Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[DMRick]

Thank you for your opinion. That was actually more the answer I was asking for (although I don't think any of us like to see our money go out).

I do wish she would get someone smart advising her, and I'm not sure how she is getting jobs if she doesn't have someone. She is not very savy (or is Jon) or I think, as you said, things shown, would not have been. They should have had more say in what was shown. Although honestly, I still am not sure that she understands why she is seen in the light she is often seen in.

As far as the rep thing goes, this is how I interpret it. She comes across like an idiot so right there that makes me think that she does not have someone there to help her with editing the content of her shows or make statements on her behalf. She also has made it seem as though money coming in is a top priority to raise her kids "basically by herself" as she has actually been quoted saying so there's where I came to the conclusion that she likes to keep the dollars coming in and not going out.

I think the TLC network hasn't done them any favors either. They certainly presented the material in a very unattractive way and if they had a manager working for them in negotiations with the network, I think that the representation of the 2 of them on the couch, content of the shows etc would have been better for their overall image (assuming there was anything positive to work with on the editing room floor.)

 

[whitneyNC]

It was so obvious in the article that he was implying she is difficult beyond normal novice stuff. We can't be literal as adults or we will stay in a bunch of communication trouble! Everyone has to read between the lines and notice implications.
Isn't it interesting that still, nobody has come out to defend her? No sorority sister, no real sister, no friend, no church member, no former co-worker. Nobody.
If the edited TV show is not her real personality, why would we see it again on DWTS? Are both networks out to get her? Why would we hear about all the drama off camera?
What if they have edited all these years of footage to make her look as "good" as they can, and this is still what the public gets to see?
What if this is her worst we have seen? Do you have any respect for her to let it go on? This is how the children's mother is seen by the public. Not good.

 

[mhsjax]

You do have to read between the lines. No person in their right mind would say anything negative about Kate, at least those on TV with her or working in the area of production on a show with her on it.

Example: I know of a film director, he had a horrible time with an actor. The actor himself(in an interview the I saw with my own eyes) admitted that he was a jerk (can't use the real word her used). Even after that the director when questioned, still would not bad mouth him, he did politely tap dance around how all artistic people have differences and different visions. Even after being told that the actor admitted he was a butt, the director still would not bad mouth the actor. It is career suicide even if it is true.

 

[DMRick]

It was so obvious to you, maybe because you dislike her so much. Or maybe it isn't to me, because I don't. I really don't know her enough to dislike or hate her the way some do.

I'm (and others) not seeing all the horrible things you are talking about that she is supposed to be doing. I don't see all these awful things you are seeing on DWTS. I know I'm not alone, because I do read comments on other boards. I see one face mde by her posted over and over in the pictures they took with her kids on Easter..but I don't see the smiling face that was also there posted. How many pictures do you think they took, to get the one bad face (and even that face, may have just been her yelling to one of the kids to hurry and find the egg)? On DWTS, she smiled and laughed often. You can see her in the background in the interviews, but do those who don't like her talk about that? No, just the grimace when the judges were saying how bad she was.

She has been defended. The article from the person that was posted here, that talked about her in the make up room. Among others, who have interviewed her, Paula Deen said she liked her. Steve's wife has said they are friends, and has had nice things to say about her. The wife of the person who did her kitchen is her friend. There are others. But that is never what is brought out and talked about over and over. Only when someone says something bad. Her church has decided to keep silent as have most of the parents in her kids school. It's something they decided to do. I'm glad, as that gives the kids some protection. She has mentioned one of her sisters on the view, and wore the jewelry she made. Maybe that sister doesn't want to end up in the spotlight.

It's been said by her that others stay away, because if they don't they become the next person chased down. I don't know if that is true, and if she is talking to them on the phone, the computer and texting. One of the other dancers said her and Kate text and talk all the time. There is just so much none of us know.

