Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[barkley]

if the kids are sobbing i suspect it's because of the loss of the relationships they had with the production staff.

when you come down to it that staff has been (sadly imho) the most consistent and reliable relationships they've had in their young lives. they've been around as long as the little ones can remember, been there as other friends and family exited (or were shut out depending on what you believe) of their lives, been there when mom traveled, been there when dad traveled, been there when both parents traveled together sans kids, been there before, during and after all the different nannies and caretakers, been there during mom's custodial time, for a period of time were there during dad's custodial time, shared every birthday, holiday, special occasion with them-but moreso were there consistently during all the times they can remember.

divorce is difficult enough on a child, i cannot fathom what it would be like to have your entire "reality" taken away from you-as screwed up, staged and unnatural a reality as it may have been-as kate said so many times 'the show is our life, our life is the show'-for those kids the production staff and filming was much more than a neighborhood friend or a relative that you might miss upon moving but know that they are still accessable by phone or e-mail or even occasional visits. they can't maintain those relationships.

 

[MAKmom]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6572249/

What kind of show could they possibly be planning? " I Need a Job"? Kate goes around trying out different jobs until she finds one she's good at???

I love the idea of this show it will be so funny. She is so OCD

Why should she see a dime from Jon, she is the one who was making the money and Jon was staying home with the kids, when he wasn't running around that is.

I know it was their agreement, and I have no problem with that, I was just stating that Kate shouldn't expect any money from him because he wasn't the bread winner, she was.

Exactly, it was their choice, I am agreeing with you, but I stand by what I say, because she was the bread winner, why should she expect to get anything from Jon. I was making a comment to the pp who said she had better get a job because she won't get anything out of Jon. She isn't used to Jon making the money, so she like to work and wanted it that way, so she should get a job and therefore won't have to rely on Jon.

I'm not sure you understand how child support works. Even if he stayed home for a short time while she toured he still has to help support his children.

She will be the primary care giver to the children according to the reports on arbitration so far.

He will be making payments of support for the children unless she agreed he would not have to. There is a formula that is used by domestic relations.

BTW they both were working on the show at that time so they both were working.

In PA there is no such thing as court ordered alimony for anyone after a divorce.

She could get the house until the kids are 18.

 

[DMRick]

i cannot fathom what it would be like to have your entire "reality" taken away from you-as screwed up, staged and unnatural a reality as it may have been-as kate said so many times 'the show is our life, our life is the show'-for those kids the production staff and filming was much more than a neighborhood friend or a relative that you might miss upon moving but know that they are still accessable by phone or e-mail or even occasional visits. they can't maintain those relationships.

You're right..it's prob even harder for them than I originally said. So many changes for them, and even though the changes are really good in the long run, for the kids, it has to be very hard.

 

[MAKmom]

I'm back We've had a bunch of real life drama around here -- some good, some sad -- nothing bad in our immediate family but it has been sooooo distracting and I have just felt Bleck! about everything for the past few days.



Yup, I wondered about that too -- I guess TLC is still paying his salary?



Yeah, kids cry when you take their candy away too, but they're better off. I'm sure they're also happier for a lot of reasons too.

But there is something really wrong about this -- they need counseling big time.



Me too. I'm happy for them that they get to have Christmas -- not a Christmas show filmed in October. That alone should make the holidays more exciting for them ie. they get to enjoy it the same way as their school friends are doing.





Exactly.



Yeah, it looks like she's parting it in the middle?

I clicked on the photos in the link -- the ones with the kids at the playground. I've never actually seen kids in a playground without any smiles, but here's the proof that that is possible. It's funny how the kids were kept in the "compound" until after the show ended -- now they're paraded out in public to play? I'm wondering where the bodyguard was that day ie. he was there to stop a news station from filming Kate serving food in a restaurant, but nobody is there to protect the kids' privacy while they're playing? This makes no sense to me

Please explain how you would protect the kids privacy at the park

 

[mhsjax]

I love the idea of this show it will be so funny. She is so OCD







I'm not sure you understand how child support works. Even if he stayed home for a short time while she toured he still has to help support his children.

She will be the primary care giver to the children according to the reports on arbitration so far.

He will be making payments of support for the children unless she agreed he would not have to. There is a formula that is used by domestic relations.

BTW they both were working on the show at that time so they both were working.

In PA there is no such thing as court ordered alimony for anyone after a divorce.

