Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[longstangetrip]

So sad. Looks like in November, Kate and the crew have "No More Life"! You know show's over, life's over...
Yay (if it's true).

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Eyes for lies posted a brief comment regarding the arbitrator's ruling. She calls Jon a ticking time bomb (specifically a time bomb about to implode).

She has a pretty good track record and I must say when I read her latest comment, I'm a bit haunted at the vibes she is getting.

My vibes are not that strong, but I am not a human lie detector.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/10/jon-gosselin-ordered-to-return-180k.html

 

[jpaxton1118]

I think when all is said and done, Jon is really going to hate his discision to leave the show and not allow his children to be filmed. When he no longer is getting a $20,000 or however much it was paycheck and people really don't care who he is, he is going to kick himself. Who can make that kind of money for doing nothing. He is an stupid.

 

[mousey]

hey all! I know I'm venturing into OT territory, but yesterday, we were talking a good bit about the Duggars and the differences between the families and I was just watching a rerun of the Duggars while I was cleaning up the kitchen and it was one I had not seen before when Jim Bob takes the older kids to ElSalvador to spend time with kids in orphanages there. Uh, there is your difference. They are afforded opportunities to travel with the show and they go to El Salvador to show their children how the truly poor live. Jon and Kate - Disney, Hawaii, OuterBanks, Hilton Head...etc.
The Duggars are the real deal.

I also saw the old episode and thought the same thing. I don't care if TLC or some other agency paid for them to go to ElSalvador. That was a mission of compassion and a way to show children how lucky they are to live in America. This would never happen with the Gosselin's. Camping in the backyard with the brand new tents and sleeping bags was as close to this kind of thing for them. J & K are all about themselves and what they can get for free. My daughters friend just went on a medical mission to Guatemala and it cost her $2,000 for expenses--and this was staying at an orphanage. She raised some of the money with fundraising, but this was a big thing for a college student.

So the Gosselin's had a garage sale and sold everything that was donated to them in the first place and donated some "donated toys" to St. Jude's hospital, nice gesture, however, nothing special for all that they have been given. That was one thing brought up about Kate over and over--just how ungrateful she really is!!!

 

[kidshop]

I think when all is said and done, Jon is really going to hate his discision to leave the show and not allow his children to be filmed. When he no longer is getting a $20,000 or however much it was paycheck and people really don't care who he is, he is going to kick himself. Who can make that kind of money for doing nothing. He is an stupid.

Why should the kids have to work so their parents get paid? No kids=no money is not really my problem. I am thrilled if the filming of the kids ends, and yes I pray Kate will not allow them to be used in any venture by Jon as well.

 

[DMRick]

So the 2and 6 year old should have asked to do a mission project in El Salvador in order for us to like their parents? I thought for their age, they were taught sharing their wealth pretty good. They didn't have to give away the money for their toys, clothes, etc. no matter how they got them. They said on that show they do that yearly. They didn't have to sit there and sell lemonade. How the heck can you compare the kids on the Duggars with the Gosselins for a mission trip. I wonder, would they have gone on that mission trip with so many of them if they were paying for it? What more did you think the little kids should have done? Maybe gone out and dug ditches? They are little kids. Hopefully, by the time they are teens this will all be a memory and they won't be on TV with the world watching them during their most sensative time.
Maybe the Duggars can donate all of their pay from TLC, to the poor in El Salvador since they aren't doing the show for gain.

Apples and oranges.

So the Gosselin's had a garage sale and sold everything that was donated to them in the first place and donated some "donated toys" to St. Jude's hospital, nice gesture, however, nothing special for all that they have been given. That was one thing brought up about Kate over and over--just how ungrateful she really is!!!

 

[torinsmom]

I also saw the old episode and thought the same thing. I don't care if TLC or some other agency paid for them to go to ElSalvador. That was a mission of compassion and a way to show children how lucky they are to live in America. This would never happen with the Gosselin's. Camping in the backyard with the brand new tents and sleeping bags was as close to this kind of thing for them. J & K are all about themselves and what they can get for free. My daughters friend just went on a medical mission to Guatemala and it cost her $2,000 for expenses--and this was staying at an orphanage. She raised some of the money with fundraising, but this was a big thing for a college student.

So the Gosselin's had a garage sale and sold everything that was donated to them in the first place and donated some "donated toys" to St. Jude's hospital, nice gesture, however, nothing special for all that they have been given. That was one thing brought up about Kate over and over--just how ungrateful she really is!!!

