Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

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I was just calling you on the table for an absurd observation.

And not believing in Santa appears nowhere in any description of narcissism.

You can have the opinion that she's a narcissist--there is much that points to it.

Failure to enjoy the "magic of Santa" doesn't even come close at all.

The thing is--you don't have to get it at all.

That's what makes the world go around. Everyone is different.

Okay, you win. I give up. I never thought not believing in Santa makes you a narcissist. I said it is the reasons she gave that seem so self centered. I realize that I don't have to "get" her being intimidated by competition with Santa; this doesn't make it any clearer or less self serving imo. No, I don't think she is the only person on earth to not want to give the big guy any Christmas credit. I still think it's a bit of a self centered reason for his image and legend to be shunned.
You all have fun. :thumbsup2
By the way, which topic on this thread is really any of our business?:confused:
 
i wonder if kate (and tlc and whomever else is in her corner) did'nt take a page from debbie reynolds and her p.r. machine in handling this whole situation.

when eddie fisher hooked up with elizabeth taylor the whole world was treated to debbie reynolds being portrayed as the poor, betrayed wife-left at home to support the children while eddie and liz lived a wild life. eddie fisher was drug through the mud to the extent it pretty much ruined his career.

decades later it was revealed that fisher and reynolds had been living a sham marriage for a LONG time, and that it was only by virtue of an unplanned additional child AND pressure (including financial) from their studios that wanted to continue cashing in on their 'perfect all american couple/family' schtick that they had carried on the charade as long as they did. both had outside the marriage relationships but when fisher's with liz taylor could'nt escape the media finding out the studios decided to cut their losses and salvage what they could-so they opted to go with debbie reynolds and make her look the absolute innocent party.

now eddie fisher was no winner, and jon's got his issues-but i don't think it would be far fetched at all to believe it is as jon has said from day one, that the marriage was essentialy over but kate and tlc wanted to continue marketing it and the family so it continued for a period of time-jon might have even agreed to it, but when he got caught bar hopping and hanging out with women other than his wife tlc decided to try and salvage the franchise by bolstering kate's image and completly trashing jon's (though he does help them quite a bit). the timing of the divorce, the people article (obviously done ahead of kate's supposed decision to file but held for release), the softening of kate's image and more episodes that flatter her in the 'mother/protector' role-it's just too scripted.


It could not be much of a sham if they had that unplanned child.
 

it didn't come out of nowhere for me, although it may have seemed like it. This morning, I had enough. I turned on The Today Show, and there Kate was... the same Kate Gosselin who repeatedly said she wanted to handle things privately, focus on the children, etc... crying about her life ON NATIONAL TELEVISION. If she truly, honestly meant that she wanted to handle this privately, then that's what she should do. However, it isn't very good for someone who wants to have a career in TV to stay out of the public eye at the height of their exposure.

I'm looking forward to recaps (from both sides) of tonight's show. I'm watching DWTS and the baseball game. I'd rather be watching Two and a Half Men, followed by Big Bang Theory, but I don't have the remote. LOL

Sorry, but it's much the same as all of the other interviews. No surprises really, except that she admitted that the marriage was over some time last year. The parts I did see didn't make me feel any better about the whole situation and definitely didn't make me sympathize with her. Definitely not enough to keep me from watching something else.

I have to admit I didn't most of it. I did have the remote, and I was concentrating more on the national news -- we're having issues with the H1N1 vaccination program -- it's a mess up here. :scared1::scared1::scared1:

I also have to admit that when I did watch, I couldn't stop looking at the back of Kate's head. I can't remember seeing it so much, and if I thought her hair-do was kind of funny before, now I think it's downright bizarre.
 
1. Didn't you know that families cannot have any hired help whatsoever. It means you are a bad parent.:rotfl:

2. Pets snatched away--I think they got the pets under false pretenses and when things are rocky, it's never a good idea to adopt a living being as likely it will get ditched when stress gets too high. I don't blame them for returning the dogs--but they weren't under the best of circumstances to be adopting in the first place.

3. I spied---lots. And funny enough, I got in trouble with my mom everytime. But I was trying to prove my case of why I needed to be listened to in my efforts to get visitation reduced. Without the spying and "proof"--I would have had to endure much more suffering. Finally my senior year of high school--I didn't have to visit. But it took many years of spying and reporting to get to 0 days. Pathetic on my part, but I was miserable and being placed in a very hostile situation that I wanted no part of.