She could get the house until the kids are 18.

OMG, I am so tired of explaining this. I am NOT talking about legal issues. I was responding to a pp that said she had better work because she shouldn't expect anything from Jon since it looks as though he is lazy(which I agree with) (my words not the pp) and also Kate knew before she married him. Anyway, I was simply stating that it wouldn't be a big deal for her, she was the one doing most of the work outside the home while he stayed there with the kids. Yes I know they were filming so they BOTH worked, but I am talking about working outside of the home. Kate seems to be able to take care of herself so I think she will be fine. (don't confuse that last statement and think that I actually like Kate, because I can't stand either one of them and I think they deserve what they are getting. NOt the kids, just them)

 

[newtodis]

Thanks guys for the PM's and the encouragement.

I would be curious enough to watch a show by Kate. In fact I'm hoping she gets something that will help her support her children and something she enjoys. If Jon gets something that is decent, I will be happy for him as well.

As for Kate and her bodyguard..I'm still holding out hope that he recognizes that this is a job, and that he and his wife are and will remain together. He is good with J & K's kids, and I hope that remains so..I sure want someone who is around them a lot, to be kind to them. I could never fault him for caring about the kids he's been around so much.

I miss seeing the kids, but I hope that things are going well for them, now that they are out of the eye of the camera's and paps.

I hope they have a wonderful Christmas and that they truly find peace amongst their entire family..isn't that what most of us wish for them?

I too would watch a show with Kate on it - at least for a couple of episodes.

I would think they're all part of an "extended" family now and it's more like "brother and sister" and maybe they won't date. Time will tell.

I miss watching the kids too especially this time of year. I love seeing the excitement kiddos have around the holidays.

Totally agree - I hope they have an awesome Christmas together.

So you guys do not think that Jon should give any sort of money in child support?

I would hope that they'd work it out and not need a court order or anything else like that. They're your kids and your responsibility. I do think both should help. Jon's commented many times in the past that he could never divorce Kate because he couldn't afford it so I'm sure that's always been on his mind and maybe why he stayed so long if he wasn't happy.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/12/exclusive-kate-gosselin-films-her-new-tv-show

Kate's hair looks weird (not trying to be mean, its just looks different but kind of like the old style ).. I haven't seen Mady look happy like that in awhile. I hope that means they are all happy and doing well since the show ended!

I'm not lonving Kate's hair there either. Is she trying to grow it out?? I saw two people Saturday with a Kate do that didn't work for them at all. It was terrible....

I think the kids have been happy - it's all in what's gonna sell the story. You can't say the kids hate filming if you've got pictures of them smiling ear to ear. Now that the filming's stopped, they (I would assume Jon's camp or maybe TLC wanting us to think the kids are happy with Kate) showed the picture of happy kiddo...They could have easly cropped Mady out of the picture and just shown Kate.

I assume the kids miss the camera crew, since they were around them so much. Prob the kids saw them much as someone would see a relative or close friend that spends a lot of time with them. They prob do miss them, and I would expect nothing less. Kids are resilient however, and I expect they'll move on and remember those times fondly. It seemed those were good times for the kids and in the begining at least for their family. It would be a lot of speculation to indicate the kids need any type of help, because they miss people (even to the point of crying..perhaps that even happened when Jodi and Kevin were no longer in their lives) that had been with them over 3 years. Much like when someone moves from a neighborhood and misses their friends, or perhaps a grandparent that lived near that they saw often.

I totally agree! They've been through so many changes in the last year - moving, starting school, divorce, stopping the show, ect. It's a lot to process when it's just one of those things let alone an entire list. I'm sure the kids had relationships with each of the staff members. Hopefully they're making new friends at school and are able to see the friends/family they've had in their lives.

I'm back We've had a bunch of real life drama around here -- some good, some sad -- nothing bad in our immediate family but it has been sooooo distracting and I have just felt Bleck! about everything for the past few days.

Yup, I wondered about that too -- I guess TLC is still paying his salary?

Yeah, kids cry when you take their candy away too, but they're better off. I'm sure they're also happier for a lot of reasons too. But there is something really wrong about this -- they need counseling big time.

