Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[mousey]

It only matter if you are being portrayed as someone who does it all, when in fact I believe she does very little. I have been watching alot of old shows and all I see is Kate sitting in her plastic chair and ordering everyone around. I believe she does nothing. except film, I would love to "run thing around here with help. But I run things and "do things. I am sorry but she is not worth a flip as a mother and certainly not "supermom" as TL called her. To me it is very easy to sit and dicatate what needs to be done. That isn't being a mother, that is being a manager. And if you going to be that, then don't act like you do it all. If I hear Kate say one more time "from sratch" I am going to scream. Guess what Kate I cook from scratch, so what, it isn't that hard.

Sorry I know that I am on a rant about her, and while I still may like her a little more than Jon, I just can't stand to see people defend her. IMHO she is a sad sorry excuse for a mother. And she should quit acting like she is the best.

ITA!!! Can you imagine what those kids are going through listening to her complain about their father pulling the plug on the show. She probably is ranting and raving about no more vacations, no more clothes or toys, no more nannies or babysitters, no more juicy juice or charmin toilet paper.

I don't understand how anyone can call her a supermom. Those kids get more sympathy from their teddy bears than they do from their mother!

 

[hbkfan637]

Good point. Why do J&K need a chef, landscaper, stylist, dry cleaning/laundry service, etc. All of those things IMO can go. Kate can cook again (which would make sense since she wanted to do a cookbook for crying out loud), Jon can cut the grass, they do their own laundry and their own hair. I think J&K are confused and have deluded themselves into thinking that they need all those things in order to survive.

And let's not forget all the $ they'll still get from J&K re-runs, book sales and all the other speaking engagements they have done. I highly doubt the well has been tapped dry.

Do we know for sure that they get money from re-runs? From what I understand about reality shows, the reason why there are so many is because they're cheap to produce. The people are not actors so union rules do not apply to them. They normally get little to no pay and no money from DVD sales or re-runs.

 

[mousey]

Do we know for sure that they get money from re-runs? From what I understand about reality shows, the reason why there are so many is because they're cheap to produce. The people are not actors so union rules do not apply to them. They normally get little to no pay and no money from DVD sales or re-runs.

I don't think they get money from reruns. Your right, they are not actors so the union rules don't apply. For 10 people doing the show their pay of 22,000 an episode is low. Some of the girls on the show the "Hills" are paid 100-125,000 an episode (for one person). They said Nene from the Housewives of Atlanta is paid 30,000 per episode.

 

[hbkfan637]

I wonder just how much and what TLC really has provided and/or paid for Jon & Kate.

And who says they have to keep all the things TLC provided? IMO, If Jon and Kate want to keep the services that TLC provided as part of being on the show, then they'll have to find a way to pay for it themselves... which is what they both appear to be doing, although in very different ways.

True, things like catering, dry cleaning, and landscaping are not necessities but TLC helped with some necessities like clothes. I imagine clothes for 8 growing kids is a big expense. I don't know what other expenses TLC paid for but I imagine TLC helped with utilities or Jon and Kate were able to write it off as business expense.

I don't see anything wrong with Kate asking for temporary support. Jon did not give her any warning before cutting off their main source of income. I think they should find a way to support themselves but Kate had no time to prepare for these sudden changes.

Also I think we tend to make assumptions about how much money people make. It wasn't that long ago where the public thought they made $75,000 per episode but really it was $22,000 per episode.

 

[mousey]

The insider discussed the salaries of reality tv people when Jon was on the show with Nene from Housewives of Atlanta. She didn't even know what her salary was and Lara told her!

 

[redrosesix]

Thought you all might enjoy this.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_soup/b148220_kate_plus_screams_of_anguish.html

Interesting take on the whole story -- I need to think about this article some more.

Do we know for sure that they get money from re-runs? From what I understand about reality shows, the reason why there are so many is because they're cheap to produce. The people are not actors so union rules do not apply to them. They normally get little to no pay and no money from DVD sales or re-runs.

I don't know about the re-runs, but they apparently get royalties from DVD sales. Whether or not they get royalties from re-runs would depend on their contract with TLC, and I would assume that just as their pay per episode increased each season, so did their contract demands.

True, things like catering, dry cleaning, and landscaping are not necessities but TLC helped with some necessities like clothes. I imagine clothes for 8 growing kids is a big expense. I don't know what other expenses TLC paid for but I imagine TLC helped with utilities or Jon and Kate were able to write it off as business expense.

