Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

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Well, like I said, I just saw a headline...it's nice though that he thinks if they got paid it would have been OK to expose them to pedophiles:confused3

I really don't think he meant it like that, I think that he meant at least they should have been compensated for the way they were treated and worked. Maybe he really didn't think about the pedophiles until later, who knows what the man is thinking.
 
Well, like I said, I just saw a headline...it's nice though that he thinks if they got paid it would have been OK to expose them to pedophiles:confused3

I really don't think that is what he meant. Jon is not a smart person, and it sounds like he has been reading blogs. To me it more along the lines he is realizing or someone is telling him what to say....that he sold his kids to TLC and they didn't get paid. The blogs have discussed forever that these kids have been filmed in various stages of undress and in questionable situations, along with the fact that we know every little detail of their lives (courtesty of TLC) making them targets for pedophiles. That is why most people would not put their kids on tv and subject them to what the 8 have been subject to.

Why he is so stupid not to have seen this before now or cared before now is anyone's guess. could be money drived or could be that he does see what lots of us have seen for years.

He does not express himself well. He is mad, maybe at himself for what he did to the kids and, no they have not been paid.
 
I do not think he is mad at himself for "what he did to the kids" since he still parades the kids in front of the paparazzi for photo ops.
 

I do not think he is mad at himself for "what he did to the kids" since he still parades the kids in front of the paparazzi for photo ops.

I assume that the tabloid people are still following them, and posting pics. But is Jon still parading them around? I haven't checked the so sugary site or seen any of the shows like Entertainment Tonight in about a week, so he's still doing that? Really? Ugh.
 
I really don't think that is what he meant. Jon is not a smart person, and it sounds like he has been reading blogs. To me it more along the lines he is realizing or someone is telling him what to say....that he sold his kids to TLC and they didn't get paid. The blogs have discussed forever that these kids have been filmed in various stages of undress and in questionable situations, along with the fact that we know every little detail of their lives (courtesty of TLC) making them targets for pedophiles. That is why most people would not put their kids on tv and subject them to what the 8 have been subject to.

Why he is so stupid not to have seen this before now or cared before now is anyone's guess. could be money drived or could be that he does see what lots of us have seen for years.

He does not express himself well. He is mad, maybe at himself for what he did to the kids and, no they have not been paid.

This has always been a problem for him which is why I think his career options are limited -- he can't do the scripted monologue or answers like Kate does (even though IMO she seem pretty fake when she's doing it, she does stick to the talking points)

And this version I can agree with. Maybe it's like a lot of things -- you can't see the problems until you're outside the situation. It's not like they were sitcom actors ie. half a year on, half a year off. They were immersed in the reality show year round.

And if he is reading the blogs, I wonder how long it will take him to get around to reading this thread. :rolleyes1
 
I really don't think that is what he meant. Jon is not a smart person, and it sounds like he has been reading blogs. To me it more along the lines he is realizing or someone is telling him what to say....that he sold his kids to TLC and they didn't get paid. The blogs have discussed forever that these kids have been filmed in various stages of undress and in questionable situations, along with the fact that we know every little detail of their lives (courtesty of TLC) making them targets for pedophiles. That is why most people would not put their kids on tv and subject them to what the 8 have been subject to.

Why he is so stupid not to have seen this before now or cared before now is anyone's guess. could be money drived or could be that he does see what lots of us have seen for years.

He does not express himself well. He is mad, maybe at himself for what he did to the kids and, no they have not been paid.

I agree. The tabloids are jumping on that statement because it sounds shocking when taken at face value. But anyone who has been paying attention knows that Jon does not express himself well at all. He has a key point in his head, but the words are just all wrong. If he had two brain cells to rub together, it should have come out like this:

"In hindsight, I feel as though I was naive in trusting TLC. I feel as though I allowed them to exploit my family and my children, exposing them to the world and put on display for all including those who prey on children. At the time, Kate felt it would be a fun way for us to provide more for our children and I wanted her to be happy. Now I realize the compensation for having my family so rawly exposed was entirely inadequate."