I clicked on the photos in the link -- the ones with the kids at the playground. I've never actually seen kids in a playground without any smiles, but here's the proof that that is possible. It's funny how the kids were kept in the "compound" until after the show ended -- now they're paraded out in public to play? I'm wondering where the bodyguard was that day ie. he was there to stop a news station from filming Kate serving food in a restaurant, but nobody is there to protect the kids' privacy while they're playing? This makes no sense to me

So glad you're back. Hope everything's ok!

I don't know how any of that works. If TLC is working with Kate on another show, is everything from this show (the "support") continuing? TLC paid for several things relating to the house correct (like lawn care and stuff right?)?

I would hope they're talking to someone. I would think the school has a social worker or therapist or someone and would be talking with them if the parents are taking that on and taking the kids to speak with someone or having someone come in to speak with them.

I didn't click on that link but there's so much you can "read into" with pictures - we've all done it on these threads. Kate could have just yelled at them - maybe that's why they're not smiling. My kids aren't always grinning from ear to ear when we're playing either. As for not leaving the house, that was a huge complaint - that the kids were never home when they were doing the show. It's another loose/loose situation for them. Anything could have been cropped out of the pictures. Kate could have had 7 friends there helping her (1 per kid) and it didn't "sell" part of the story so they weren't shown. I would like to think that if Kate felt they weren't safe somewhere she is taking some kind of security with her.

if the kids are sobbing i suspect it's because of the loss of the relationships they had with the production staff.

when you come down to it that staff has been (sadly imho) the most consistent and reliable relationships they've had in their young lives. they've been around as long as the little ones can remember, been there as other friends and family exited (or were shut out depending on what you believe) of their lives, been there when mom traveled, been there when dad traveled, been there when both parents traveled together sans kids, been there before, during and after all the different nannies and caretakers, been there during mom's custodial time, for a period of time were there during dad's custodial time, shared every birthday, holiday, special occasion with them-but moreso were there consistently during all the times they can remember.

divorce is difficult enough on a child, i cannot fathom what it would be like to have your entire "reality" taken away from you-as screwed up, staged and unnatural a reality as it may have been-as kate said so many times 'the show is our life, our life is the show'-for those kids the production staff and filming was much more than a neighborhood friend or a relative that you might miss upon moving but know that they are still accessable by phone or e-mail or even occasional visits. they can't maintain those relationships.

Good post! I totally agree!

 

[madge]

divorce is difficult enough on a child, i cannot fathom what it would be like to have your entire "reality" taken away from you-as screwed up, staged and unnatural a reality as it may have been-as kate said so many times 'the show is our life, our life is the show'-for those kids the production staff and filming was much more than a neighborhood friend or a relative that you might miss upon moving but know that they are still accessable by phone or e-mail or even occasional visits. they can't maintain those relationships.

I can't imagine how difficult this whole thing has been on the children. A traditional/normal/regular (take your pick on which word, LOL) divorce is hard enough. Having it play out on TV and in the media? I can't imagine And taking away those relationships, ugh.

I just wish Kate would keep it private.

 

[newtodis]

I can't imagine how difficult this whole thing has been on the children. A traditional/normal/regular (take your pick on which word, LOL) divorce is hard enough. Having it play out on TV and in the media? I can't imagine And taking away those relationships, ugh.

I just wish Kate would keep it private.

I'm amazed at how "private" things have been honestly as of late. I haven't seen them all over the magazines or tv rag mag shows in a while. The only interview Kate's done is this thing with Barbara Walters right and says that the kids were upset (sobbing I think is the word she used) when she told them the show was done. She could have shared so much more really about everything that's happened since they stopped filming (and maybe she did and it was edited out - I have no idea!). I agree she shouldn't be sharing every little detail but sharing the kids were upset with they were told the show was finished doesn't seem that terrible to me. Kate very well could still be being told (I would assume TLC's still paying for her "people") to drop in some things about the kids. I think we all know Kate (and so many others!) could sit and talk all about themselves for the entire interview. We also need to remember (it's been pointed out here so many times) that Kate wouldn't be "famous" without the kids - why would she not mention how they reacted to such "life changing" news for the family?

Now I think things will change this week and next once Jon's trial with TLC starts up and questions are getting asked and have to be answered honestly in court. Then I think things will pick up again with things being "admitted" during depositions and stuff like that. I wonder if Kate will attend any of it either in support of Jon or TLC or anything like that...

