Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[Eeyore'sthebest]

Having said that, I used to work in a mental hospital, and after that worked for many years with homeless people (most of whom were mentally ill or addicts) so I really hate to throw diagnoses like that around about a person that we don't even know. But I can imagine there are some on this thread who would be absolutely gleeful if it was found out that Jon was mentally ill and had his children taken away from him forever.

As much as I agree with you, I would really hate that someone would think this. My whole thought is that, if he is mentally ill, that he gets the help he needs to have a good, healthy relationship with his children. I'm a stepmother to 2 girls who's mother is severely bipolar. She has definitely messed the girls up no matter how much we intervened. They lived with us for quite a while until she realized she needed child support and the girls were old enough to work and support her. Unfortunately they were also old enough to go to court and say that didn't like living with us (too many rules ). She got them back. One supports her completely now at the ripe old age of 21 and the older is in a state psychiatric hospital. Her mother did a number on her. I've personally seen the damage and it effects my DH on a daily basis. I wish nothing but the best for Jon, Kate and the kids. If he needs help, I hope he gets it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I guess I hold the posters here in higher esteem than to assume they would be JOYFUL over the downfall of Jon involving diagnosis of mental illness and removal of children. (I find it downright crass to make that accusation in the first place against fellow DISers.)

I would simply be happy if both parties behaved like adults.

Jon is immature--and immaturity is not a mental illness last time I checked.

 

[Nancy]

The nanny that was screaming at the kids the other day -- apparently on last night's show as Kate's best friend, we've been looking at pictures of the Gosselins and posts about them on her wall for the last couple of hours.

Interesting about your dad though -- never knew antidepressants could cause that type of side-effect. Did they find another medication that worked for him?

Having said that, I used to work in a mental hospital, and after that worked for many years with homeless people (most of whom were mentally ill or addicts) so I really hate to throw diagnoses like that around about a person that we don't even know. But I can imagine there are some on this thread who would be absolutely gleeful if it was found out that Jon was mentally ill and had his children taken away from him forever.

I actually think there are a lot more here that would be happy if Kate were declared an unfit mom and had the kids taken away from her.

I don't think Jon is mentally ill by a long shot. I think he is immature and has made big mistakes in who he is listening to and choosing as friends.

 

[Eeyore'sthebest]

I don't think Jon is mentally ill by a long shot. I think he is immature and has made big mistakes in who he is listening to and choosing as friends.

I've got an ex-BIL like that. My Dniece still loves him to death even though he's never getting "Father of the Year".

 

[redrosesix]

I guess I hold the posters here in higher esteem than to assume they would be JOYFUL over the downfall of Jon involving diagnosis of mental illness and removal of children. (I find it downright crass to make that accusation in the first place against fellow DISers.)

No, you're right -- I wouldn't think that of any of the regular posters. So I'm sorry if that was too harsh (going back to edit now). But we have had posters jump in to say that they hoped that either Kate or Jon would never be around those kids again. Some of the sentiments against them are absolutely venomous.

And maybe I was reading too many comments on the tabloid articles yesterday there are some people out there with complete and utter hatred towards one or both of them.

IMO, Jon and Kate are the only parents these kids have and it is obvious that they love both of their parents. Which is why the current public war between them bothers me so much -- maybe they're scoring points against each other, but in the long-run this is only going to hurt the kids. Everything they put out there will be available for the kids to hear and read on the internet forever, and it is obvious that they are both aware of this eg. Jon's apology to the girls about their birthday party on the Insider (didn't see it myself, but it was posted here), Kate saying she was disclosing this information so they would know the truth about their father when she was on the Today Show.

Having said that, we have to remember we are discussing people we don't actually know, who have mostly shown us what they want us to see (whether it's the good things about themselves or the bad things about the other). Add the tabloids into the mix, and in many cases we're making assumptions about their characters based on doubtful information.

