.
It was Aug that the incident happened and Spring when the interview took place? I didn't realize it was that long apart. I have to admit I didn't keep a good timeline, but I did think it was shortly after they were no longer on the show. So if they were so concerned for the kids, I still don't get why they waited until after they were off the show, and after that incident. They were willing to still be on the show for pay..so why go to the press?