Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[Lisa loves Pooh]

that's really what I have issue with.... and occasionally those lists will get published, and it makes me shake my head. LOL.

I get the hospitality and time aspect ... what I don't understand is what the difference is (as an example) between a lukewarm bottle of Evian vs. Fiji vs. Smartwater ... it's water. LOL.

I don't like vitamins in my water...blek! Isn't that what smartwater is?

Anyway--I don't get it either...but then I don't get the Disers who freak over how they will stay hydrated b/c Florida water is nasty and Dasani is revolting.

And for now--my water can't be cold. It triggers my gag reflex--so I've been demanding lukewarm/room temp water like crazy.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Where does some of this stuff come from? Staff for a family? Are you saying Jon and Kate spend very little time with their children? And you know that how? Pets snatched away? You mean because they are going through a divorce and and they want to concentrate on their kids? A child being used as a spy? Why, because Mady wanted to talk to her mom about a new sitter at their house? Oh, and they would be the first divorcing parents to have fought in front of their kids..yeah.

1. Didn't you know that families cannot have any hired help whatsoever. It means you are a bad parent.

2. Pets snatched away--I think they got the pets under false pretenses and when things are rocky, it's never a good idea to adopt a living being as likely it will get ditched when stress gets too high. I don't blame them for returning the dogs--but they weren't under the best of circumstances to be adopting in the first place.

3. I spied---lots. And funny enough, I got in trouble with my mom everytime. But I was trying to prove my case of why I needed to be listened to in my efforts to get visitation reduced. Without the spying and "proof"--I would have had to endure much more suffering. Finally my senior year of high school--I didn't have to visit. But it took many years of spying and reporting to get to 0 days. Pathetic on my part, but I was miserable and being placed in a very hostile situation that I wanted no part of.

I share it as an example that children can and do come up with ideas of that nature on their own. Reasons for spying will vary.

Calling the other parent when you are uncomfortable is not "spying". I did that to. I called collect so that no evidence would appear on the phone bill.

 

[talulabelle]

Girl, that is just plain mean...what in the world could make you feel that poisonous about any individual...especially one you don't know...it's okay to be anti-Kate, but that is over the edge....

I know it sounds nasty, but I stand by it. This is my impression of the woman. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there is a heart in there. But the impression that I have based on watching the show is that I'm right. Kate is a narcisist and only see things and people as how they relate to her or how they benefit her. There is nothing there for her. Paying respects would be about doing something for someone else (genuinely and not for the cameras) and I don't think she has it in her.

How much did we see Jodi do for Kate? Did we ever see Kate do anything for her to reciprocate? No. Did she ever do anything for Beth? No. When J&K were on the couch after they left all their sick kids with Jodi and Keven so Jon could go get hairplugs...they were asked about how jodi handled her own 4 and their 8 and they acted like Jodi's 4 were a non-issue because it was her own kids and it was just the 8 that would be hard and Jodi and keven must realize how hard it is for Kate everyday. Then they were asked if they woudl watch Jodi's 4 and and Kate said "no, that would be like illegal, we'd have like 12 kids"....she did'nt even get it that Jodi had 12 when she watched Kates kids. Kate ONLY see things as far as they relate to her and benefit her.

 

[longstangetrip]

This is one of the most obnoxious things I have read on this thread.

There are many parents who still do Christmas--but without "the magic of Santa". They don't believe in it, they don't wish to lie to their kids and they don't wish for an imaginary figure to get credit.

This is one of those nitpicky things that has little to do with anything really.


And I say this as someone who enjoys the "magic of Santa" in my household.

I feel like you are acting condescending and being just a little aggressive. I don't feel like that was respectful. As I said earlier, I understand that many families have valid, personal reasons for not including Santa in their Christmas celebrations. I feel that her reasoning (as stated on an episode of Jon and Kate plus 8) is narcissistic. I have/had no desire for my kids to believe that I worked hard to buy their Christmas gifts as oppossed to Santa "magically" bringing them during the night, so I don't get it. At all.
Obviously all posters bring their own past experiences and personal belief systems into their opinions. We are human after all.

 

[redrosesix]

that's really what I have issue with.... and occasionally those lists will get published, and it makes me shake my head. LOL.

I get the hospitality and time aspect ... what I don't understand is what the difference is (as an example) between a lukewarm bottle of Evian vs. Fiji vs. Smartwater ... it's water. LOL.

I've seen some of the lists that the caterer uses to collect the items specified by bands that play at the arena here -- it's almost always specified in a rider on their contract (the opening act might get to ask for a rider, depending on who is promoting the show) Often, the band will ask for McDonalds food, or something reasonable. But sometimes they're really strange, like sandwiches cut into squares, not triangles. And it isn't always the biggest acts that are the fussiest.

The people I've talked to about it are happy when the band specifies what they want, rather than just being told to provide food and drinks for an unknown number of people. It makes sense that they would get this type of service, since they're in a city they're unfamiliar with, it's fairly late at night by the time they finish playing and they often get on the road right after that to head to the next venue.

But expecting this type of service for doing a 10 minute interview -- I'm just not so sure about the reasonableness of that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I am not here to argue. I respect but don't understand your opinions. I don't think they are evil people. I just don't think all of this analysis and speculation is warranted. They pretty much lay it all out their for everyone to see! They aren't that complicated!