I share it as an example that children can and do come up with ideas of that nature on their own. Reasons for spying will vary.

Calling the other parent when you are uncomfortable is not "spying". I did that to. I called collect so that no evidence would appear on the phone bill.


:hug: You poor thing.

I also do not understand why people get annoyed with the hired help. It is a GOOD thing to give people jobs.
 
[/B]I also do not understand why people get annoyed with the hired help. It is a GOOD thing to give people jobs.

The only thing that bothers me about the help is that Kate & Jon went on TV and talked on their show NUMEROUS time about how they do it all alone. They are just a normal family doing it ALL ALONE. All alone, just doing it all alone.

Why lie?:confused3 Just say what everyone knows, having a lot of kids is hard, we need help. It's just like the "we'll never have a Nanny" comment...
 
Well - that was interesting.. Still trying to digest what I heard.. I will say that I thought Kate looked very attractive tonight - more so than usual - especially when they weren't showing the back or the top of her hair..

She spoke very well and I think her PR people did a good job of preparing her..

The rest? Still mulling it over in my mind.. Hmmmm...
 
The only thing that bothers me about the help is that Kate & Jon went on TV and talked on their show NUMEROUS time about how they do it all alone. They are just a normal family doing it ALL ALONE. All alone, just doing it all alone.

Why lie?:confused3 Just say what everyone knows, having a lot of kids is hard, we need help. It's just like the "we'll never have a Nanny" comment...

But wasn't that years ago. The reality changed. It's kind of like picking on that they drank Juicey Juice that is only all natural, not organic.

They don't do the movie star thing with each kid having a full time nanny but everyone uses babysitters. Now that they are not living together they have to have more help.

Is it a lie or did things change?
 
I'm willing to bet that Kate doesn't get nearly as much flack for this as Jon did when he got a speeding ticket -- even though the kids weren't in the car with him when he got caught.

That's just the way it goes. :confused3

I'm a speeder I can't say anything about it.
 
But wasn't that years ago. The reality changed. It's kind of like picking on that they drank Juicey Juice that is only all natural, not organic.

they still drink the Juicy Juice. I suspect they have so much stocked up that the Gosselin grandchildren will be drinking it. :lmao:

They don't do the movie star thing with each kid having a full time nanny but everyone uses babysitters. Now that they are not living together they have to have more help.

Is it a lie or did things change?

they've always had help ... but I don't think they've always had a full time nanny. Not sure when that position was started.
 
But wasn't that years ago. The reality changed. It's kind of like picking on that they drank Juicey Juice that is only all natural, not organic.

They don't do the movie star thing with each kid having a full time nanny but everyone uses babysitters. Now that they are not living together they have to have more help.

Is it a lie or did things change?


They have had help all along. This is not something new. I read an interview with Kate when the show first started that stated they had between 20-30 volunteers a week helping them. People doing the laundry, ironing, folding, putting away. They even showed that on the show. So while they were saying they were doing it all alone they actually had help (volunteer) at the time.

For me, it's not just one thing. It's all the little things that add up.

The we're doing it all alone, we are all organic, we will never have a Nanny, I cook dinner every night...the list goes on and on.
 
They have had help all along. This is not something new. I read an interview with Kate when the show first started that stated they had between 20-30 volunteers a week helping them. People doing the laundry, ironing, folding, putting away. They even showed that on the show. So while they were saying they were doing it all alone they actually had help (volunteer) at the time.

For me, it's not just one thing. It's all the little things that add up.

The we're doing it all alone, we are all organic, we will never have a Nanny, I cook dinner every night...the list goes on and on.

I think Kate admitted to Ellen, that they try to eat as much organic food as they can, especially meat and vegetables. But she said it is very hard. So at least she changed her toon to "all organic"
and now just says, "as much as possible".

I watched the show this evening,
the thing that bothered me the most:
she sort of gasped and said, "how can I go back and be a nurse with 8 kids".
The interviewer should have said, "if you want to make it work-anything is possible."
And, sorry 1 more thing-she still can't admit or say, when they seperated.
She admitted that she realized the marriage was over, while flying in an airplane.
 