What if they have edited all these years of footage to make her look as "bad" as they can, and this is still what the public gets to see? Do you not think that keeping the 'bad' persona keeps the drama going and the people talking about her? I firmly believe that any publicity is considered good publicity, and I've never seen anyone talked about as much as Kate and Jon.

It was so obvious in the article that he was implying she is difficult beyond normal novice stuff. We can't be literal as adults or we will stay in a bunch of communication trouble! Everyone has to read between the lines and notice implications.
Isn't it interesting that still, nobody has come out to defend her? No sorority sister, no real sister, no friend, no church member, no former co-worker. Nobody.
If the edited TV show is not her real personality, why would we see it again on DWTS? Are both networks out to get her? Why would we hear about all the drama off camera?
What if they have edited all these years of footage to make her look as "good" as they can, and this is still what the public gets to see?
What if this is her worst we have seen? Do you have any respect for her to let it go on? This is how the children's mother is seen by the public. Not good.

 

[whitneyNC]

What if they have edited all these years of footage to make her look as "bad" as they can, and this is still what the public gets to see? Do you not think that keeping the 'bad' persona keeps the drama going and the people talking about her? I firmly believe that any publicity is considered good publicity, and I've never seen anyone talked about as much as Kate and Jon.

I think editing footage continually over a period of years to be an inaccurate, negative portrayal of oneself for the sake of money/publicity would be absolutely deplorable. Especially when there are kids involved.

Surely this is not the case. I hope what we have seen is actually what she is; even if it is somewhat abrasive and her choices are sometimes baffling.

 

[mhsjax]

It was so obvious to you, maybe because you dislike her so much. Or maybe it isn't to me, because I don't. I really don't know her enough to dislike or hate her the way some do.

I'm (and others) not seeing all the horrible things you are talking about that she is supposed to be doing. I don't see all these awful things you are seeing on DWTS. I know I'm not alone, because I do read comments on other boards. I see one face mde by her posted over and over in the pictures they took with her kids on Easter..but I don't see the smiling face that was also there posted. How many pictures do you think they took, to get the one bad face (and even that face, may have just been her yelling to one of the kids to hurry and find the egg)? On DWTS, she smiled and laughed often. You can see her in the background in the interviews, but do those who don't like her talk about that? No, just the grimace when the judges were saying how bad she was.

She has been defended. The article from the person that was posted here, that talked about her in the make up room. Among others, who have interviewed her, Paula Deen said she liked her. Steve's wife has said they are friends, and has had nice things to say about her. The wife of the person who did her kitchen is her friend. There are others. But that is never what is brought out and talked about over and over. Only when someone says something bad. Her church has decided to keep silent as have most of the parents in her kids school. It's something they decided to do. I'm glad, as that gives the kids some protection. She has mentioned one of her sisters on the view, and wore the jewelry she made. Maybe that sister doesn't want to end up in the spotlight.

It's been said by her that others stay away, because if they don't they become the next person chased down. I don't know if that is true, and if she is talking to them on the phone, the computer and texting. One of the other dancers said her and Kate text and talk all the time. There is just so much none of us know.

What if they have edited all these years of footage to make her look as "bad" as they can, and this is still what the public gets to see? Do you not think that keeping the 'bad' persona keeps the drama going and the people talking about her? I firmly believe that any publicity is considered good publicity, and I've never seen anyone talked about as much as Kate and Jon.

Let's say that you have a valid point. That she is edited to look bad. What kind of person would put up with that. Answer: a person like Kate, who wants to be n spotlight no matter what anyone thinks of her. What about the kids, don't you think that she would feel bad about looking that way and having everyone talk about her. Again, if this is true, not Kate, she wouldn't feel bad, because it is all about her.
And yes right now she may (in her mind) have to put up with it to support the kids in the way that they are accustomed to living, but it wasn't always that way, and it wasn't long after the series started that kate started looking like a wicked witch.

 

[mhsjax]

I think editing footage continually over a period of years to be an inaccurate, negative portrayal of oneself for the sake of money/publicity would be absolutely deplorable. Especially when there are kids involved.