I remember them mentioning in the show that the parents and older Duggars had gone to ES before for mission work. I don't have a problem if TLC paid for them to go. Hopefully many people saw that show and decided to help these people who are so much less fortunate than we are.

Marsha

 

[redrosesix]

Why should the kids have to work so their parents get paid? No kids=no money is not really my problem. I am thrilled if the filming of the kids ends, and yes I pray Kate will not allow them to be used in any venture by Jon as well.

ITA.

Just watched Jon on ET -- he says he's going to put the money back (I guess these interviews pay well). They did ask him about what he would do for work, and he said he would stay in television and if that didn't work out, he'd go back to IT. He said he's not afraid to work. BTW, the only points he made about the court were already in the preview. ET added a footnote to the interview, stating that Kate's lawyer had stated that he has to repay $180,000. The only thing to add there is that when they went for arbitration they were in separate rooms with their own lawyers.

When asked about how the kids are handling the divorce, he said he's still seeing a therapist, that he tells the kids he will see them every week, that daddy will always be their daddy, that mommy will always be their mommy (can't help comparing him to Kate here -- that is soooo not what she said she told them when she was on The View).

My overall impression was that he was very subdued, close to tears most of the time. I think he still loves Kate He could remember what she was wearing in court right down to the shoes.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

My overall impression was that he was very subdued, close to tears most of the time. I think he still loves Kate He could remember what she was wearing in court right down to the shoes.

He remembered what she wore yesterday?....wow.

Did he mention the death of a friend at all? Because he posted something about that on his Twitter page and that had to contribute to his subdued demeanor.

 

[momrek06]

My overall impression was that he was very subdued, close to tears most of the time. I think he still loves Kate He could remember what she was wearing in court right down to the shoes.

I am going to agree with you redrose, I believe Jon still loves Kate! I mean after all they went through as a young couple, then to first have the twins, then the 'tups...come on...I just really wish (and I know it does not seem possible) that all this would just END...K&J come together for the kiddos and themselves and move on with their lives as one big happy family.

As far as Jon's statements of not being afraid to work...he has NOT worked in a while, 8-6pm, he has been all over the country and France, enjoying life to the fullest...how can he say he is not afraid to work and then try to fit time in with the kiddos when he is living in NYC...? What company will hire him anyway with all the "baggage" Jon will bring with him...? Will he wear his $950.00 shoes to his IT job? I think he is soooooo regretting what he did with pulling the plug on the show...the gravy train has dried up...

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Are you talking about the one the governor set up? And didn't put any money in..all he did was set it up and invite people to put money in. When I tried to put $1 in it, my note said I needed to get the number from the gosselins. Way back when both Kate and Jon said that was not an account they set up. They have said they have set up accounts for the kids, but just like everything, until I see it, I don't know if it really happened, or if the money is protected.

Doris, do you really think that nobody has contributed to that college account? The Gosselin 6 are PA's pride and joy. I'd be VERY surprised if that account didn't have $ in it. I'd be even more surprised if the governor didn't put a little in himself after making that big press conference about their birth.

I think when all is said and done, Jon is really going to hate his discision to leave the show and not allow his children to be filmed. When he no longer is getting a $20,000 or however much it was paycheck and people really don't care who he is, he is going to kick himself. Who can make that kind of money for doing nothing. He is an stupid.

I disagree. Jon knows that if the show stops, the big bucks do too. He's not THAT stupid (well, close enough) to have not realized it. Maybe his supposed epiphany was real and he does feel he owes it to his children to keep them off the show. 40 something episodes in one year is a LOT of filming, wouldn't you agree?

I also saw the old episode and thought the same thing. I don't care if TLC or some other agency paid for them to go to ElSalvador. That was a mission of compassion and a way to show children how lucky they are to live in America. This would never happen with the Gosselin's. Camping in the backyard with the brand new tents and sleeping bags was as close to this kind of thing for them. J & K are all about themselves and what they can get for free. My daughters friend just went on a medical mission to Guatemala and it cost her $2,000 for expenses--and this was staying at an orphanage. She raised some of the money with fundraising, but this was a big thing for a college student.

So the Gosselin's had a garage sale and sold everything that was donated to them in the first place and donated some "donated toys" to St. Jude's hospital, nice gesture, however, nothing special for all that they have been given. That was one thing brought up about Kate over and over--just how ungrateful she really is!!!