It is sort of obvious that Kate was right when she said that Jon listen to whomever is next to him at the time. When he was next to her she was saying "we are not exploiting our children, they are having fun, they love the crew, hey wanna go to Hawaii?" and now his lawyer is trying to rile him up and saying "hey! duh? you put your kids out there on display and you got peanuts, and they got nothing." So he is just reguritating whatever he heard last from whomever is next to him. He just doesn't know how to talk.
 
I agree. The tabloids are jumping on that statement because it sounds shocking when taken at face value. But anyone who has been paying attention knows that Jon does not express himself well at all. He has a key point in his head, but the words are just all wrong. If he had two brain cells to rub together, it should have come out like this:

"In hindsight, I feel as though I was naive in trusting TLC. I feel as though I allowed them to exploit my family and my children, exposing them to the world and put on display for all including those who prey on children. At the time, Kate felt it would be a fun way for us to provide more for our children and I wanted her to be happy. Now I realize the compensation for having my family so rawly exposed was entirely inadequate."

It is sort of obvious that Kate was right when she said that Jon listen to whomever is next to him at the time. When he was next to her she was saying "we are not exploiting our children, they are having fun, they love the crew, hey wanna go to Hawaii?" and now his lawyer is trying to rile him up and saying "hey! duh? you put your kids out there on display and you got peanuts, and they got nothing." So he is just reguritating whatever he heard last from whomever is next to him. He just doesn't know how to talk.

Loved you post :worship:

And it sounds soooo much better the way you said it -- yup, I can see a parent thinking that following the rude awakening.

I can't believe how few posts there are these days -- it's like coming back to a ghost town :confused3 I guess we're all just waiting for the court dates.
 
I agree with you all. I do not think Jon was saying he put his kids out there for pedophiles and go little to no money for it. It is like he put the comma in the wrong place type of thing...it just came out wrong and people jumped on it. While I think both of them have used the children for gain in one way or another, I have no doubt that Jon and Kate love those children and Jon would never put his kids out there for all the molesters of the world. That thought is just absurd...even for him and for her. No way.
 
This is a sad read if you haven't seen it yet:

"The Life and Death of Jon & Kate"

http://www.tv.com/the-life-and-death-of-jon-and-kate/story/19757.html?tag=news_hub_stories

:guilty:

That was a well-written article. Here it is in its entirety for those who haven't seen it:

It's finally over. The long national cuddlefest turned nightmare Jon & Kate Plus 8, a reality show about a cutesy Pennsylvania couple and their enormous and unruly brood of eight, came to a bitter and depressing close last night. As I'm sure we're all aware, Jon and Kate Gosselin were unable to keep their marriage afloat under the weight of fame and cameras and lights—Kate became controlling and overly-ambitious, Jon regressed into bloated college partyboy mode. And the kids, I guess, just became collateral damage. Sweet, sweet highly profitable collateral damage. Let's take a look back at the era that was. What did we learn from it? What does the failure of the Gosselin family say about us?

Well, hopefully it doesn't say anything about us, about your or me, but I think the whole media experiment has deftly proven one small, almost too-simple fact: reality shows are bad for people. Fame is bad for people. Watching these nice folks, normal but for having a little too much fun at the fertility clinic, start a show because America was fascinated by their story and the fledgling family needed a lotta cash to pay for twins and a newborn litter of sextuplets, that was one thing. The beginnings, I believe, truly were humble and kid-focused and squarely practical. And it was mutually beneficial. They had diaper money, while TLC had a big feel-good hit on their hands. But what do you do when something's a hit? Yep, you work it even harder, squeeze until there's no juice left in the withering grapefruit these two country rubes used to a call a life.

And you could watch the change, watch as all the promos and Good Morning America appearances and pretend-books and travel and free hotel stays started to curdle and spread in the two adults' brains—it was like watching something slowly rot, an eerily real-time transformation from human to reality-TV-forged, fame-hungry monster. Kate got the plastic surgery done and then the hair—that dazzling architectural flourish of hair, something steep and swooped like a metal bird's wing in the front, spiked and almost zany in the back. She's trying to look fashionable, we thought sadly. And we wondered why someone from TLC, someone with an actual sense of style, didn't pull her aside and say "Kate, no..."