If the judge orders Jon to pay back $230,000 today and/or holds him in contempt, then he's a liar. If Kate doesn't get full custody of the kids, then he must be a good father who doesn't get drunk or smoke drugs in front of his kids. I'll make my assumptions based on things like that.

Rant over.

 

[OhMari]

They go to court wed. Kate has the money transfers with the accounts they went into. They are either Jon's or not. I guess they could be someone else's Cayman Island account. But Jon or Kate would have to had made these transfers.

If they are Jons he will be a certifiable crazy person after going on all these show. IMO

I was in the Cayman Island-St. George last month. Me and my girls went shopping, then took a taxi to the 7 Mile Beach. We saw these beautiful mansions, and I asked our taxi driver who owned them. He laughed and said, "crazy American's that hate paying taxes." He also said, most of the homes stand empty, and the owners come around maybe twice a year to stash their money in the banks down here.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I was in the Cayman Island-St. George last month. Me and my girls went shopping, then took a taxi to the 7 Mile Beach. We saw these beautiful mansions, and I asked our taxi driver who owned them. He laughed and said, "crazy American's that hate paying taxes." He also said, most of the homes stand empty, and the owners come around maybe twice a year to stash their money in the banks down here.

This is totally OT, but OhMari, I just read your trip report and your daugthers are beautiful! Looks like you all had a wonderful time together. I have 3 girls of my own and when they're older, I would love to do a mother/daughters trip with them.

 

[newtodis]

I seriously think J&K are pulling more of the proverbial 'wool' over our eyes. I'm guessing there is WAY more $ than either are letting on which is probably why Jon withdrew that $ (which of course he knew Kate would eventually see) because there's much more. Plus we know how Kate is about the money (tightwad), need I remind us of the famous coupon episode?

As for Kate's description of the kid's being devastated that they can't film, well I'll bet she put that question to them in an interesting way...'kids, we can't do anything fun anymore with the TLC crew or go to fun places because Daddy interfered. Won't it be sad that we can't go to NY now with the crew?' She could certainly still make the trip to NY with the kids but apparently only if it's going to be filmed. And why can't the film crew (if they're so close with the Gosselin family) still pop over to play with the kids?

Regarding the money, I think Kate said during the interview that account was their "liquid" money - which I took to mean that's the stuff they could get their hands on right away. I would assume that most of the money is tied into the kid's names so if something happened to the parents, the kids would still have money (probably "gifted" to the children to avoid taxes??) and you can't just go to the bank and take it out. I'm sure there's more money tied up in other accounts and such - just not available at the drop of a hat.

Who knows how Kate phrased it. Maybe they were doing things with the show that you couldn't just walk up and do (I'm thinking like going to the top of the statue - don't you need advanced tickets for that? And I'm thinking she'd need someone to be at the end of the line to make sure all the kids were making it up/down ok - not something she could do alone) or the places didn't want them if they weren't getting the publicity. If it's true that they only had the $1,000 in the account I don't know that I'd be running off to NYC either with 8 kids if I had bills to pay.

I saw that. There is a picture of her sister Chris.

Have to agree that the friend on fb is creepy. Add that in with the picture of her yelling at the kids and it kinda gives me the chills. I wonder how long Kate has known her.

It's kinda weird....you would think (I'm not familiar with how this all works though!) that she (being a J&K employee) would have to sign all the paperwork that Kevin and Jodi said they had to sign about being on the show and the confidentiality agreements (the swimming teachers from NC mentioned those in an interview and I think Stephanie - Jon's sitter mentioned having to sign one). Maybe because they're not filming right now? I'm not sure. It also seems weird that she's (FB friend) claiming to have all the kids when we've seen the "other" nanny dropping the kids at the bus stop. (it would explain yesterday why she only had the twins though maybe)

Its even more weird that when Jon saw the pictures, he called her the Nanny and not Kate's best friend. I thought the angry looking nanny was the best friend we saw on the show last night? Shouldn't Jon know who she is?