I have to agree with you mousey. Kate has been called on the carpet before for her less than 'gracious' attitude. Madge, didn't you say when Kate was in your area that the locals weren't too thrilled with her? Or something to that effect?

So the 2and 6 year old should have asked to do a mission project in El Salvador in order for us to like their parents? I thought for their age, they were taught sharing their wealth pretty good. They didn't have to give away the money for their toys, clothes, etc. no matter how they got them. They said on that show they do that yearly. They didn't have to sit there and sell lemonade. How the heck can you compare the kids on the Duggars with the Gosselins for a mission trip. I wonder, would they have gone on that mission trip with so many of them if they were paying for it? What more did you think the little kids should have done? Maybe gone out and dug ditches? They are little kids. Hopefully, by the time they are teens this will all be a memory and they won't be on TV with the world watching them during their most sensative time.
Maybe the Duggars can donate all of their pay from TLC, to the poor in El Salvador since they aren't doing the show for gain.

Apples and oranges.

Do you think the Duggar's children asked to go to El Salvador? I doubt it. Their parents saw it as an opportunity to show their children how to help those less fortunate, much less fortunate.

I remember that episode with the garage sale for Pediatric Cancer. Kate looked extremely bored and put out. She toyed with her cell phone while people were buying things and made a huge stink over the sign being spelled incorrectly. That's a giving attitude isn't it.

And the St. Jude episode where they had the kids pick out toys to give to the poor cancer children, who do you think paid for those? I highly doubt J&K did since the whole thing was televised. And what did Kate give to those sick little children? Copies of her book Multiple Blessings. That was insane IMO, a lot of those kids were young, too young to be able to read that but apparently that's how Kate gives back. I'm sorry but comparing people like the Duggars to the Gosselins isn't the same. The Duggars seem to actually care about others outside of their family. Did you see the episodes where they helped to build a large (huge) addition onto a poorer families home? That's generosity and compassion. Not picking out toys that TLC most likely paid for and giving away copies of your own book to sick children.

Blech, that all sounds so snarky doesn't it? Sorry.

I agree with Talulabelle, Kate views her family as the charity which probably explains her less than gracious attitude. I can't imagine behaving the way she does sometimes.

 

[redrosesix]

He remembered what she wore yesterday?....wow.

Did he mention the death of a friend at all? Because he posted something about that on his Twitter page and that had to contribute to his subdued demeanor.

Nope, he didn't mention his friend -- I was wondering about that. But he didn't add that part to his tweet until later in the day. It could have been that he had already heard that his friend was near death (not sure how he died).

And the interview was actually done yesterday, right after they got out of arbitration, although they hadn't seen each other since court in the early morning.

Right now, I'm trying to figure out if my DH could remember what I was wearing this morning

 

[jpaxton1118]

Why should the kids have to work so their parents get paid? No kids=no money is not really my problem. I am thrilled if the filming of the kids ends, and yes I pray Kate will not allow them to be used in any venture by Jon as well.

I was not saying I agreed with it, I don't think the kids should be filmed, I was just saying that Jon will regret it.

 

[DMRick]

I remember them mentioning in the show that the parents and older Duggars had gone to ES before for mission work. I don't have a problem if TLC paid for them to go. Hopefully many people saw that show and decided to help these people who are so much less fortunate than we are.

Marsha

I agree it was a good show..I just don't agree that because they went, and J & K and their kids didn't, that it shows the difference in the two shows.

 

[DMRick]

Doris, do you really think that nobody has contributed to that college account? The Gosselin 6 are PA's pride and joy. I'd be VERY surprised if that account didn't have $ in it. I'd be even more surprised if the governor didn't put a little in himself after making that big press conference about their birth.

I didn't say that nobody has contributed..I said the governor opened it, but if the governor did contribute, he didn't say that. He said he opened it for them and that it was opened so other's could if they wanted to. Please don't make me go looking for that site..it was a long time ago. I believe both Jon and Kate said it was not the kids college account..so if people were able to put money in..that's good. At one time I had the site that said it, but that was a long time ago. I tried to contribute as I said, and was told it was private and I would have to get the account number from the Gosselins.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Maybe his supposed epiphany was real and he does feel he owes it to his children to keep them off the show. 40 something episodes in one year is a LOT of filming, wouldn't you agree?

I agree, too many episodes.

It would be much easier to give Jon this benefit of the doubt if he hadn't arranged for streaming video of Mady & Cara's birthday to air on ET. That day when he picked them up from school one camera man practically followed them into the car and continued to film.