 

[madge]

Now I think things will change this week and next once Jon's trial with TLC starts up and questions are getting asked and have to be answered honestly in court. Then I think things will pick up again with things being "admitted" during depositions and stuff like that. I wonder if Kate will attend any of it either in support of Jon or TLC or anything like that...

some of the depositions have already happened -- Michael Lohan and Hailey Glassman have talked to RadarOnline about it.

 

[talulabelle]

Maybe the people buying it, have no clue who the Gosselins are.


I can't believe Steve is still Kate's Bodyguard.
I've said it a couple of times-they will be a couple as soon as the divorce is over.
She complained way to loudly how she won't date anyone, and who wants to be involved with that many kids.
I'm betting when the truth comes out, she will say, how, Steve loves her kids, bla, bla bla, her situation, bla, bla,bla, they didn't want it to happen.

I TOTALLY agree! I have a brother that this happened to and Steves wife needs to open up her eyes. Same exact situation. His wife worked for the same boss for about 13 years. They were always close, probably closer than a boss and employee should be, but he had a great wife, and we all didn't think much about it. In the last 5 years or so...things started just getting weird. He started doing things like picking her up for work so they could drive together. Of course they travel alot together. My brother wasn't likeing it, and felt uncomfortable about the way the boss looked at her, but he didn't know what to do. These two sort of hid their relationship by acting like the families were so close, that it was nothing unnatural. She would have him and wife for dinner. He would stop by on Saturdays to see the kids. He started coming to ALL of the kids baseball games on Sat. Acting like the grandfatherly type (he is MUCH older than my sister-in-law)that was enjoying watching the kids grow up. All the while patting my brother on the back and acting all palsie with him. What they were doing was putting him in to the kids lives to the degree that when they both finally left their spouses, my brother kids already loved him and were ok with him as a stepfather. Sick. Sick stuff.

This is why it is just inappropriate to have certain types of relationships out of the workplace. It isn't professional or right to have your boss or employee in your families life. It's just not. He needs to go home at the end of a work day and have a seperate life from Kate and her family. Not have holidays and days off together too.

I can totally see Kate doing this. Just putting Steve in her kids lives even at holidays and things even if it means brings his wife and family over. This way when he finally leaves his wife, her kids will already know the step brothers and sisters and know their mom. It is all just a waiting game. Slyly placing people in each others lives waiting and planning for her future. Just wait. This is what is up.

 

[walden]

I'm back We've had a bunch of real life drama around here -- some good, some sad -- nothing bad in our immediate family but it has been sooooo distracting and I have just felt Bleck! about everything for the past few days.

I hope everything is Ok now. I've not been here for a while myself and am relieved at how few pages there are to catch up on!

I clicked on the photos in the link -- the ones with the kids at the playground. I've never actually seen kids in a playground without any smiles, but here's the proof that that is possible. It's funny how the kids were kept in the "compound" until after the show ended -- now they're paraded out in public to play? I'm wondering where the bodyguard was that day ie. he was there to stop a news station from filming Kate serving food in a restaurant, but nobody is there to protect the kids' privacy while they're playing? This makes no sense to me

That's odd, I just assumed the man in the green vest that Kate was talking to was a bodyguard-type, and that Steve had the day off! There were also two women who looked like nannies. One holding hands with the kids as they crossed the road and another helping one of the boys on the climbing frame.

[/B]
Please explain how you would protect the kids privacy at the park

I think privacy for the children has been a moot issue for quite a while. At the moment, and until media interest dies down, they will probably be photographed when they are in public by any passerby with a cell phone.

These pictures may have be taken by an approved Radar Online photographer for all we know, but the nannies/handlers/helpers and a bodyguard probably are still needed to keep papparazzi and the public at a safe distance from the children, especially in a public park.

I can't imagine how difficult this whole thing has been on the children. A traditional/normal/regular (take your pick on which word, LOL) divorce is hard enough. Having it play out on TV and in the media? I can't imagine And taking away those relationships, ugh.

I just wish Kate would keep it private.

Agreed. I think she and Jon should stop talking about the children's reactions to both the divorce and to the end of filming. That is something that really should be kept private. A simple statement along the lines of, "We are doing our best to make the transition easier for them" would be best.

 

[redrosesix]

[/B]
Please explain how you would protect the kids privacy at the park

It just always blows me away that nobody ever walks up to the paparazzi and tells them to lay off -- like one of the mothers did at the bus stop. It really wouldn't be that hard to put them in their place. I know if somebody was taking pictures of my kid I'd have something to say about it.