I don't know if he's mentally ill but his anger and frustration can be easily seen in all his interviews. His emotions are making him seem like he's all over the place. I heard someone on LKL describe him as a pinball machine and I agree. It's hard for me to take him seriously because he doesn't seem consistent. You know, filming wasn't bad a few weeks ago but it is now. Says he wants to talk and mediate with Kate on The Insider but on ET says he doesn't want to see/talk to her (both shows aired tonight).

I missed the Insider...will have to watch a link (thanks to those who provided them!!). I don't know that Jon would refer to her as a friend - it probably looks better to just call her the nanny. I think Jon's smart enough to know (and has made the accusations himself) that she cuts people out and doesn't allow him to see his family. I don't know that he could say, "oh yeah that's her friend". Kind of goes against everything he's said so far so it's probably better for him to just call her the nanny. (again, haven't seen it so I'm not sure how he reacted...just a thought I had)

 

[newtodis]

Ok...I have another comment about the FB friend (yup I'm doing a little stalking this morning!)

1 - How come no one found these pictures before now??? She's got "Gosselin" and the family stuff all over? You'd think Radar Online or TMZ would have had these months ago!

2 - She's a bit camera crazy (nothing wrong with that at all - I am too but my pictures are pictures of my kids - not me in Kate's car, in Kate's bathroom, ect). She seems like the friend who's snapping pictures of everything and it might come back and haunt you later! (think snapping pictures of all the paperwork in your drawers and selling them when you need the cash )

I really am not trying to judge her - I don't know her or Kate IRL so I have no idea. If she's really been Kate's friend this long and nothing's really leaked, she's probably ok but some of the pictures make me think she's looking for the fame (the "sexy" kind of laying back pictures) as in either a man or model/tv show, something. I don't know....

 

[BabyTigger99]

Just saw on TMZ that there won't be any hearings on the case until next week. The Judge's wife died of cancer.

 

[redrosesix]

Just saw on TMZ that there won't be any hearings on the case until next week. The Judge's wife died of cancer.

That's sad.

But I hope this makes Jon and Kate think about the real priorities in life.

 

[redrosesix]

Ok...I have another comment about the FB friend (yup I'm doing a little stalking this morning!)

1 - How come no one found these pictures before now??? She's got "Gosselin" and the family stuff all over? You'd think Radar Online or TMZ would have had these months ago!

2 - She's a bit camera crazy (nothing wrong with that at all - I am too but my pictures are pictures of my kids - not me in Kate's car, in Kate's bathroom, ect). She seems like the friend who's snapping pictures of everything and it might come back and haunt you later! (think snapping pictures of all the paperwork in your drawers and selling them when you need the cash )

I really am not trying to judge her - I don't know her or Kate IRL so I have no idea. If she's really been Kate's friend this long and nothing's really leaked, she's probably ok but some of the pictures make me think she's looking for the fame (the "sexy" kind of laying back pictures) as in either a man or model/tv show, something. I don't know....

Wow -- you're right -- together we're better than any of the tabloids. But the photo album with the kids' pictures in it is titled October, so these are very, very new.

I have to agree with you about the FB friend -- her profile doesn't look like that of any of our friends. And as somebody pointed out earlier, she obviously knows how to make things private since she has security on some parts of her account.

Her writing about them on her wall bothered me even more than the pictures. Just not typical, like "I have to work this week, but I'm off on the weekend" And what is with the smiley that she's using in her comments? -- here we use that as the "scared" smiley.

 

[Starbrite]

Because Jon didn't recognize her, I'm suspicious about her being Kate's best friend. I would think that since they were married for 10 years, he would know how her best friend looked like. Maybe she is just paid help.

She has pictures of her & Jon together in her album too. Surely he would recognize her if he was giving her piggy back rides around the yard just 3 months ago

2 - She's a bit camera crazy (nothing wrong with that at all - I am too but my pictures are pictures of my kids - not me in Kate's car, in Kate's bathroom, ect). She seems like the friend who's snapping pictures of everything and it might come back and haunt you later! (think snapping pictures of all the paperwork in your drawers and selling them when you need the cash )

I really am not trying to judge her - I don't know her or Kate IRL so I have no idea. If she's really been Kate's friend this long and nothing's really leaked, she's probably ok but some of the pictures make me think she's looking for the fame (the "sexy" kind of laying back pictures) as in either a man or model/tv show, something. I don't know....