Surely this is not the case. I hope what we have seen is actually what she is; even if it is somewhat abrasive and her choices are sometimes baffling.

wow posted at the same time, do we think alike or what. lol

 

[DMRick]

And that is why I asked if she has someone to advise her. It's been said that many think the Duggar's were much smarter. We never see the blanket training, disciplining, and I think that is on purpose. I think they are very smart. I don't think Jon and Kate were smart enough to have a contract that says they have a say in what is shown. I also think in Kate's mind, when she saw in the past, that when she yelled at Jon, it was a part of a whole. She was around (as Jon said) for the finish. We weren't.
I'm not saying that she edited it herself to be that way, but then I think you know that I was not saying that. I think they never had it put in their contracts that they would have a say.
Yes, she said those things to Jon, but I still believe TLC had a big part of making sure that was not on the cutting floor. I think TLC is starting to do the the same on LIttle People Big World..showing parts of arguments. I wish they would get out while they can. I think they'll be the next TLC divorce.

I think editing footage continually over a period of years to be an inaccurate, negative portrayal of oneself for the sake of money/publicity would be absolutely deplorable. Especially when there are kids involved.

Surely this is not the case. I hope what we have seen is actually what she is; even if it is somewhat abrasive and her choices are sometimes baffling.

 

[madge]

I assume once I read the book, I won't be happy with the private letters, if that's what they are, but I do wonder just who advises her. This publisher is known for publishing tasteful items..if these are so private, what were they thinking? What is their responsibility in this? Do they have any? I'm reading a wonderful book right now they published. They aren't known for publishing dirt.

heck, no! they publish Bibles! Zondervan is a well known Christian publishing house.

I just don't get it. I can't imagine who thought this was a good idea.

 

[mhsjax]

And that is why I asked if she has someone to advise her. It's been said that many think the Duggar's were much smarter. We never see the blanket training, disciplining, and I think that is on purpose. I think they are very smart. I don't think Jon and Kate were smart enough to have a contract that says they have a say in what is shown. I also think in Kate's mind, when she saw in the past, that when she yelled at Jon, it was a part of a whole. She was around (as Jon said) for the finish. We weren't.
I'm not saying that she edited it herself to be that way, but then I think you know that I was not saying that. I think they never had it put in their contracts that they would have a say.
Yes, she said those things to Jon, but I still believe TLC had a big part of making sure that was not on the cutting floor. I think TLC is starting to do the the same on LIttle People Big World..showing parts of arguments. I wish they would get out while they can. I think they'll be the next TLC divorce.

A little off subject here, but there is nothing wrong with blanket training. I used it with my kids. That is why IMHO the Duggars kids are better behaved than the Gosselins,

 

[madge]

She has been defended. The article from the person that was posted here, that talked about her in the make up room. Among others, who have interviewed her, Paula Deen said she liked her. Steve's wife has said they are friends, and has had nice things to say about her. The wife of the person who did her kitchen is her friend. There are others. But that is never what is brought out and talked about over and over. Only when someone says something bad. Her church has decided to keep silent as have most of the parents in her kids school. It's something they decided to do. I'm glad, as that gives the kids some protection. She has mentioned one of her sisters on the view, and wore the jewelry she made. Maybe that sister doesn't want to end up in the spotlight.

something must have happened between Kate & her sister, because early on .. when JK8 was getting more publicity, the sister asked Kate to wear some of her jewelry. Kate refused. It was on Kate's sister's Facebook or blog and has long since been removed. Since she mentioned her sister on The View, I hope that means they've reconciled their differences.

I'm sure Kate has friends. Friends we know about and friends we don't, that have been in her life through this roller coaster. I'm glad that most of the people involved with the show (friends or not) have kept their mouths shut, but I can't help but wonder what their thoughts are on all of this. She has gotten positive press from people on DWTS, although much of it doesn't end up here. And I believe she must have made a positive impact on Sherry on The View because she consistently defends Kate on DWTS. It's not all bad, all the time.