I watched the show this evening,
the thing that bothered me the most:
she sort of gasped and said, "how can I go back and be a nurse with 8 kids".
The interviewer should have said, "if you want to make it work-anything is possible."
And, sorry 1 more thing-she still can't admit or say, when they seperated.
She admitted that she realized the marriage was over, while flying in an airplane.

Yes, but she doesn't remember when it was or where she was going at the time. :confused3

I can't for the life of me see why she couldn't go back to having a real job.
 
Yes, but she doesn't remember when it was or where she was going at the time. :confused3

I can't for the life of me see why she couldn't go back to having a real job.

Respectfully. I don't understand what the big deal is about her going back to nursing. If she likes doing TV, so what? I mean if she does a talk show or another show on TLC or whatever and she enjoys it and gets a paycheck more power to her IMHO. Most women you see on TV are moms.
 
I think Kate admitted to Ellen, that they try to eat as much organic food as they can, especially meat and vegetables. But she said it is very hard. So at least she changed her toon to "all organic"
and now just says, "as much as possible".

I watched the show this evening,
the thing that bothered me the most:
she sort of gasped and said, "how can I go back and be a nurse with 8 kids".
The interviewer should have said, "if you want to make it work-anything is possible."
And, sorry 1 more thing-she still can't admit or say, when they seperated.
She admitted that she realized the marriage was over, while flying in an airplane.

How do you do it? How much would camp in the summer & after school care be for 8 kids? Who watches them at night when your working as a nurse?

On the TLC paycheck you can have overnight help but on a nurse's paycheck? Then you have the sick days for each kid. I never knew any large family that the mother worked. If she is going to work as a nurse Jon & Haley will have to move back in.:laughing:
 
How do you do it? How much would camp in the summer & after school care be for 8 kids? Who watches them at night when your working as a nurse?

On the TLC paycheck you can have overnight help but on a nurse's paycheck? Then you have the sick days for each kid. I never knew any large family that the mother worked. If she is going to work as a nurse Jon & Haley will have to move back in.:laughing:

I had a midwife who did have 10 kids (or some large number. I was in disbelief, but it was confirmed.) She ended up leaving the practice to teach at a community college for better hours. But she didn't come off of 5 years of television either. She had been a single mom, though. But she doesn't have multiples and likely had some help with her older children or something. But even on a midwifery salary--it would be extremely tough. I don't have additional info though on things such as child support or whether their home was paid for.

IT can be extremely challenging to work FT as a single parent and the more children you have, the more challenging it could be. I did eventually become a latchkey child.

I'm sure Kate would catch heck if her children were latchkey children when they reach the legal age.

When I was sick that I had to hire a nanny--a FT nanny cost me $10 per hour for 3 kids. I would expect a nanny for 8 kids to make a little bit more (though cost per unit does go down.:laughing:).

She did work a full 40 hours in 1 week and that was $400. Even on a great salary, that is a budget pincher.

Daycares don't discount well enough that 8 kids would be astronomical in after school care.

She did briefly go back to nursing, but she had a husband at home who watched the children on the weekends they did that.

I know the resolution seems so simple--but in this world, it isn't as cut and dried as it seems and it doesn't matter how many families do it. Most families with that number of kids are still in tact, so there is always one caregiver available to the kids. Even in a modest living situation--it would be tough.

My husband lost his job last week and the amount we have to last us 6 months...won't quite make it that long. We do not live in a mansion--but we have debt. The amount, are what many families survive on for an entire year. We have cut what we can, are asking for assistance where we can (through our bank--not sure if they will "help" or not) and he has applied for unemployment which he is eligible for and I think would be enough to help us stretch to the 6 months.

While I am sure familes live just fine on that money, it just isn't how our budget is set up.

I know that the collective "we" relish in talking smack about the irresponsible spending of money. But as a unit, both Jon and Kate made decisions with their family budget and at this time it is unlikely that even in the best of circumstances and liquidation of assets, a nursing job isn't going to cut it.

Much like my husband getting a full time job at Walmart--will not cut it for our family.

Folks can judge us if they want to--in many respects, we are not different from J&K relative to our income.


And while it is easy to offer solutions from the armchair quarterback position--there just isn't enough stalking that anyone can do that would garner them enough information to be in a position to prove that a nursing job would be sufficient.
 
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