Jon grew bigger and seemed more and more petulant about the shackles keeping him from his newly-flashy existence, never really addressing the fact that those very shackles were the reason he had the flashy existence to begin with. Two people were profiting, hugely, off of their children, and the more they got, the more they wanted. Kate kicked beloved family members off the show when they started to ask for money, fearing that whatever TLC paid them would cut into her portion. Rumors that Kate wanted to go bigger, have her own talk show maybe, began to swirl and she soon became known as a harpy fame-grubber, a desperate peasant who saw a glimpse of court life through the kitchen door one day and decided that she wanted in, and that she'd do anything—barter her children for whatever they were worth—to sink her claws into it. And yet, the kids were still cute!

But then even they, especially the older twins, started to cloy to the camera, they struck poses and mugged and set up scenes like tiny pros. And you started to wonder when this thing would end, you started hoping it would end very soon, for these precarious kids' sakes. Surely J & K had stashed away enough money to pay for necessities and, someday, college at this point. But of course it wasn't up to us or the children, it was up to TLC and Jon and Kate and they kept barreling on. They kept trudging and shoving even when some ****ty tabloid caught Jon stumbling out of a bar in Harrisburg with some suspicious floozy girl, Jon with a bleary look of resignation on his face. He'd been caught red-faced and trouble was coming, but also he kind of liked it. Both he and his hardening wife started to pose, just so, for the increasing flood of paparazzi that arrived when rumors of marital instability were smeared all over newstands. There was a certain bend of the neck, a certain slight tilt of the head. They liked to look wary of the cameras, but always quietly and reverently addressed them. They were paying homage to their secret god.

Though they weren't very good at keeping it a secret.

Suddenly a hit family show had turned into a souring media circus, it became a delve into the sad seediness of public lives, lives offered up to the TV immortals for a chance at some notoriety and cash. We owned Jon and Kate and even their eight, you see. We'd made them, we'd given them all they had, and as we can giveth, we can also taketh away. They were our little dolls to play with and, oddly enough, they actually seemed to enjoy it. Jon was seen with new diamond stud earrings and spiky hair and Ed Hardy shirts, glowering in a nightclub fist-pumper simmer. Kate got her hair Flowbee'd and mangled into an even more ostentatious design, she went and did many individual TV appearances, she wept and sighed and moaned about how tough everything was and then, like the carnival just packing up one day, it was gone. Rolled outta town. The marriage was over, everyone was sick of the story, the show's ratings had plummeted since the separation (sparked by the cheating allegations). Everything was done.

Of course in true Gosselin fashion they tried to drag the thing out as long as they could. There was a brief spell when it looked like Kate would continue on without Jon, as he was off being a hound with his wife's plastic surgeon's daughter, sea lioning around a Manhattan condo, getting in contract and money spats with TLC. But in the end everyone but Kate knew that that show, about a sad single woman who flew too close to the sun and her eight aging children, wouldn't really play. So it got the axe and that brings us to last night when we watched with weary abandon as ol' fattening Jon talked about growing up and feeling free and kinda reclaiming his 20s. We sighed as Kate teared up and sort of plead, like Emily Webb to her ghostly escorts, to go back. Kate wanted the whole thing back, didn't understand why it had to end. And you could see it in her eyes, could catch that quick flare of dread. She knows it's over for good, that there won't really be a talk show (a pilot was filmed, but I doubt it wil go anywhere), that there won't be any more soft-focus sitdowns with sensitive lady reporters from various network morning shows. No more freebies to New York or Hawaii. That's in the past now.

I'm sure we'll get some updates about the little ones and about Kate's hangdog life. I doubt we'll see much of Jon, until of course he's desperate for more money and decides to do some horrifically degrading new reality show. There was a rumor about something with Michael Lohan. So, you know, that kind of thing. And there it is. Michael Lohan and a dust-gathering cable talk show pilot. The sextuplets are just five years old, and look how far their parents have come!