I agree with you on the dogs...

But really--it is noone's business how often Jon or Kate are traveling and away from their kids.

It isn't ideal--but it's none of our business.

As for Mady spying? Do you have any evidence that she was told to call her mom, by her mother? It is feasible she did that on her own.

 

[madge]

I don't like vitamins in my water...blek! Isn't that what smartwater is?

I think it's like Gatorade water, with electrolytes in it .. but I wasn't sure. I was just trying to come up with pricier bottled water brands. LOL.

Anyway--I don't get it either...but then I don't get the Disers who freak over how they will stay hydrated b/c Florida water is nasty and Dasani is revolting.

And for now--my water can't be cold. It triggers my gag reflex--so I've been demanding lukewarm/room temp water like crazy.

I remember those days, LOL .. I was the same way when I was pregnant with DD!

 

[redrosesix]

But really--it is noone's business how often Jon or Kate are traveling and away from their kids.

It isn't ideal--but it's none of our business.

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I think we all sort of made that stuff our business.

Sorry, I couldn't resist...you can go back to your forum fight now.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I feel like you are acting condescending and being just a little aggressive. I don't feel like that was respectful. As I said earlier, I understand that many families have valid, personal reasons for not including Santa in their Christmas celebrations. I feel that her reasoning (as stated on an episode of Jon and Kate plus 8) is narcissistic. I have/had no desire for my kids to believe that I worked hard to buy their Christmas gifts as oppossed to Santa "magically" bringing them during the night, so I don't get it. At all.
Obviously all posters bring their own past experiences and personal belief systems into their opinions. We are human after all.

I was just calling you on the table for an absurd observation.

And not believing in Santa appears nowhere in any description of narcissism.

You can have the opinion that she's a narcissist--there is much that points to it.

Failure to enjoy the "magic of Santa" doesn't even come close at all.

The thing is--you don't have to get it at all.

That's what makes the world go around. Everyone is different.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think we all sort of made that stuff our business.

Sorry, I couldn't resist...you can go back to your forum fight now.

I'm just posting en masse tonight.


I only know where Kate is--b/c people here keep posting it.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I had a nice long response here..but it just isn't worth it to me. I just found some of the things posted today very sad...for those who posted it, not Kate.

After catching up on the last several pages it looks like we are back to a very negative trend on this thread again.

I Bet it will be even worse after tonight.

 

[MM27]

This is one of the most obnoxious things I have read on this thread.

There are many parents who still do Christmas--but without "the magic of Santa". They don't believe in it, they don't wish to lie to their kids and they don't wish for an imaginary figure to get credit.

This is one of those nitpicky things that has little to do with anything really.


And I say this as someone who enjoys the "magic of Santa" in my household.

My aunt always told her kids up front that SHE was the one that gave them their Christmas presents. She made it very clear to anyone that questioned her that she wasn't letting some guy named "Santa" get credit for all of the things she purchased for her children. They turned out okay

 

[DMRick]

After catching up on the last several pages it looks like we are back to a very negative trend on this thread again.

I Bet it will be even worse after tonight.

I know..it just comes right out of no where. But I don't want the thread closed, so again, we'll have to agree to disagree. As you said, once the show is on, it will be worse. So I'll let all of you that just want to say how fake she is, have the floor I'll come back tomorrow after she's been all torn apart. After all, some of you will have hang overs to deal with, and might not make it to the board.

 

[kritter]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/110209_Kate_Gosselin_Busted_For_Speeding

 

[kritter]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/10/kate_gosselin_natalie_morales_1.html

 

[madge]

I know..it just comes right out of no where.

it didn't come out of nowhere for me, although it may have seemed like it. This morning, I had enough. I turned on The Today Show, and there Kate was... the same Kate Gosselin who repeatedly said she wanted to handle things privately, focus on the children, etc... crying about her life ON NATIONAL TELEVISION. If she truly, honestly meant that she wanted to handle this privately, then that's what she should do. However, it isn't very good for someone who wants to have a career in TV to stay out of the public eye at the height of their exposure.

I'm looking forward to recaps (from both sides) of tonight's show. I'm watching DWTS and the baseball game. I'd rather be watching Two and a Half Men, followed by Big Bang Theory, but I don't have the remote. LOL

 

[kritter]

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....lin-hailey-glassman-fight-with-kate-gosselin/

 

[emer95]

I want to stand up and cheer for Natalie Moreales! This is the first interview EVER where Kate has actually been asked hard questions, and not been allowed to give rehearsed, canned answers. NM is not backing down. I'm quite amazed. I thought that since TLC was airing this, it would be another poorKate interview.
I'm glad I watched!

 

[DreaGirl]

You could tell when Natalie goes off script because the "Ums" come out.

 

[kidshop]

I agree with you on the dogs...

But really--it is noone's business how often Jon or Kate are traveling and away from their kids.

It isn't ideal--but it's none of our business.

As for Mady spying? Do you have any evidence that she was told to call her mom, by her mother? It is feasible she did that on her own.

People who go on every talk and news show and People magazine (and publish books and do speaking engagements) saying everything they do is for their kids and then they are away from them more often than not....well, they made it our business.

And I have found that the only people who need to keep saying a thing are the ones who are trying to convince someone. Regular people just do it, they don't feel a need to keep announcing, for example, how everything they do is for their kids.