OMG, I am so tired of explaining this. I am NOT talking about legal issues. I was responding to a pp that said she had better work because she shouldn't expect anything from Jon since it looks as though he is lazy(which I agree with) (my words not the pp) and also Kate knew before she married him. Anyway, I was simply stating that it wouldn't be a big deal for her, she was the one doing most of the work outside the home while he stayed there with the kids. Yes I know they were filming so they BOTH worked, but I am talking about working outside of the home. Kate seems to be able to take care of herself so I think she will be fine. (don't confuse that last statement and think that I actually like Kate, because I can't stand either one of them and I think they deserve what they are getting. NOt the kids, just them)

I get it -- I don't think Kate should expect a dime from Jon, even though she has asked for temporary support. If anybody gets any money from Jon it will be the kids and there are no reports that he hasn't been paying his portion of their expenses.

So glad you're back. Hope everything's ok!

Thanks

Everything is fine with me and my family, but there have been a lot of things happening around us -- just really sad stuff. Somebody I know (not well) is in a really bad spot in his life. But once I found out about it, I was stuck between whether I should intervene and whether I should stay out of it for fear of causing even more harm. Yes, I knew him well enough to say "Hi. How are you?" but not enough to see that he was going through a particularly traumatic event. And then I got into this soul-searching about whether all the times I asked somebody "how are you?" did I really want to know? -- I think I mean it, but then again I don't really want to know EVERYTHING about EVERYBODY. Some of it is TMI, just like the show was for me. But then again, there are lots of people who felt that way and that's probably why the situation got to where it did.

It's just a lot of stuff like that, which is weird because we're fine -- I guess if you're not having trouble you go looking for it.

The saddest event was a little autistic boy who ran off after his dog -- he was lost in the woods for 2 days and died a few hours after they found him. One of my best friends also has a son that is autistic, not much older than the boy, and he also has a habit of running off. She's having a really hard time with this, since she knew the family through different programs they were both involved in. But then again, everybody in our province is weeping over this one.

 

[DMRick]

It just always blows me away that nobody ever walks up to the paparazzi and tells them to lay off -- like one of the mothers did at the bus stop. It really wouldn't be that hard to put them in their place. I know if somebody was taking pictures of my kid I'd have something to say about it.

I think the paps know there is nothing they can do to stop them, if they aren't breaking the law.

The saddest event was a little autistic boy who ran off after his dog -- he was lost in the woods for 2 days and died a few hours after they found him. One of my best friends also has a son that is autistic, not much older than the boy, and he also has a habit of running off. She's having a really hard time with this, since she knew the family through different programs they were both involved in. But then again, everybody in our province is weeping over this one.

I'm sorry to hear this..so very sad. I can imagine everyone that has the potential to have that happen are really on their guard. I can't imagine anything worse than losing a child.

 

[pweyl36]

I would think that feeding and clothing 8 children would cost a lot of money. I would *hope* that Jon is going to step up to the plate and pitch in with that. But if not, someone has to feed them, that is what I was saying. Since he thinks nothing of draining the account to buy things for his girlfriends, if I were Kate, i would be doing whatever I could to be able to provide for my family on my own without having to rely on the loser ex-husband.

Maybe they should ask the family from table for 12. they raise all 10 kids on dads salary. And guess what, the mom stays home and washes clothes,cooks,cleans and take care of a handicapp child and takes them places too. with no nanny or body guards. (now thats a real mom)

 

[MAKmom]

It just always blows me away that nobody ever walks up to the paparazzi and tells them to lay off -- like one of the mothers did at the bus stop. It really wouldn't be that hard to put them in their place. I know if somebody was taking pictures of my kid I'd have something to say about it.



I get it -- I don't think Kate should expect a dime from Jon, even though she has asked for temporary support. If anybody gets any money from Jon it will be the kids and there are no reports that he hasn't been paying his portion of their expenses.



Thanks

Everything is fine with me and my family, but there have been a lot of things happening around us -- just really sad stuff. Somebody I know (not well) is in a really bad spot in his life. But once I found out about it, I was stuck between whether I should intervene and whether I should stay out of it for fear of causing even more harm. Yes, I knew him well enough to say "Hi. How are you?" but not enough to see that he was going through a particularly traumatic event. And then I got into this soul-searching about whether all the times I asked somebody "how are you?" did I really want to know? -- I think I mean it, but then again I don't really want to know EVERYTHING about EVERYBODY. Some of it is TMI, just like the show was for me. But then again, there are lots of people who felt that way and that's probably why the situation got to where it did.