I have to wonder if Jon took them off the show because Hailey told him too stick it to TLC. She does control his schedule now (per Jon's words), maybe she controls more than that even.

Right now, I'm trying to figure out if my DH could remember what I was wearing this morning

I just left mine's office (he does IT for a banking company from our home) and I bet he can't recall what I was wearing at all.

 

[jpaxton1118]

I am sure Jon has thought it through and I am sure he thinks this is what he wants but when he has to go back to work full time and he is having to work in a office, I am sure he will regret his choices. He comes across as someone who gets by, that is my opinion and so him going back to a office job just does not seem to fit with him.

Just from someone who use to post a lot and still lurks, you guys might want to relax a bit. All I was saying was I thought Jon would regret his choices and next thing I know I am being "put in my place" about the kids working. I never said I wanted the kids to work, I said that he would regret it. We don't know these people and it is ok for us to give our opinion on the subject and I don't care if someone disagrees with me but don't put words in my mouth. Thank you.

 

[DMRick]

Do you think the Duggar's children asked to go to El Salvador? I doubt it. Their parents saw it as an opportunity to show their children how to help those less fortunate, much less fortunate.

It doesn't matter how they got there. You can't compare it to what J & K might have done..their children are young.

I remember that episode with the garage sale for Pediatric Cancer. Kate looked extremely bored and put out. She toyed with her cell phone while people were buying things and made a huge stink over the sign being spelled incorrectly. That's a giving attitude isn't it.

She was there for hours...we saw a short period. Even in the amount of time we saw, at some times she was very happy and smiling. I just saw the show a couple weeks ago, and I remember it well. Yes, she was upset about the sign. That's Kate and many other people.

And the St. Jude episode where they had the kids pick out toys to give to the poor cancer children, who do you think paid for those? I highly doubt J&K did since the whole thing was televised. And what did Kate give to those sick little children? Copies of her book Multiple Blessings. That was insane IMO, a lot of those kids were young, too young to be able to read that but apparently that's how Kate gives back.

Does it matter who paid for the toys? They went and picked them out and wrapped them. It was a learning experience for the kids, just as the El Salvador show was for the Duggars. No money out of either pockets. And the books were not given to the little kids. Toys were.

I'm sorry but comparing people like the Duggars to the Gosselins isn't the same. The Duggars seem to actually care about others outside of their family. Did you see the episodes where they helped to build a large (huge) addition onto a poorer families home? That's generosity and compassion. Not picking out toys that TLC most likely paid for and giving away copies of your own book to sick children.

So should I assume that TLC did not pay for the time the Duggars helped with the house and they were taping? They prob gave supplies as well, to tape it. You can't compare what the Duggars do, to the Gosselins, unless the Duggars older 5 or 10 are not in the show and they do these types of things with the little kids. They are two different shows. Both getting paid with a show neither family would have if not for their children.

I wish the Duggars show would show their disciplining when they teach their youngest kids. I wonder what all of you (you general you) would be saying then. I watch the Duggars, I appreciate their Christian work..however, I don't compare it to J & K's show. TLC wants different things for each of these shows and IMO it shows.

 

[redrosesix]

I am going to agree with you redrose, I believe Jon still loves Kate! I mean after all they went through as a young couple, then to first have the twins, then the 'tups...come on...I just really wish (and I know it does not seem possible) that all this would just END...K&J come together for the kiddos and themselves and move on with their lives as one big happy family.

As far as Jon's statements of not being afraid to work...he has NOT worked in a while, 8-6pm, he has been all over the country and France, enjoying life to the fullest...how can he say he is not afraid to work and then try to fit time in with the kiddos when he is living in NYC...? What company will hire him anyway with all the "baggage" Jon will bring with him...? Will he wear his $950.00 shoes to his IT job? I think he is soooooo regretting what he did with pulling the plug on the show...the gravy train has dried up...

If he does, that would explain a lot of things, especially his anger.

As for the IT work -- I have a friend who does that (the kind of person Jon would work for) I remember talking to him about a job that he got paid $100,000 for, commenting that it must be nice to be finished all the hard work so he could enjoy some time off. His response: "Are you kidding? I'd do this work for free!" And I'd expect Jon to show up to work in his sneakers, ripped jeans and baggy t-shirts. Maybe that's part of the appeal of that kind of work for people who do it.

