Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[mikki'smom]

Kate won't show up...she got everything she could get free out of the woman, and there is nothing left for Kate, she doesn't have a need to go and pay respects...there's nothing in it for her anymore. I firmly believe Kate is a true narcisist and with that, she does not see any need in any actions or deeds that don't benefit her or are not about her in anyway.

Girl, that is just plain mean...what in the world could make you feel that poisonous about any individual...especially one you don't know...it's okay to be anti-Kate, but that is over the edge....

 

[C.Ann]

I don't have the energy to argue with the first part of your post anymore -- nobody except Deanna's drug dealer brother has said that Jon was dating before Kate filed for divorce.

I feel she shamed him because, despite what they had scripted to tell the public on the divorce announcement show, she filed for divorce the day that it aired, stating that it was necessary to protect herself and her kids from Jon, and had already done an article for People basically blaming him for everything. Not only did both offer plenty of cricitism of his character, he looked pretty stupid not knowing that those things would take place when he did the taping for the show.

Of course, it didn't help that TLC then imposed a 45 day gag order (funny how Kate's People article got out before that was done ) so that no other version of what was happening could be put out there.
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Ah - so you noticed that too?

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20316887,00.html

She's awake in the middle of the night? good. she should be, IMO.

The kids are showing more stress? Stay home. How hard is it?

IMO, they should BOTH lay awake at night, figuring out how to quickly and quietly resolve their differences, finalize the divorce, quit blabbing to the media, and pray for the future of their family.

Jon and Kate Gosselin became famous because they are parents of a large family. That's it. Time to start acting like parents and less like celebrities. The 15 minutes are up, IMO.

people in the public eye do good and it's reported on all the time, whether it's PR or not.

when is the last time we saw Kate do good? the ice skating benefit she left as soon as she made her appearance?

Their website with all of their requesting was a bit of a turn off. I wanted them to be interesting, deep, meaningful, good, insightful parents...but they're not. They are both self centered, contrived, manipulators with little to no depth.

She treats people badly. Family, friends, even strangers. I will never forget how she mocked and made fun of the person working at their day out with Thomas. How humiliated this conductor must have been when he told family and friends he was going to be on J&K+8 and that is what they tuned in for. She quoted the dog breeder with,"blah, blah, blah." She gave the private swim lesson teachers signed photgraphs as a thank you gift. It is psychotic. She uses people for her gain, then eliminates them from her (and her kids') lives. One can say, "we don't know," but it is clear without proof. She has nobody. Nobody speaks up for her just because they love her. It is a fame induced tragedy.

I feel like this one, may bite me in the butt-karma,
I go over the speed limit too.

And if it were Jon, people would be calling for his head on a silver platter by now..

So tonight TLC and Kate are playing the sympathy card - weeping and all - to try to turn the tide of public opinion? I think it may be too late for that - but we'll see..

TLC has a lot at stake - Kate and the kids are THEIR cash cows - and they'll do and say whatever it takes to hang on to them..

 

[DVCisME]

With all the talk of Kate's do-gooding.... It reminded me of a story, which I believe I read in Kate's first book, of how there house was remodeled by a televison show. She was not even grateful for that. I find it hard to believe that she has good will in her if she could not even be thankful for all the things that have been afforded her and her family!

 

[purplegirl247]

Don't think anyone has posted this yet. Even as someone who more often than not "sides" with Kate, I find this pretty hilarious (the bingo card itself is at the bottom of the post).

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/11/02/k...get-ready-for-another-cliche-fest/#more-35975

 

[DMRick]

With all the talk of Kate's do-gooding.... It reminded me of a story, which I believe I read in Kate's first book, of how there house was remodeled by a televison show. She was not even grateful for that. I find it hard to believe that she has good will in her if she could not even be thankful for all the things that have been afforded her and her family!

I had a nice long response here..but it just isn't worth it to me. I just found some of the things posted today very sad...for those who posted it, not Kate.

 

[longstangetrip]

It is sad. A marriage falling apart, two adults with no dignity left, eight kids with no privacy and a staff for a family, kids with their pets snatched away, parents fighting in front of the kids and using one as a spy, a mom so selfish she won't allow her kids the magic of Santa for fear of not getting the glory for the gifts...
Very sad indeed. No Jon and Kate aren't the world's worst, we just have had the pleasure of being bombarded with their mishaps and quirks. I wish nothing for them but the insight to turn it all around. It's not too late. Just lay low and be boring.

 

[LoraJ]

Don't think anyone has posted this yet. Even as someone who more often than not "sides" with Kate, I find this pretty hilarious (the bingo card itself is at the bottom of the post).

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/11/02/k...get-ready-for-another-cliche-fest/#more-35975

Too funny!