In one of her pictures (one of those strange Apps where you tag people). She was voted Most Likely to become famous & on TV....or something along those lines.

Just saw on TMZ that there won't be any hearings on the case until next week. The Judge's wife died of cancer.

That's sad. Hopefully these 2 can manage to remain civil for another week.

...But I can imagine there are people out there who would be absolutely gleeful if it was found out that Jon was mentally ill and had his children taken away from him forever. The current public spectacle has brought out a lot of haters on both sides, but this week Jon is the target of this venom -- I can hardly believe some of the comments I have seen about him throughout the internet.

I believe Jon is having some sort of breakdown, maniac depression episode or something. But I don't think he needs to be taken away from his kids forever. He just needs some help.
My Ex-H did all these same crazy things in the weeks after I filed for divorce. (Drained accounts, emergency hearings, interrupted vacations, etc) While it would be nice for my benefit if he took a flying leap off a short bridge...I would never wish him away from our kids forever. He was diagnosed & treated for depression. Once he got it under control...well, he's tolerable now & easier to work with (Trying to be nice here). If Jon gets himself under control....then they can have the co-parenting conversations he's looking for. In the meantime, they'd be useless.

 

[LoraJ]

The nanny that was screaming at the kids the other day -- apparently on last night's show as Kate's best friend, we've been looking at pictures of the Gosselins and posts about them on her wall for the last couple of hours.

Interesting about your dad though -- never knew antidepressants could cause that type of side-effect. Did they find another medication that worked for him?

Having said that, I used to work in a mental hospital, and after that worked for many years with homeless people (most of whom were mentally ill or addicts) so I really hate to throw diagnoses like that around about a person that we don't even know. But I can imagine there are people out there who would be absolutely gleeful if it was found out that Jon was mentally ill and had his children taken away from him forever. The current public spectacle has brought out a lot of haters on both sides, but this week Jon is the target of this venom -- I can hardly believe some of the comments I have seen about him throughout the internet.

I would not be gleeful if it turns out he is mentally ill. If it was found out that he was, I would hope he gets the meds/help he needs so that his erratic behavior stops.

You can hardly believe the stuff spewed about Jon on the internet, does that mean you think Kate deserves the ten times more crap that is out there about her? The GWOP site is downright scary and it is no wonder she needs a bodyguard.

The nanny that was screaming at the kids the other day -- apparently on last night's show as Kate's best friend, we've been looking at pictures of the Gosselins and posts about them on her wall for the last couple of hours.

Did you guys look at all the photos of her "screaming" at the kids? In sequence it did not look so traumatic. One of the girls (Alexis?) was crying and had her hand on her arm I think. One of the boys (whomever she had her hand on his arm) had an object in his hand. I am guessing that he was hitting his sister with that. The sitter got to eye level with him probably telling him not to hit his sister. The photos after that show her comforting the crying one. Yes, she's so horrible. Let's just allow children to whack each other with objects.

I actually think there are a lot more here that would be happy if Kate were declared an unfit mom and had the kids taken away from her.

I don't think Jon is mentally ill by a long shot. I think he is immature and has made big mistakes in who he is listening to and choosing as friends.

How true, how true!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

It was also weird he had not seen the pictures with the Nanny. We know more than he does about what is going on. He may not know about everyone seeing the court papers with all the transactions from that account.

Am I the only one who is thinking he is mentally ill?

I don't think Jon is mental, I do think he follows the advice of people that are only out to use him for his name or money.

I always figured TLC was footing the bill for a lot of the expenses...figured that was part of the pay for doing the show.

I sure do wonder what tomorrow will bring.