It's just a lot of stuff like that, which is weird because we're fine -- I guess if you're not having trouble you go looking for it.

The saddest event was a little autistic boy who ran off after his dog -- he was lost in the woods for 2 days and died a few hours after they found him. One of my best friends also has a son that is autistic, not much older than the boy, and he also has a habit of running off. She's having a really hard time with this, since she knew the family through different programs they were both involved in. But then again, everybody in our province is weeping over this one.

If Kate did that on her own the P would love it. She did agree on the ferry last summer to let them take photos if they left her alone after.

I would be a crazy person.

Maybe they should ask the family from table for 12. they raise all 10 kids on dads salary. And guess what, the mom stays home and washes clothes,cooks,cleans and take care of a handicapp child and takes them places too. with no nanny or body guards. (now thats a real mom)

Well they are doing a TV show for money

We have no idea if it is real. We learned that from J & K + 8.

They have a production team there when they film.

They could have a "babysitter" or even a cleaning service that comes in

 

[Debbie]

The saddest event was a little autistic boy who ran off after his dog -- he was lost in the woods for 2 days and died a few hours after they found him. One of my best friends also has a son that is autistic, not much older than the boy, and he also has a habit of running off. She's having a really hard time with this, since she knew the family through different programs they were both involved in. But then again, everybody in our province is weeping over this one.

redrosesix, everyone in the country is grieving for that family. I know that the prayers were/are going out to them at our school.

Back to J+K, I miss the kids, but I didn't watch many of the last shows. And, yep, I'd watch a couple of show with Kate to get a feel for them.

 

[mhsjax]

If Kate did that on her own the P would love it. She did agree on the ferry last summer to let them take photos if they left her alone after.

I would be a crazy person.




Well they are doing a TV show for money

We have no idea if it is real. We learned that from J & K + 8.

They have a production team there when they film.

They could have a "babysitter" or even a cleaning service that comes in

True, they are doing a tv show, but at least they made it longer on their own than Kate did. I think she set out form the beginning to do this, at least that is what alot of reports are saying. On Table for 12 a lot of these kids are older so at least they have done it for some time like normal people.

 

[redrosesix]

If Kate did that on her own the P would love it. She did agree on the ferry last summer to let them take photos if they left her alone after.

I would be a crazy person.




Well they are doing a TV show for money

We have no idea if it is real. We learned that from J & K + 8.

They have a production team there when they film.

They could have a "babysitter" or even a cleaning service that comes in

I'd be pretty crazy too. I really wonder how marketable the videos or pictures would be of a mom trying to keep strangers from taking shots of her kids playing -- I'd think those paparazzi would soon find greener pastures. They left Debbie Rohe alone pretty quickly after MJ's death and her being recorded on camera begging them to go away.

And I agree -- we learned a lot about reality TV from knowing what went on behind the scenes of J & K. The only other TLC show that I watch is Cake Boss, and I know he can actually decorate cakes. I find it hard to believe most of the shows they do now.

 

[LoraJ]

I'd be pretty crazy too. I really wonder how marketable the videos or pictures would be of a mom trying to keep strangers from taking shots of her kids playing -- I'd think those paparazzi would soon find greener pastures. They left Debbie Rohe alone pretty quickly after MJ's death and her being recorded on camera begging them to go away.

And I agree -- we learned a lot about reality TV from knowing what went on behind the scenes of J & K. The only other TLC show that I watch is Cake Boss, and I know he can actually decorate cakes. I find it hard to believe most of the shows they do now.

I love Cake Boss, but that stuff is all staged. The nephew that was on that one time that wouldn't shut up...well last time I was at the bakery he was manning the door and did not seem obnoxious like he acted on the show.

 

[MAKmom]

True, they are doing a tv show, but at least they made it longer on their own than Kate did. I think she set out form the beginning to do this, at least that is what alot of reports are saying. On Table for 12 a lot of these kids are older so at least they have done it for some time like normal people.

I think J & K set out to do the show after they had the 6 but I do not think she was an "Octomom"

I have only seen table of 12 once I think....last year. They have a few set of twins?