There is no way he could have done IT work and 40 shows per season, either. I think Jon would have to go back to school if he wanted to get back into that field -- give people some time to forget about him, and bring some more to the table at the job interview.

I can't remember who it was right now -- some famous heavy metal front man (I'm thinking it was Dee Snider from Twisted Sister ) -- now works as a plumber and lives in Long Island, NY. People can re-invent themselves.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I didn't say that nobody has contributed..I said the governor opened it, but if the governor did contribute, he didn't say that. He said he opened it for them and that it was opened so other's could if they wanted to. Please don't make me go looking for that site..it was a long time ago. I believe both Jon and Kate said it was not the kids college account..so if people were able to put money in..that's good. At one time I had the site that said it, but that was a long time ago. I tried to contribute as I said, and was told it was private and I would have to get the account number from the Gosselins.

Obviously it was opened for others to contribute to, why else would he invite people to give their $ to it? I'm not sure what your point is, maybe I'm extra dumb tonight! Here's a link to the article about the governor setting up accounts for the kids:

http://tinypaste.com/d4aad

QUOTE:

Lt. Governor Knoll Remarks
"Gosselin Six" Birthday Party
May 12, 2005

There is no need to be coy about this celebration today.

This is far more than a birthday party. It is recognition that the Gosselins have given a whole new meaning to the concept of Mother’s Day!

I am a proud, outspoken, no-doubt-about-it fan of the great treasures of Pennsylvania. I can bend anyone’s ear about Valley Forge National Park or Independence Hall or the Library Hall or the Pocono’s, or Pennsylvania Dutch Country or the Carnegie Institute, or a hundred other places---but today, in this place, at this time, the Number 1 Pennsylvania treasure is the Gosselin Six.

I’ve been asked often: “Who are the best-known people in Pennsylvania?”

The temptation is to answer with names like Benjamin Franklin, Marlan Anderson, Arnold Palmer, Grace Kelly, Johnny Unitas, Margaret Mead---so many others---but the short-form response about Pennsylvania’s best known people is simply to say: Alexis, Hannah, Aaden, Collin, Leah, and Joel, and, of course, their beautiful big sisters, Cara & Madelyn.

My amazement continues. When this hockey team was born a year ago, I instantly recalled the responsibility and workload I experienced in raising four children---and their arrivals were spread out over a period of time.

To have six show up at the door on the same day, each saying, “Feed me. Clothe me. Shelter me. Guide me.” ---well, that is a challenge of staggering dimensions.

But a challenge the Gosselins have energetically accepted.

And so has the “village.”

By that I mean the “It-takes-a-village” reference Hilary Clinton made so famous. The way friends and neighbors, and in many instances, the whole state, have rallied around this family is a very special story.

As Don Harold once said, babies are such a nice way to start people!

I’ve always believed that a baby is God’s opinion that life should be regarded as precious, and that no child should be starved for food, for education, or for love.

Every year in Pennsylvania we welcome over 140,000 new babies. That the Gosselins chose to escalate that number dramatically in 2004 is an occasion worthy of all the celebration we can bring it.

I try to picture 49 years from now when Alexis, Hannah, Aaden, Collin, Leah, and Joel will get together for their 50th birthday party. There will be more candles at that event than there were at the Vatican a few weeks ago. It will look like the runway lights have been turned on at an airport.

Somewhere in between this birthday and that one, there will be a lot of other milestones to celebrate -- multiplied by six. Six first days of school, six first dates, six drivers’ licenses, six college tuitions…

I know that all parents think about these milestones, especially how they are going to provide their children with a college education. For Kate and Jonathan, I’m sure they think about this often.

That is why, for my gift to the Gosselin Family on this very special occasion, I am opening accounts for all eight of the Gosselin children through the Tuition Account Program, which I had a hand in creating when I served as Pennsylvania State Treasurer.

Contributions to these accounts will accrue throughout the children’s lives and be available to them once it comes time to attend college.

If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account, you can do so by making your check payable to “TAP 529,” writing “Gosselin” in the memo portion of the check, and sending your contributions to: Gosselin Sextuplets and Twins Accounts, TAP Bureau, 218 Finance Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120. More information on the Tuition Account Program can be obtained by calling 1-800-440-4000 or by visiting the Treasury website and clicking on Tuition Account Program.

Happy Mother’s Day, Kate and Jonathan. Pennsylvania is proud of you and this wonderful six-pack whose birthday we honor today. Congratulations, and many blessings for a healthy, happy, and prosperous future for your family!