Look at what an invasive job TV and camera glare have done on this family. The fall of the house of Gosselin stings more sadly than other reality show disasters because, more than most people with their own TV shows, Jon & Kate didn't do anything, industry-wise, prior to this. Not a darn thing. They just sort of had a baby adventure, some cameras showed up, and that became life. As if the cameras had been waiting all along, might be waiting all along for all of us. We just have to find that one thing, that one hook. A creature named Nadya Suleman saw this and followed suit, in even more grotesque fashion, squeezing fourteen kids out into this world over the period of a few short years. Jon and Kate gave birth to so much, but most of all they bore into the world some strange cold strain of reality TV idealism that tells us we can be famous simply for the wonder of our own biology, that talent really is over.

And now, grimly, so are Jon and Kate. Over hard. Two people got greedy and tunnel visioned. Jon who treated two of his mommy-loyal daughters just terribly last night. Kate who wept not for her children, but for her own sour needs. Two people who were given everything for a brief time and then came to expect it always. I'm not sure I can really blame them for that, though we certainly can tsk tsk them for whoring out their own children once they got a taste of fame—of what it feels like to burst out of Central Pee-Ay nothingness.

I hope they enjoy returning to that milieu. And I hope the kids will be OK. I'm fascinated to see who they all grow up to be.

Though I kind of hope, for their sake, that we never find out.
 
Great article. Totally spot on about the whole situation.
 
Very well written article...after reading it I could almost see us all silently walking away...saddened by the outcome...but hopefully refocusing on our own lives and leaving the Gosselins to the silence of their own privacy...that is until some tabloid starts waving a check and they try to suck us back in...only time will tell
 
Hey everyone! Things have been busy with life in general and working on budgets at work so I haven't been able to check in like I did previously! Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!!

JMO, however, in the early days Jon & Kate begged for money and love offerings to support themselves. They shopped at the Salvation Army. Fast forward and thanks to TLC and sponsors, they were still asking for love offerings but getting trips and freebies to promote products. Nothing wrong with that unless the viewers think a family of 10 plus paid staff going skiing in Utah, followed by trips to California and Hawaii, followed by mother and daughter flying cross country for a spa day realistic, things changed.

How old were the kids when Discovery Health came along? They did two specials with Discovery Health correct and that's when TLC got invloved - after the positive response to the specials? If I thought there were only going to be a couple of specials and people were asking me to come speak and offering love offerings, you're darn right I would take them if it meant providing for my kids. I honestly don't think in the beginning that TLC or the G's knew how big this would get and they did probably get paid very little in the beginning but still needed the additional support. I'd like to think that with a pay increase and free products and everything else that I'd still shop the way I do (I can attest that I do with a recent promotion and DH's promotion coming up in July - I still cut coupons, use no credit cards, shop sales, ect) but I honestly don't know. I was very poor growing up and am terrified of being poor again and not being able to provide for my kids so that's always in my mind - being able to provide for them.

If someone "behind the scenes" from TLC or their management company or whoever, set it up that they had to charge x amount to speak somewhere, that's how it had to be. I'm sure TLC or the group that booked them (they worked through an agency right???) got a portion of everything and I'm sure they had to pay taxes on all of the donations and income so that money's going right back out at tax time (I would assume! I'm certainly not anywhere close to their tax bracket!) :rotfl:

Personally, I do not think TLC paid them enough money for the show, so I find it silly to go on and on about "freebies." I think of it as compensation.

I agree! :thumbsup2 Some days I would like compensation for getting my kids out of the house in the morning and I only have two!

call it anything-pay, compensation, 'love offerings'....it was substantial enough to facilitate the purchasing of an over one million dollar home without the selling of the prior home, several cars, multiple 'non liquid' bank accounts reportedly in the hundreds of thousands, and allow for a woman who is crying over not being able to meet her family's basic monthly expenses to move forward with plans to purchase a diamond ring.

anyone whose basic monthly expenses are $15,000, and has been able to not only meet these expenses but make additional high end purchases as well as save significantly has been compensated/paid/love gifted generously by any reasonable standards.

I don't know that I believe the G's purchased their home all on their own. I really think TLC or someone else had a hand in purchasing that house - and I'm curious to see how that's going to play out with the divorce proceedings.

As for the vehicle purchases, Kate purchased an SUV correct and Jon purchased then returned then leased something right?? So that's a vehicle each - something they would both need if they're splitting up.