I don't see anything wrong with Kate asking for temporary support. Jon did not give her any warning before cutting off their main source of income. I think they should find a way to support themselves but Kate had no time to prepare for these sudden changes.

Also I think we tend to make assumptions about how much money people make. It wasn't that long ago where the public thought they made $75,000 per episode but really it was $22,000 per episode.

I need to go back to the LKL interview -- but Jon was talking about the after-tax income, and I can't remember whether the $22,500 was his share or the total amount (I think it was just his share)

And I do have a problem with Kate wasting the court's time and her childrens' money with frivilous paperwork -- they're scheduled for both their divorce hearing and an arbitration meeting within 2 weeks. IMO, the request for child support and alimony could have been made concurrent to one of these -- in fact, she will probably ask for permanent child support and alimony at the divorce hearing, since she is asking for full custody. It would take at least 2 weeks for them to put together an order for child support and alimony, especially given the fact that much of Jon's work outside the show has been recent and on several different shows. The only reason it was made separately was for PR purposes -- funny how we hadn't heard about it until her lawyer talked about it in an interview.

 

[madge]

True, things like catering, dry cleaning, and landscaping are not necessities but TLC helped with some necessities like clothes. I imagine clothes for 8 growing kids is a big expense.

the clothes have been provided by Gap and Gymboree, I don't know what (if any) role TLC has in that.

I'm not sure that Gymboree is sending clothes anymore, either. The children haven't been matchy matchy for a while, and when they are, it's been in old lines.

Clothes for the children are an expense -- just ask Michelle Duggar. She's been clothing many children for years, and on a budget, too!

 

[DMRick]

My summary:
Jon told TLC they could no longer film on his property ie. at the house. TLC then suspended all filming until further notice. We don't know who's lying about anything. The divorce isn't final but they have an appointment with the arbitrator on Tuesday to discuss Kate's claims that Jon stole $230,000 from the household bank account. Kate has also filed for temporary child support and alimony -- no word yet on when/if that will be discussed. Jon is still with Haley -- no proof about Steve.

Which side should you be on? The kids' side, as you always have been. Hope you had a great trip.

Thanks for the update. As I said on another thread, I don't believe the kids were exploited. I've always said that. I believe that J & K started the show with good intentions. I'm still not saying it should be stopped because of exploitation, but I do believe the public arguing is what should stop the show..even if untill all is straightened out (which if push comes to shove, I don't think will happen anytime soon, so I guess I now think it's bye bye show). I still prefer Kate over Jon, as far as behavior goes, unless we find out for real that she has lied also or in addition to Jon, but I want her to get her own job now and her and Jon go only through mediation and it be kept between them and the mediator. The kids shouldn't have to read the arguments in the rag mags. All divorced couples go through trials and tribulations, but this has become way more than that.

 

[madge]

I don't see anything wrong with Kate asking for temporary support. Jon did not give her any warning before cutting off their main source of income. I think they should find a way to support themselves but Kate had no time to prepare for these sudden changes.

Kate isn't the only one effected by the lack of income. Jon has rent and a car to pay for, too.

He has to know there's money somewhere .. I can't imagine he would allow there to be nothing available to care for the children. Maybe he would. Stranger things have certainly happened.

 

[DMRick]

Yikes..you gave me a ton more info. This is really turnng into a mess..and I think it will continue to be a mess, because there is money (lots of it) involved.
I have to admit, I'm really curious if it's proven that Jon did take the money (and wasn't supposed to), or that Kate lied and he didn't (which will make her look really bad). I think if that is cleared up, it will say a lot about one of them.


Thanks for the welcome home and all the info.

Doris, you're back! I've missed you! Yes, there has been a WHOLE lot going on in Gosselin-land! Good luck trying to read all the pages you've missed in the last 2 weeks!! The thread has been moving quickly, much like it did when J&K made their divorce announcement. Anyhow, here's my 2 cents worth...

Jon got himself a new swanky, I mean skanky, lawyer Mark Heller. With this new lawyer, Jon has an epiphany...he needs to get his kids off tv NOW. With the divorce going on, he feels it's unhealthy and claims that the kids want normal lives. We also learned that last year J&K made 1 million bucks, about $25,000 per episode. Jon wants to communicate with Kate and work out this mess which is why he wants to put the brakes on the divorce.