I figure they pay for some things too, but not everything as some people insist on. The Roloff's get accused of not paying for anything either and Matt Roloff has stated that TLC pays for very little.

The nanny that was screaming at the kids the other day -- apparently on last night's show as Kate's best friend, we've been looking at pictures of the Gosselins and posts about them on her wall for the last couple of hours.

I have missed how we know that this woman is Kate's friend. Did Kate say this or was there a picture or something? Can someone please give me the run down?

Here are my predictions:

1) The judge WILL make Jon replace the money.
2) The judge WILL NOT make Jon sell his Mercedes and BMW.

Did Kate ask for anything else or was that it?

ETA: re: The Insider pt. 2. Did Jon just say that they MAY have to dip into the funds set aside for the kids? I hope I heard that wrong.

I think Kate only asked the vehicles be sold if he cannot come up with the money. Dipping into the kid's money is just wrong!

I actually think there are a lot more here that would be happy if Kate were declared an unfit mom and had the kids taken away from her.

I don't think a lot would be happy but 1 or 2 seem like they would.

The GWOP site is downright scary and it is no wonder she needs a bodyguard.

ITA! I also think Jon's bodyguard is needed right now too.


As far as the judge's wife dying, my heart goes out to him. I hate cancer.

 

[WaltD4Me]

She has pictures of her & Jon together in her album too. Surely he would recognize her if he was giving her piggy back rides around the yard just 3 months ago

Yes, you would think.

But then again, what sounds better, or I should say, what sounds worse, when it's Kate custody and they ask Jon who is with the kids? "A nanny." or "a very good friend of Kate's."

 

[Starbrite]

I have missed how we know that this woman is Kate's friend. Did Kate say this or was there a picture or something? Can someone please give me the run down?

The pics were already up of the Nanny yelling at the kids. Monday night when the show aired, Kate introduced us to her bestest friend Jamie....which we recognized as the nanny from the pics. Further research (ok - Stalking ) brought us to nanny friend's Facebook profile which confirmed everything.

 

[mousey]

So its okay for Kate to give some um tearful interviews on the Early Show, Regis & Kelly, The View and Larry King, but if Jon gives an interview he's mentally ill?? Kate contradicts herself several times by saying she has no money but she's getting a new ring to I took some money too, but I put it back and I might of spent some on my $70,000 SUV but I can't remember, but Jon isn't entitled to any money??

Kate is ticked because Jon let the cat out of the bag. TLC was paying for a lot of their expenses and with the show suspended, no pay!! I find it hard to believe that a trained nurse would want to work at McDonald's to feed her kids--maybe she meant to say she wanted to buy McDonald's as an investment for her kids!!

I don't think Jon makes the best decisions, but I can do no wrong Kate is just to blame. They both are guilty of spending money foolishly. Is Kate still being protected by Steve?? Who is paying his salary if TLC isn't?? She is a reality tv person, A list stars travel around without a bodyguard. Those kids could defend themselves--hasn't anyone seen them beat each other up??

If what Jon did was so bad, why haven't they arrested him????

Bad Jon cut the ties with TLC and Kate plus 8 couldn't visit NY. Why should Kate have to pay for hotel, food and transportation like the rest of us?? She is a "movie star" at least she thinks she is one! Give me a break, this women has been scamming the system for 5 yrs now--enough is enough!!!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

The pics were already up of the Nanny yelling at the kids. Monday night when the show aired, Kate introduced us to her bestest friend Jamie....which we recognized as the nanny from the pics. Further research (ok - Stalking ) brought us to nanny friend's Facebook profile which confirmed everything.

I saw the pics of the nanny correcting Collin. I had to record Monday night's show and haven't had the chance to watch, makes sense now.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

 

[LoraJ]

Perhaps Kate is hoping to postpone the trip for when filming can resume. If it the show never does go back on, I hope she does the right thing and takes them anyway.

While I wish she would stop crying on TV, I still think she looks like the better person at this point.