Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[madge]

You can't leave us hanging...dish!

Whoopi mentioned that Jon and Kate are spending Christmas together. ALL the ladies groaned. Comments were made about it being part of getting the show back on the air, would the cameras be there, etc. Not nice. Then they launched into a discussion about the possibility of it being confusing for the children, which led to a non-Gosselin generalized conversation.

But the comments initially? Not kind.

 

[DMRick]

I never believe it was anything but what TLC wanted us to see. I understand what you are saying now. But those are just words. None of the shows are actual. It's all for money. As long as they are considered reality shows, many will think that's what they are. I always assumed that what Kate meant is, they didn't cut out the 'bad' parts (although apparently they did some of them LOL). Didn't try to make her look nice, didn't try to make the kids perfect (no hitting!).

I haven't been to a speech Amy has given, so I have no idea what she says about the show. They are seldom on anything with interviews, although I bet they will be soon, if they keep portraying them like they are.

Kate has said over and over (ad nauseum) that their show is the realest reality show out there ... and now the promos for next week are "see what really happened in the spring"?!

The Roloffs have never made that claim, though. They haven't made it part of their back story that their show is the realest reality. So it can be what it is, and TLC can do whatever they want.

To me, it's always been a conflict for Kate to say it's really reality and then TLC turns it into not the reality. With that said, I have always been aware of the editing, I never bought into the real reality deal. But others did and have. All those people who really believe that the cameras are simply following them around.

 

[madge]

Oh, was it 11 at night? I didn't realize that. Gosh, I assumed the kids were in school. I wonder if Kate just zoomed in the room with the kids there and tossed him out. That might change how I feel about her tossing him out.

it was 11:00pm, according to what I read.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Whoopi mentioned that Jon and Kate are spending Christmas together. ALL the ladies groaned. Comments were made about it being part of getting the show back on the air, would the cameras be there, etc. Not nice. Then they launched into a discussion about the possibility of it being confusing for the children, which led to a non-Gosselin generalized conversation.

But the comments initially? Not kind.

I don't understand why it is an issue. Divorced families where the parents are ABLE to make a go at parenting together by going to events for the kids together and not bickering over things like the twins' birthday--it's great when they are able to make it work.

(we have a divorced couple whose dd is in my girls' dance class and they are frequently coming together. From what little they say it is evident they have no desire to be married but are great friends especially when it comes to their dd.)

I'm not putting any credence into Jon and Kate's abilities, but I think it is more confusing for young children to wonder why one parent is absent.

This show is toast. They can have all the reunions they want, but this show is D-O-N-E. So done, it's a burnt marshmallow. S'mores anyone?

 

[madge]

I never believe it was anything but what TLC wanted us to see. I understand what you are saying now. But those are just words. None of the shows are actual. It's all for money. As long as they are considered reality shows, many will think that's what they are. I always assumed that what Kate meant is, they didn't cut out the 'bad' parts (although apparently they did some of them LOL). Didn't try to make her look nice, didn't try to make the kids perfect (no hitting!).

Generally speaking, I think most people that read blogs and message boards understand what the reality is... and would agree with much of what you're saying.

But. There are many people who don't read a thing outside of the show and think it's just the cameras following them to Hawaii, the Phillies game, Sesame Place, etc. They'd be surprised to learn that it's all been scheduled and planned, and in some cases, scripted. They'd be surprised to know that it isn't the realest reality that Kate has talked about all these seasons.

While "realest reality" may be just words, they're words that have made Kate very popular with some of her fans.

 

[madge]

I don't understand why it is an issue.

in this case? It's The View. They needed a hot topic. LOL.

The conversation about whether or not it was good for the children quickly (really, very quickly) turned to what Sherri did with her son the first year they were separated and then it became generalized from there.

All the snark was just at the beginning. No love for Kate from her former co-hosts, for sure. It was all equal opportunity. LOL

 

[WaltD4Me]

Whoopi mentioned that Jon and Kate are spending Christmas together. ALL the ladies groaned. Comments were made about it being part of getting the show back on the air, would the cameras be there, etc. Not nice. Then they launched into a discussion about the possibility of it being confusing for the children, which led to a non-Gosselin generalized conversation.

But the comments initially? Not kind.

I used to love The View, especially when Whoopi came on, but I don't watch it at all anymore. It has just become so mean spirited and preachy. Not just about Jon and Kate. They have become so condesending it's no fun to watch anymore.