Kate doesn't want to stop the show. She claims she regulary checks in with the kids to see if they want to continue. She further claims that Jon has never expressed (in the past) a desire for the kids to stop filming.

Jon had a sign posted on the gate of their home in PA that basically said TLC isn't allowed to film on the property. Apparently TLC never got the necessary permits to allow filming on J&K's property. Kate ripped the sign down days later.

Kate accused Jon of nearly wiping out their household bank account leaving her only $1000 to pay the bills. She claims he's taken $230,000 since August. Jon is disputing that claim and it's a giant royal mess. There's a hearing scheduled for this week with an arbitrator (or a judge?) because Kate filed papers against Jon for taking the money out of their account without her consent (a stipulation in J&K's arbitration agreeement). Kate went on a talk show (can't remember which) to say that she has a stack of bills to pay and Jon hasn't left her any money. Come to find out, Jon also pays a lot of the bills too including $7500 for the mortgage. We also learned tht TLC pays for many of their expenses like landscaping, wardrobe, catering and such.

Kate has recently just filed for custody of the kids and temporary spousal support from Jon.

There isn't any proof that she and Steve are having an affair.

Jon is still with Hailey, his soulmate, and apparently is adopting her Jewish beliefs. He claims she's his rock and can depend on her entirely. As far as Jon's schedule goes, Hailey is in charge of it.

Oh Doris, there's more, much more garbage and it's just disgusting. I think J&K have completely lost touch with what is best for their kids. They are both so blinded right now with spite for one another, that their lawyer fees will probably eat up all their $ from the show. It's very sad.

 

[madge]

oh.... this is getting very interesting! Jon has filed papers, and apparently did it days ago.

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/10/79587/index.html

the court papers:

http://www.etonline.com/documents/gosselinexchange_ins.pdf

 

[hbkfan637]

I need to go back to the LKL interview -- but Jon was talking about the after-tax income, and I can't remember whether the $22,500 was his share or the total amount (I think it was just his share)

It's $22,500 for the entire family. Here's the link for LKL.

J. GOSSELIN: Just the show?

Maybe a million dollars after...

KING: Compared to profit.

J. GOSSELIN: After taxes it's $500,000 divided by 10.

KING: And Kate also made a million?

J. GOSSELIN: No.

KING: A million for both of you.

J. GOSSELIN: It's -- the -- the agreement is the Gosselin family. We're not -- it's not broken out. That's what we made -- $22,500 per episode.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/01/lkl.01.html

the clothes have been provided by Gap and Gymboree, I don't know what (if any) role TLC has in that.

I'm not sure that Gymboree is sending clothes anymore, either. The children haven't been matchy matchy for a while, and when they are, it's been in old lines.

Clothes for the children are an expense -- just ask Michelle Duggar. She's been clothing many children for years, and on a budget, too!

I didn't know about Gymboree and Gap. Jon said TLC paid for wardrobe so I thought it meant for the entire family. I don't know if its fair to compare the Duggars to the Gosselins because they're kids are different ages. Hand me downs can help cut the clothing expense.

Thanks for the update. As I said on another thread, I don't believe the kids were exploited. I've always said that. I believe that J & K started the show with good intentions. I'm still not saying it should be stopped because of exploitation, but I do believe the public arguing is what should stop the show..even if untill all is straightened out (which if push comes to shove, I don't think will happen anytime soon, so I guess I now think it's bye bye show). I still prefer Kate over Jon, as far as behavior goes, unless we find out for real that she has lied also or in addition to Jon, but I want her to get her own job now and her and Jon go only through mediation and it be kept between them and the mediator. The kids shouldn't have to read the arguments in the rag mags. All divorced couples go through trials and tribulations, but this has become way more than that.

Welcome back! Hope you had a great trip! One more thing we found out is that TLC and Kate are/were working on another show for her in 2010. Hopefully they're still working on it so she'll have a job that doesn't involve the kids or Jon.

 

[madge]

Yikes..you gave me a ton more info. This is really turnng into a mess..and I think it will continue to be a mess, because there is money (lots of it) involved.
I have to admit, I'm really curious if it's proven that Jon did take the money (and wasn't supposed to), or that Kate lied and he didn't (which will make her look really bad). I think if that is cleared up, it will say a lot about one of them.