Kate didn't say she was running out to buy a ring when she was talking about the missing money. She said she'd talked to the kids about a new ring to replace the wedding band because it had meant a lot to the kids for her to have a ring on.

I would hope they were smart enough to save along the way....

I'm not sure about the kids. I think, when it's all said and done... and the lawsuits are over ... that TLC did not do right by the Gosselin family, by what they were paid and how they conducted themselves with regards to permits, etc. I think that anything that's done with the Gosselins will be with Kate, and occasionally we'll see the children.

I agree about TLC :thumbsup2 I would love to see a show with Kate with the kids on occassion or like a yearly update or something like that.

Isn't reality shows the cheapest anyway? I mean they aren't actors so why should they be paid an actors salary???

JMO...but I think I'd take $22,500 per episode and NEVER complain about that.

Have to say - if they were only working like 12 hours/week, I'd take that too. Then add on the freebies and trips and everything else, it could make me quit my job and stay home with the kiddos. I don't think, with as much traveling as the G's did, you could have a "normal" job - they were always gone doing something. No one I know has that much vacation time from work!

So when TLC shows Jon as a jerk, its because of editing but when they show Kate as a jerk, its because she is one? And why is it only Kate who "cashes in" on her kids? Didn't Jon sign up to do the show too? Didn't he appear on The Insider and other pap shows to talk/show his kids?

:thumbsup2

Speaking of money. This info is from the Lancaster paper:

Note to the Gosselins: Pay your bills.

The Mount Joy Township Authority has placed a lien on an Elizabethtown home that Jon and Kate Gosselin used to live in and still own.

The lien is for an unpaid water tapping fee of $2,691.75, plus fees and interest.

The Gosselins bought the home, at 2190 Andrew Ave., in March 2006 for $280,000. They left it two years later, moving to a $1.12 million home in Wernersville, Berks County.

The Gosselins have not sold the five-bedroom, two-and-a-half-bath brick Cape Cod home in Elizabethtown. It's on the market for $299,900.

The Gosselins starred in the reality TV show, "Jon & Kate Plus 8," which featured their twins, born in 2000, and sextuplets, born in 2004. The couple recently went through a public breakup, ending the show.

The unpaid fee is for a mandatory connection to public water lines for the house, which has a well, said Mount Joy Township Authority administrator Eric Metzler. The Gosselins have not paid the fee or been hooked up to those lines.

Metzler said the lien was placed because the Gosselins had received three or four notices that they needed to pay the fee but did not meet the mandatory deadline

Think this might be why they can't sell their home? Wouldn't it be a "con" when looking at a house that it's not connected to the city water system and you're still using a well? It also seems silly that they wouldn't pay it - maybe they thought the house would have sold by now and the new owner would pay the fee??

I can't believe how few posts there are these days -- it's like coming back to a ghost town :confused3 I guess we're all just waiting for the court dates.

I agree! I thought I would find pages and pages and pages to have to get through. Thanks for not giving me all that! :goodvibes
 
PAGE 5!!! Well maybe that is a good thing as things settle down in the WORLD'S of J&K!!!

:wave2: Howdy all. Have not posted for sometime but jumping on here to ask a question....are Jon & Hailey no longer a couple....:confused:

Last night I was watching TMZ and they were interviewing Jon on the streets of Washington DC. Unlike most celeb's that TMZ interviews (as they run for the hills), Jon was actually SADLY just hanging there on the sidewalk as TMZ asked him how his Thanksgiving was and he said good...etc etc. Jon mentioned looking forward to getting home to see the kids. But as TMZ even stated, Jon WANTED to hang there with them and talk. ODD. I will say watching this clip last night....Jon appeared to be a "lost soul". I think his 15 minutes are so up. ::yes::
 
Hey everyone! Things have been busy with life in general and working on budgets at work so I haven't been able to check in like I did previously! Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!!



How old were the kids when Discovery Health came along? They did two specials with Discovery Health correct and that's when TLC got invloved - after the positive response to the specials? If I thought there were only going to be a couple of specials and people were asking me to come speak and offering love offerings, you're darn right I would take them if it meant providing for my kids. I honestly don't think in the beginning that TLC or the G's knew how big this would get and they did probably get paid very little in the beginning but still needed the additional support. I'd like to think that with a pay increase and free products and everything else that I'd still shop the way I do (I can attest that I do with a recent promotion and DH's promotion coming up in July - I still cut coupons, use no credit cards, shop sales, ect) but I honestly don't know. I was very poor growing up and am terrified of being poor again and not being able to provide for my kids so that's always in my mind - being able to provide for them.