If Jon and Kate can pull off Christmas together for the kids, I think that's great. I have serious doubts about them being able to do it, but if they could, good for them.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

If Jon and Kate can pull off Christmas together for the kids, I think that's great. I have serious doubts about them being able to do it, but if they could, good for them.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Some of you were discussing consignment stores the other day and whether or not Kate still does that. It appears that she does:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/kate-gosselin-runs-errands-tans

 

[AlienBrain]

Kate has said over and over (ad nauseum) that their show is the realest reality show out there ... and now the promos for next week are "see what really happened in the spring"?!

The Roloffs have never made that claim, though. They haven't made it part of their back story that their show is the realest reality. So it can be what it is, and TLC can do whatever they want.

To me, it's always been a conflict for Kate to say it's really reality and then TLC turns it into not the reality. With that said, I have always been aware of the editing, I never bought into the real reality deal. But others did and have. All those people who really believe that the cameras are simply following them around.

I agree. Jon and Kate tried too hard to make their show "real." If you watch an episode of J&K+8 and then watch an episode of LPBW or Table for 12, it's like two totally different worlds. The LPWB and Table for 12 shows remind me so much more of what my life was like growing up. The parents are never trying to prove something. Kate is always trying to prove something on each of the episodes.

She is always saying things like:

"I've made a commitment to try out new things and not chicken out..."

"I feed my kids only organic food ..."

"I want my kids to have a much better life than I had .. (awww poor Kate)"

"I'm doing this for the children"

and the list goes on...

J&K+8 transformed from a typical TLC reality show into an MTV reality show over night.

 

[DMRick]

it was 11:00pm, according to what I read.

I wonder why he was there at 11 PM on Kate's day, and why Kate was just discovering him. Can you post the link where he talks about that? This is strange. It must have been very interesting when she found him there. I hope the kids weren't involved in his 'kicking' out.

Although, you know, if Kate was found there on his watch, people would have been aghast LOL and said Kate was using the kids etc etc LOL!
With it being him, it will prob be more, gee, he was tired, he was prob reading to the kids, she should have shared the custody day, because obviously the kids needed him, at least he goes the kids rooms, etc.

 

[C.Ann]

I know that people can change, but when someone honestly believes they have done nothing wrong and that everyone around them is an idiot who requires their guidance, what on earth would prompt them to improve their behavior? .

Nothing.. Many people have this type of personality - we all know at least a few, but in Kate's case, I think she has taken it "almost" to the highest level that I have ever seen..

Nope. She can say it all she wants but until her behavior actually changes to reflect the words, she isn't sorry! There are still current reports of how she treats people, nearly the same as she treated Jon. When she displays graciousness, empathy and kindness IRL, not for a filmed bit, then I will believe she is sorry.

Didn't she excuse all her meltdowns by saying she was tired or stressed (she does have 8 kids), or it was just a loud mike? But Jon, who had ONE mean comment to her...well that was a sign of things to come? Why wasn't he excused b/c he was tired or stressed?

I think we have established to the best of our ability, that this Jon is the one she married. She tried to make him into what she wanted and it didn't take. And no, she hasn't changed, and I don't expect her to ever change either.

I agree.. However, Jon certainly isn't doing anything to improve this "new" image of himself right now either.. He's acting like a caged animal who has finally been set free.. Not unusual - considering how controlled he was by Kate, but certainly not in his best interest either..

Interesting article - be sure to read the comments underneath it.. Looks like TLC is shooting themselves in the foot - creating a pretty bad reputation for themselves..

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/11/tlcs_table_for_12_a_nice_break.html

 

[DMRick]

I agree. Jon and Kate tried too hard to make their show "real." If you watch an episode of J&K+8 and then watch an episode of LPBW or Table for 12, it's like two totally different worlds.

Keep watching..J & K started out just like these shows. It's all about what TLC wants the shows to be. We used to think K & J was real too.

 

[live4christp1]

Slightly off topic but I've been meaning to ask this. Has anyone else noticed the spoof of Jon & Kate on the insurance commercial?

 

[DMRick]

I know that people can change, but when someone honestly believes they have done nothing wrong and that everyone around them is an idiot who requires their guidance, what on earth would prompt them to improve their behavior? I don't know Kate and cannot say for certain this describes her, but the two people in my life who remind me of Kate are very much like this.

For me, the big difference is, you actually know these people. You know that they honestly believe they have done nothing wrong and believe everyone around them are idiots. Kate has said she has done wrong. She's admitted it. We can accept it or tear it apart.
We really don't know K & J. We only see what the rag mags and TLC want us to see, and a glimpse of an edited interview here and there. I just have a problem judging someone I don't really know, so I guess that's why I'll give both of them the benefit of the doubt on what is reported. We seldom see an entire version.