I think we're at the tip of the iceburg with the money issues. I don't think we've even scratched the surface yet.

 

[madge]

I didn't know about Gymboree and Gap. Jon said TLC paid for wardrobe so I thought it meant for the entire family. I don't know if its fair to compare the Duggars to the Gosselins because they're kids are different ages. Hand me downs can help cut the clothing expense.

they can cut the expense, but still .. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar have made budgeting an art form.

other large families clothe their children as well. the Gosselin children wear uniforms to school now, so that alleviates the need for as many clothes.

 

[redrosesix]

Thanks for the update. As I said on another thread, I don't believe the kids were exploited. I've always said that. I believe that J & K started the show with good intentions. I'm still not saying it should be stopped because of exploitation, but I do believe the public arguing is what should stop the show..even if untill all is straightened out (which if push comes to shove, I don't think will happen anytime soon, so I guess I now think it's bye bye show). I still prefer Kate over Jon, as far as behavior goes, unless we find out for real that she has lied also or in addition to Jon, but I want her to get her own job now and her and Jon go only through mediation and it be kept between them and the mediator. The kids shouldn't have to read the arguments in the rag mags. All divorced couples go through trials and tribulations, but this has become way more than that.

Yup -- it's way too much for the kids to have all of this out there. Yes, many families go through divorce but it isn't often that the kids know everything, or will be able to look it up 20 years from now online.

The back and forth bickering, and legal posturing have brought this divorce to a whole new level of crazy. It's sometimes hard to believe that they're not fighting over something more intrinsic, like the safety of their children. IMO, many divorces become nasty for good reason, but that is not the case here.

 

[hbkfan637]

Kate isn't the only one effected by the lack of income. Jon has rent and a car to pay for, too.

He has to know there's money somewhere .. I can't imagine he would allow there to be nothing available to care for the children. Maybe he would. Stranger things have certainly happened.

They both said most of the money is in a revocable trust for the kids. I think it was Jon who said 80% of their money is in that trust. He said on The Insider that he would dip into that trust if they needed the money. He was asked if they would need to and he said yes.

 

[madge]

After reading Jon's Answer & Counterclaim ... yikes. Even if it's only partially true... and Kate's been hiding money while accusing Jon of the same? If Jon's accusation from weeks ago turns out to be true? Wow.

Mousey was soooo right in a post upthread. The lawyers in this case are making a KILLING.

 

[redrosesix]

oh.... this is getting very interesting! Jon has filed papers, and apparently did it days ago.

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/10/79587/index.html

the court papers:

http://www.etonline.com/documents/gosselinexchange_ins.pdf

Like you said Madge, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I have to say I wasn't surprised to see that Jon had released these documents. He's been saying the same thing all week, but IMO Mark Momjian going out there and talking about Kate needing temporary child support because Jon had (he alleged) wiped out their bank account was pushing it a bit, especially with the meeting with the arbitrator coming up in just days.

Having said that, neither the judge nor the arbitrator are going to care who is winning in the court of public opinion. They should all shut up.

 

[LoraJ]

Like you said Madge, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I have to say I wasn't surprised to see that Jon had released these documents. He's been saying the same thing all week, but IMO Mark Momjian going out there and talking about Kate needing temporary child support because Jon had (he alleged) wiped out their bank account was pushing it a bit, especially with the meeting with the arbitrator coming up in just days.

Having said that, neither the judge nor the arbitrator are going to care who is winning in the court of public opinion. They should all shut up.

Too true!

 

[redrosesix]

They both said most of the money is in a revocable trust for the kids. I think it was Jon who said 80% of their money is in that trust. He said on The Insider that he would dip into that trust if they needed the money. He was asked if they would need to and he said yes.

We don't know whether it was placed in a trust for tax planning purposes, or because, as was rumoured, Kate poured money into those trusts as she prepared to file for divorce since judges will sometimes exempt these funds from the disposition of marital assets.

After reading Jon's Answer & Counterclaim ... yikes. Even if it's only partially true... and Kate's been hiding money while accusing Jon of the same? If Jon's accusation from weeks ago turns out to be true? Wow.

But Jon also has no access to the banking information other than what was provided in Kate's original claim and the information that was passed on to the arbitrator. For example, Kate may indeed have deposited her $7500 per month.