 

[DMRick]

It is sad. A marriage falling apart, two adults with no dignity left, eight kids with no privacy and a staff for a family, kids with their pets snatched away, parents fighting in front of the kids and using one as a spy, a mom so selfish she won't allow her kids the magic of Santa for fear of not getting the glory for the gifts...

Where does some of this stuff come from? Staff for a family? Are you saying Jon and Kate spend very little time with their children? And you know that how? Pets snatched away? You mean because they are going through a divorce and and they want to concentrate on their kids? A child being used as a spy? Why, because Mady wanted to talk to her mom about a new sitter at their house? Oh, and they would be the first divorcing parents to have fought in front of their kids..yeah.

 

[madge]

I had a nice long response here..but it just isn't worth it to me. I just found some of the things posted today very sad...for those who posted it, not Kate.

what's sad is that you can't turn on the TV anymore without seeing Jon or Kate Gosselin as part of the daily fodder. It's easy enough to stay away from TLC, but to avoid the Gosselins these days, you have to eliminate The Today Show, The Early Show, Good Morning America, Regis & Kelly, The View, Ellen, and all the entertainment news media shows ... that pretty much wipes out any and all morning TV.

 

[longstangetrip]

Where does some of this stuff come from? Staff for a family? Are you saying Jon and Kate spend very little time with their children? And you know that how? Because they are regularly documented being without them and they make regularly scheduled public appearances across the country. The staff are the kids' constants and they are photographed with them regularly. Pets snatched away? You mean because they are going through a divorce and and they want to concentrate on their kids? Even you can't really think they may have gotten rid of the dogs to concentrate on the kids! A child being used as a spy? Why, because Mady wanted to talk to her mom about a new sitter at their house? Putting Mady in the middle is childish and cruel. You don't ask a child to choose sides. Ever.Oh, and they would be the first divorcing parents to have fought in front of their kids..yeah. Why would you sarcastically imply that? I didn't.

I am not here to argue. I respect but don't understand your opinions. I don't think they are evil people. I just don't think all of this analysis and speculation is warranted. They pretty much lay it all out their for everyone to see! They aren't that complicated!

 

[DMRick]

Because they are regularly documented being without them and they make regularly scheduled public appearances across the country.

And they are also often found at home.

The staff are the kids' constants and they are photographed with them regularly.

I expect a full time nanny would be with the kids often.

Even you can't really think they may have gotten rid of the dogs to concentrate on the kids!

Yes, I do think that Kate thought she needed to concentrate on the kids and not the dogs. Yep, even me.

Why would you sarcastically imply that? I didn't.

You said it..I responded. I don't see how anyone could think that parents divorcing would not fight with each other., or think that would be unusual They prob did before they announced it as well. It may not be great, but 50% of all marriages end in divorce, and lots and lots of kids see their parents argue. It doesn't mean that this set of kids are any different. Add to that, we don't actually know these people, or their feelings. This was a TV show. We see what TLC and the paps want us to see. It's so easy to twist things, when you don't really know the people. Several said all they wanted was the kids off TV. They are.

We're even. I respent your right to say whatever you want here..but I surely don't understand your view either.

 

[C.Ann]

It is sad. A marriage falling apart, two adults with no dignity left, eight kids with no privacy and a staff for a family, kids with their pets snatched away, parents fighting in front of the kids and using one as a spy, a mom so selfish she won't allow her kids the magic of Santa for fear of not getting the glory for the gifts...
Very sad indeed. No Jon and Kate aren't the world's worst, we just have had the pleasure of being bombarded with their mishaps and quirks. I wish nothing for them but the insight to turn it all around. It's not too late. Just lay low and be boring.

I think the majority of this is a pretty good summary.. (Not "all", but most..)

Their lives and the lives of their children are much sadder than anything anyone has posted on this thread..

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Can you even imagine 8 kids under 10 on Halloween with no parent to get them dressed or take them Trick or Treating? or take them to a party at church, or to send treat bags to school, or to decorate cookies, or to carve the pumpkin? Instead of being good show fodder, how about being a family?

I think like Santa Claus, Kate at one point said they "don't do Halloween." Do you remeber why she doesn't "do Santa?" Because she doesn't want someone else getting credit for the gifts she bought. Not making it up. She said it on the show. Many valid, personal reasons some families choose not to use Santa Claus as part of their Christmas celebration don't get me wrong. This is just completely about her.

I personally know someone who I think is not only a FABULOUS mother...

But holds the same stand on why they don't do Santa. And it makes sense.

She doesn't want a fake guy getting credit for what her and her husband work very hard to provide for their family.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

I'm sure many will use it as evidence of Kate's narcissim--but why must we hold other people to our beliefs and standards?

Some parents don't do Santa b/c they don't want to lie to their kids--about some fake guy bringing stuff they bought. Same deal.