We see the bad, because the bad sells. We all know how that works.

But. Some of the bad is true, giving Kate a negative reputation. That makes it easy to assume the worst about her. Unfortunate? Maybe. But that's part of being in the public eye. At this point, she's in a no win situation... that's been said here before many times. As long as Kate seeks celebrity status, she's just going to have to deal with it.

 

[walden]

something must have happened between Kate & her sister, because early on .. when JK8 was getting more publicity, the sister asked Kate to wear some of her jewelry. Kate refused. It was on Kate's sister's Facebook or blog and has long since been removed. Since she mentioned her sister on The View, I hope that means they've reconciled their differences.

I'm sure Kate has friends. Friends we know about and friends we don't, that have been in her life through this roller coaster. I'm glad that most of the people involved with the show (friends or not) have kept their mouths shut, but I can't help but wonder what their thoughts are on all of this. She has gotten positive press from people on DWTS, although much of it doesn't end up here. And I believe she must have made a positive impact on Sherry on The View because she consistently defends Kate on DWTS. It's not all bad, all the time.

We see the bad, because the bad sells. We all know how that works.

But. Some of the bad is true, giving Kate a negative reputation. That makes it easy to assume the worst about her. Unfortunate? Maybe. But that's part of being in the public eye. At this point, she's in a no win situation... that's been said here before many times. As long as Kate seeks celebrity status, she's just going to have to deal with it.

Interestingly though, Kate's *friends* and family have kept solidly silent. Even when she has been pulled through the coals. Backwards. I have yet to see a supportive comment from Kate's sisters or parents.

But then, Kevin was at one point supportive. The only sibling that publicly supported her when her parents "did not know how to help" and her sisters were MIA. Well, Kevin is now history -- and has been cursed by fans for withdrawing support and vocally expressing his reservations on continued filming of the Gosselin kids..

I suppose I do not see this as loyalty, but as distancing. I guess other siblings did not want to be associated with Kate's trainwreck. but they do possibly want to maintain contact with her. Who knows?

There is a funny thing. Everyone must have moments where they behave badly. I certainly have had many moments that I regret. But then, I think that with a camera in my face, I would have faked nice -- and perhaps torn my partner apart later. In PRIVATE. Some dysfunctions are not for public view.

The 10 worst times of Kate were in front of the camera. I have not watched them again, but i'm sure they are bad. I have thought and discussed with my DH our worst regrets. We both agree that our 5 worst regrets over 30 years were not a quarter as bad as the Gosselin spats over 10 years. And none of our occasional spats were in front of a camera.

Fans of Kate want to focus on the so-called *reality.* I forget which reality star admitted this, but it has to do with editing. Roughly, do not blame editing. If you said and did destructive things, you said and did them. On film. For ever documented. You said them and did them, even if taken out of context.

Some of us try not to behave in a destructive manner. Ever. And are ashamed of lapses. Kate seems proud of her behavior, even when acknowledging it. Sigh.

To be honest, words just fail me on the previews of Kate's latest book. Those poor children are exploited again for her gain. Quite disgusting.

What was wrong with the cookbook. anyway? Did Zondervan not give her an advance on that?

 

[DMRick]

something must have happened between Kate & her sister, because early on .. when JK8 was getting more publicity, the sister asked Kate to wear some of her jewelry. Kate refused. It was on Kate's sister's Facebook or blog and has long since been removed. Since she mentioned her sister on The View, I hope that means they've reconciled their differences.

I'm sure Kate has friends. Friends we know about and friends we don't, that have been in her life through this roller coaster. I'm glad that most of the people involved with the show (friends or not) have kept their mouths shut, but I can't help but wonder what their thoughts are on all of this. She has gotten positive press from people on DWTS, although much of it doesn't end up here. And I believe she must have made a positive impact on Sherry on The View because she consistently defends Kate on DWTS. It's not all bad, all the time.

We see the bad, because the bad sells. We all know how that works.