I hope it really works out for them and the kids, sharing Christmas. As for the View..if Kate were on next week, they would be fawning all over her, and sympathizing with her. Just like the rag mags, they talk about what they think people want to hear. It's that kind of show. Other than watching twice when Kate was on, I don't watch it. It has no redeeming qualities for me.

 

[AlienBrain]

Keep watching..J & K started out just like these shows. It's all about what TLC wants the shows to be. We used to think K & J was real too.

True. But LPBW has been on the air longer than J&K.

I expect Table for 12 to change like J&K though, but hopefully minus any marital problems. I would hate to see that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Keep watching..J & K started out just like these shows. It's all about what TLC wants the shows to be. We used to think K & J was real too.

Yep--it should be noted that Table for 12 certainly has had staged opportunities...especially on their first episode with all the Ragu Jars they used to make the spaghetti for an embedded commercial (that was turned into a sponsorship spot to be played during commercials).

I had heard they did a vacation already (not sure where) and they did a "mini-episode" where they all got to go see Astro-Boy (I think that was the film) in a theater...JUST THEM.

So they are already doing J&K-esque things. Perhaps they just have nicer personalities, but the show was already doing those things from the very first episode.

*******

Then let's talk about the supposedly debt-free Roloffs. I have no inkling of their finances, but I recall a time or two it being said that Matt TRIES to use cash to do what he does on the farm including the home remodel.

Then we've got sponsorship drops galore (anytime they have work done or make a purchase, it is a big deal and done and aired nearly in the fashion it was when my parents did This Old House--where when you can see the name CLEARLY and it is dropped several times, that vendor is a sponsor of the show).

Then there is all their trips---which is so funny how antsy Matt was with the Riverboat trip and being away from the farm. But the family had done several trips prior to that. Seemed weird to me.

Anyway, the cruises, the private boat rentals in the islands, the camping trip. I know they do the Little People Conventions Anyway and had done so for years, but I would bet my bottom dollar that those other fancy trips were not typical Roloff trips of the past.

Then there was teh home renovation. They had gotten to a point--and the house stayed at that point for a couple of years and then they spent a season finishing Matt's dream--with lots of sponsorship drops.


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Okay--I am not saying that to berate either family on those two shows. But let us not pretend that we are seeing REAL TV and that they are inherently any different than the Gosselins.

The G's got more b/c their show was a ratings bonanza and that provides the network more income to do more things.

But comparitively--Table for 12 and LPBW are seeing many benefits that they would not have received as an ordinary family off of the cameras.

This is not a BAD thing. But let's not kid ourselves that they are nothing like J&K+8. They are being groomed the same way. It just so happens that the parents on the show seem to be a bit more grounded in terms of being human and not consumed with super started as *Cough* Jon and Kate.

 

[MAKmom]

True. But LPBW has been on the air longer than J&K.

I expect Table for 12 to change like J&K though, but hopefully minus any marital problems. I would hate to see that.

LPBW has only been on the air since 2006. Jon & Kate have been filming since the tups were babys.

I thought I heard they are having problems too.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

LPBW has only been on the air since 2006. Jon & Kate have been filming since the tups were babys.

They have, but those were specials. The series was after LPBW. I think court docs said 2007, didn't they?

Don't remember.

 

[madge]

I wonder why he was there at 11 PM on Kate's day, and why Kate was just discovering him. Can you post the link where he talks about that? This is strange. It must have been very interesting when she found him there. I hope the kids weren't involved in his 'kicking' out.

I don't know that it was her turn. This article doesn't say.

Former "Jon and Kate Plus 8" star Jon Gosselin was reportedly thrown out of his own house over the weekend. Jon told "The Insider" during Tuesday night's episode that at about 11:00 p.m. Kate showed up and apparently started to "throw [his] luggage at the door." Among the contents were Jon's clothing and his laptop.

As expected, Jon was just a little bit upset over the altercation. "I pay the morgage...I don't come here and throw you out." Jon and Kate's relationship has soured over the past several months, even to the point where they have already have had one court battle over funds taken out of their joint bank account. The two have still yet to finalize their divorce, but Kate is (for now) spending more time with the kids at their Pennsylvania home.

If there was any silver lining in Jon's "Insider" interview, it was that he revealed that he is now apparently able to see his eight children on Thanksgiving Day. On the other hand, he still has an upcoming lawsuit with TLC over violating his "Jon and Kate Plus 8" contract. Jon has apparently decided to file a $5 million countersuit, but is still looking for someone to represent him in the state of Maryland.

http://www.examiner.com/x-11363-Dal...-Jon-Gosselin-has-breakdown-with-Kate-at-home

(it's from www.examiner.com ... but I saw other sources talking about the show yesterday, can't find them today. LOL)