I opt to include Santa b/c it is fun--but it seems whatever this family does, will always be painted as evidence of selfishness and narcissism and I really don't get why that has to be.

(Wait until the Santa threads start on the DIS this season and you will see that there will be a sample of folks who also do not do Santa for the very reasons Kate mentions. Why must a fake fat guy take all the credit in order for it to be proof of a selfless nature?)

 

[redrosesix]

I don't hear Jon or Kate mention giving back very often these days.

Jon started the Jon Gosselin Children's Foundation this summer, and did an event for Autism Speaks. Of course, that was just seen as a PR stunt by most of the posters.

Don't think anyone has posted this yet. Even as someone who more often than not "sides" with Kate, I find this pretty hilarious (the bingo card itself is at the bottom of the post).

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/11/02/k...get-ready-for-another-cliche-fest/#more-35975

Well, I can do this (I would have never lasted through the drinking game tonight -- at least this one you only have to drink if she reveals something new)

I think the majority of this is a pretty good summary.. (Not "all", but most..)

Their lives and the lives of their children are much sadder than anything anyone has posted on this thread..

This I agree with.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I can't speak to the green room demands. I've never really got that for ANY person that's well-known. What makes a person so special that they can demand what they will or won't eat?

It's an issue of hospitality and welcome to guests who agree to an appearance.

The lower on the totem pole, you accept whatever hospitality is provided. But for those higher up on the pole (legitimate or otherwise)--at some point they were asked and eventually that evolves into requests.

It may sound silly to you, but it is pretty standard in the industry. Now some of the requests get really wonky and silly and that is the nature of the beast that popularity creates.

Now if I go on set as an extra and demand this that or the other. I'll get sent on my merry way and told not to come back.


Another point--it is an issue of time of day, and length of waitng. The things I have done as a crew or an extra take many hours--and it behooves the producers to have something when you have to be there for hours on end.

Now some of the lists I have seen for some celebrities--there is just no way they would consume all that they demand in the time frame they are wherever they are...then its an entitlement issue and them wanting to have all of their options to cater to any whim they may have.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Jon just Tweeted......

"Going home to see my kids,-excited, but i'll miss Hailey =-(. She has made me realize I need to be an honest person/father for my kids."

So does that mean he's emotionally abusive. Usually only truthful people can inspire truth. (Unless they are such horrible liars that they inspire a change in direction.)

His quotes are so very odd to me.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

She is still under TLC contract..can still only do what they say she can do. I'm curious..who would want her as a spokesperson now? As I have said in the past, it doesn't matter what she does, charity wise it will be mocked.




People still say nice things about Jon. His brothers, Hailey, even the rabbi.

She's a liabilty right now.

She needs an imaging person who can help change her image if she expects to speak for anything.

That can be helpful for someone who desires to be more genuine--not necessarily someone who just wants to fake it for the public.

 

[madge]

I personally know someone who I think is not only a FABULOUS mother...

But holds the same stand on why they don't do Santa. And it makes sense.

She doesn't want a fake guy getting credit for what her and her husband work very hard to provide for their family.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

I'm sure many will use it as evidence of Kate's narcissim--but why must we hold other people to our beliefs and standards?

Some parents don't do Santa b/c they don't want to lie to their kids--about some fake guy bringing stuff they bought. Same deal.


I opt to include Santa b/c it is fun--but it seems whatever this family does, will always be painted as evidence of selfishness and narcissism and I really don't get why that has to be.

(Wait until the Santa threads start on the DIS this season and you will see that there will be a sample of folks who also do not do Santa for the very reasons Kate mentions. Why must a fake fat guy take all the credit in order for it to be proof of a selfless nature?)

I thought that the Gosselins didn't do Santa for religious reasons... no idea where I read that, but it isn't unusual for families to not do the Santa thing. That's one of the few things I never gave a second thought to where the Gosselins are concerned. LOL

 

[madge]

Now some of the lists I have seen for some celebrities--there is just no way they would consume all that they demand in the time frame they are wherever they are...then its an entitlement issue and them wanting to have all of their options to cater to any whim they may have.

that's really what I have issue with.... and occasionally those lists will get published, and it makes me shake my head. LOL.

I get the hospitality and time aspect ... what I don't understand is what the difference is (as an example) between a lukewarm bottle of Evian vs. Fiji vs. Smartwater ... it's water. LOL.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

a mom so selfish she won't allow her kids the magic of Santa for fear of not getting the glory for the gifts...

This is one of the most obnoxious things I have read on this thread.

There are many parents who still do Christmas--but without "the magic of Santa". They don't believe in it, they don't wish to lie to their kids and they don't wish for an imaginary figure to get credit.

This is one of those nitpicky things that has little to do with anything really.


And I say this as someone who enjoys the "magic of Santa" in my household.