But. Some of the bad is true, giving Kate a negative reputation. That makes it easy to assume the worst about her. Unfortunate? Maybe. But that's part of being in the public eye. At this point, she's in a no win situation... that's been said here before many times. As long as Kate seeks celebrity status, she's just going to have to deal with it.

Yep..to all you wrote. And she seems to. And I think that is another thing that just bugs people..that she just deals with it. I couldn't. I would have folded long ago.

 

[madge]

Yep..to all you wrote. And she seems to. And I think that is another thing that just bugs people..that she just deals with it. I couldn't. I would have folded long ago.

and to the people who like Kate? that's just another reason to like her .. she's resilient.

for those who don't, it just reiterates that Kate is driven, obsessed with the spotlight, and will do whatever it takes to make herself a celebrity.

perhaps she's both.

 

[DMRick]

But then, Kevin was at one point supportive. The only sibling that publicly supported her when her parents "did not know how to help" and her sisters were MIA. Well, Kevin is now history -- and has been cursed by fans for withdrawing support and vocally expressing his reservations on continued filming of the Gosselin kids..

If that had come about differently, and not right after payment for being on the show was turned down, I would have looked at him in a much different light. I still feel bad about Kate and Kevin. I think they were really close. I wonder if on both sides, they wish they could turn back the clock. I've always wondered if that really was what Kevin wanted to do, or was it the work of Jodi.

 

[mhsjax]

If that had come about differently, and not right after payment for being on the show was turned down, I would have looked at him in a much different light. I still feel bad about Kate and Kevin. I think they were really close. I wonder if on both sides, they wish they could turn back the clock. I've always wondered if that really was what Kevin wanted to do, or was it the work of Jodi.

Well maybe they were just filming Kevin in a bad light, Why is it you seem so quick to believe that bad about Kevin and Jodi, but not Kate. Just asking.

But lets say it it true, that Kevin and Jodi, or just Jodi wanted to get paid. Why do you not put any blame on Kate for not allowing them to get paid if that is wanted to do. I see a double standard here.

 

[Dee77]

I have one word to say about the whole Kate/Kevin/Jodi thing:



GUMGATE!!!

 

[kidshop]

and to the people who like Kate? that's just another reason to like her .. she's resilient.

for those who don't, it just reiterates that Kate is driven, obsessed with the spotlight, and will do whatever it takes to make herself a celebrity.

perhaps she's both.

On the backs of and at the expense of her children in many of her pursuits. Maybe Jon would do the same if he was allowed to be near the kids. Maybe the reason he is not profiting off of them is b/c he can't, not b/c he doesn't want to. But, for right now, he is not.

 

[madge]

more snippets from the book keep turning up... at this rate, no one will have to buy it. LOL

http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/b...you-to-know-guilt-trip-book-for-her-children/

 

[DMRick]

Well maybe they were just filming Kevin in a bad light, Why is it you seem so quick to believe that bad about Kevin and Jodi, but not Kate. Just asking.

But lets say it it true, that Kevin and Jodi, or just Jodi wanted to get paid. Why do you not put any blame on Kate for not allowing them to get paid if that is wanted to do. I see a double standard here.

I didn't say that I didn't blame Kate if she is the reason they didn't get paid. I said if he didn't have the break with her right after that happened I would have looked at it differently. Perhaps if he felt the kids were mistreated, he should have gone to the authorities. Maybe even before he was turned down for pay. So are you saying that it was ok that he talked about his sister like that, because Kate would not allow them to be paid? And so it's her fault..that he wouldn't have done it if Kate had just ok'd he get paid? Why would he have wanted to be on the show for or without pay, if things were as bad as he said?

In fact, I think way back when it was talked about, I had no problem with them being paid. I don't see your point? I'm talking about how he went about talking about Kate. It was an interview..he talked, I heard him (and Jodi). I have no idea if it was a bad light or a good light. He was live on one of the morning shows. I don't think they edited that.