If someone "behind the scenes" from TLC or their management company or whoever, set it up that they had to charge x amount to speak somewhere, that's how it had to be. I'm sure TLC or the group that booked them (they worked through an agency right???) got a portion of everything and I'm sure they had to pay taxes on all of the donations and income so that money's going right back out at tax time (I would assume! I'm certainly not anywhere close to their tax bracket!) :rotfl:



I agree! :thumbsup2 Some days I would like compensation for getting my kids out of the house in the morning and I only have two!



I don't know that I believe the G's purchased their home all on their own. I really think TLC or someone else had a hand in purchasing that house - and I'm curious to see how that's going to play out with the divorce proceedings.

As for the vehicle purchases, Kate purchased an SUV correct and Jon purchased then returned then leased something right?? So that's a vehicle each - something they would both need if they're splitting up.

Kate didn't say she was running out to buy a ring when she was talking about the missing money. She said she'd talked to the kids about a new ring to replace the wedding band because it had meant a lot to the kids for her to have a ring on.

I would hope they were smart enough to save along the way....



I agree about TLC :thumbsup2 I would love to see a show with Kate with the kids on occassion or like a yearly update or something like that.



Have to say - if they were only working like 12 hours/week, I'd take that too. Then add on the freebies and trips and everything else, it could make me quit my job and stay home with the kiddos. I don't think, with as much traveling as the G's did, you could have a "normal" job - they were always gone doing something. No one I know has that much vacation time from work!



:thumbsup2



Think this might be why they can't sell their home? Wouldn't it be a "con" when looking at a house that it's not connected to the city water system and you're still using a well? It also seems silly that they wouldn't pay it - maybe they thought the house would have sold by now and the new owner would pay the fee??



I agree! I thought I would find pages and pages and pages to have to get through. Thanks for not giving me all that! :goodvibes



what child in the world gives a rat's patookie if their mom is wearing a ring or not? the only way a ring worn by a mom would hold any importance in a child's mind is if mom has somehow built up in their mind's that the ring is symbolic of something, and the absence of her wearing it has a negative connotation.

i can see (though i don't nesc. agree) with a young child getting the symbolism behind a wedding ring, and that it's worn by mom and or dad to symbolize their marriage, but if the marriage has ended what's the message of the new ring? i sure hope it's not supposed to be some kind of symbol of kate's committment to the kids, because in my mind-the only symbol of committment to one's children is being committed to ones children through your words, actions and parenting.
 
I the combination of the show ending and Tiger Woods' drama have kept the Gosselins off of the front page of tabloids recently.

Michael Lohan gave his deposition this week, and Kate is one of Barbara Walters' most fascinating people of 2009. That's pretty much all there is these days.

Missing the old thread ... I feel like I'm going through DISboards withdrawal :upsidedow
 
what child in the world gives a rat's patookie if their mom is wearing a ring or not? the only way a ring worn by a mom would hold any importance in a child's mind is if mom has somehow built up in their mind's that the ring is symbolic of something, and the absence of her wearing it has a negative connotation.

i can see (though i don't nesc. agree) with a young child getting the symbolism behind a wedding ring, and that it's worn by mom and or dad to symbolize their marriage, but if the marriage has ended what's the message of the new ring? i sure hope it's not supposed to be some kind of symbol of kate's committment to the kids, because in my mind-the only symbol of committment to one's children is being committed to ones children through your words, actions and parenting.

ITA with this -- especially wrt the 5 y.o.'s. I think it's just a "poor me" talking point that she and her publicists came up with.
 
Gosselin's who are the Gosselin's!

I think their 15 min and some are definately over. Looks like the "p" people are all in Orlando pursuing Tiger Woods. Unless Kate can get someone to sponsor a trip for her and the kids to Disney or Universal, looks like the holidays will be spent in snowy PA.
 
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