Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[tuckerkeys]

i bet it is to announce they are going to marriage counceling.....

 

[mickey&minnie04]

I really must step away from this thread. I have never heard of so many "perfect" parents in my life! All I can read is "I would NEVER deny my thirsty child", "a whistle is fun outside toy, put down the phone and play with your kids" Wow! I should meet Kate, because I too am an awful mother. Have I spanked my kids, you bet. Have I sat on the phone with a friend and told my kids to stop doing something, you bet. Have I drank/ate something without sharing with my kid, you bet. Must be so nice to sit and judge someone, who you don't know, so harshly. You all bash Kate, calling her all types of names and put out all types of accusations and sleep well at night? She is judged on her parenting style, fashion style, hair style, pronunciation of words, vacations, pulling kids out of school (which so many of you all do for your Disney vacations), it goes on and on. This is what's wrong with our world. What ever happened to kindness, good will towards others? Don't judge someone until you've walked in their shoes. None of you have a CLUE as to who the Gosselin's are. You know what a tv show wants you to know and pictures the papparazzi show. That is nothing. Must be so nice to be as perfect as all of you claim to be. I can't hold a candle to any of you.

Very well said & I agree with you 100 %!!

 

[DreaGirl]

Or..the new announcement is, that the crooked houses are going in the BACK yard and Jon is going to live in them..and you see him walking towards the houses carrying his pillow and blankie!

 

[kritter]

Check out the prices for these houses::

http://www.kidscrookedhouse.com/Playhouses.aspx

I think based on the newest commercial we are not going to see the crocked house episode the one that I saw is not previewing the crocked houses!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MichelleVW]

All I can say to this is I don't care how many cameras started rolling...my thirsty child would ALWAYS get a drink of water when she asked for one. Not in 45 minutes, but NOW. It's not the end of the world to wait a few minutes for water, of course...but it's also completely normal to provide WATER for your kids whenever they ask for it, rather than expecting them to sit there under the lights, silent and still, for God only knows how long. And I certainly wouldn't get some for myself, drink it in front of her, and then put it down as she whines that she's thirsty. That is just sick, sick, sick. She isn't doing this "for the kids"...she is USING those kids for her own personal gain. Period. I used to feel sympathy for her, but now she has completely gone off the deep end and is a total narcissist. Kate needs serious help, and I hope those poor kids get some sort of respite from their "work"/lives in the very near future. PLEASE, can't someone regulate this child labor?? Ugh.

ALWAYS with a capital ALWAYS? Seriously, you've never told your kids to hold on a minute....that's all Kate did. And yes...I realize Kate took a drink....but in my opinion that wasn't as cruel and heartless as people seem to think.

I say worry about things that matter.....not one stupid drink of water..

 

[longstangetrip]

ALWAYS with a capital ALWAYS? Seriously, you've never told your kids to hold on a minute....that's all Kate did. And yes...I realize Kate took a drink....but in my opinion that wasn't as cruel and heartless as people seem to think.

I say worry about things that matter.....not one stupid drink of water..

Like what?

 

[MichelleVW]

Like what?

I haven't had enough coffee to come up with a coherent answer yet but telling an overdramatic child that she has to wait for water isn't something that matters to me....

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Or..the new announcement is, that the crooked houses are going in the BACK yard and Jon is going to live in them..and you see him walking towards the houses carrying his pillow and blankie!

Now THAT I would believe!

Some moms aren't able to do that. I know my mom isn't

I know but I still wish it could happen, Kate does need someone's help.

Nice to see you again!

I haven't had enough coffee to come up with a coherent answer yet but telling an overdramatic child that she has to wait for water isn't something that matters to me....

I seriously do not wake up well and it takes me a little time to think clearly! Maybe after your coffee you'll think Kate is a monster Mom! I'm kidding of course. Enjoy your coffee.

 

[DMRick]

Like what?

Like, I've just got my finger stuck in the side of a folding chair, Mommy and I think I pulled off my fingernail. Now that would get my immediate attention. Or, I'm about to throw up..that's another one that gets my attention. Those are immediate things to me.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Like, I've just got my finger stuck in the side of a folding chair, Mommy and I think I pulled off my fingernail. Now that would get my immediate attention. Or, I'm about to throw up..that's another one that gets my attention. Those are immediate things to me.

Ugh! I hate that one! My girls are famous for calling out my name and then instantly spraying vomit everywhere like a scene from The Exorcist! I still have trouble cleaning it all up without gagging! Yes, that one ALWAYS gets my attention.

 

[newtodis]

In Kate's statement to the magazine, she did not elaborate any further other than saying she disciplined Leah as she felt was appropriate. IMO, that is confirming what the article says is true.

Kate has mentioned spanking in her speeches, but doesn't want it shown on JK8. Why that is, I don't know.

I have to say I give Kate credit for sticking to her "plan" if this is how they discipline all the time (like levels - asking, time out, spanking, whatever).

That's the bottom line. They could end it all in a short time. End the show, stay out of the front yard, pull your cars in the garage (isn't it a 6 car garage?), put up some blinds, don't alert the media to your whereabouts, don't do dumb stuff that screams "look at me". Smile and wave if someone says hello.

I think (JMHO) that if they (J&K) kind of went back to the "normal" attitude of being "regular" people (saying hello, having friends over, stopping to talk with people in the store, whatever), it might help things out.

Sheesh, I'm so tired of the argument that J&K need the show in order to survive. They can make it work just like tons of other large families. Sure they'd have to cut corners but we already know Kate loves her coupons. It seems ridiculous to me to assume that unless they do the show, they will not be able to provide for their kids. As far as college goes, that's far down the road and there's nothing wrong with the kids taking out loans if they need to or working summer jobs to make $. Since when is a college education supposed to be handed to your kids on a silver platter?

I agree with parts of this. Personally, I think they'll need a year or two's money to survive on until the hype passes over and they can get "real" jobs again. If Kate were looking to make money, she'd be hot on the heels of writing another book, coming up with her own line of clothes/cell phone accessories/sun glasses/purses/perfume/scrapbook stuff/something to let them all have income if/ehwn the show comes to an end. I do think they could make it as "normal" people, but not initially and I still think they would get "free" stuff. I can imagine Kate calling to make reservations at Disney and magically being upgraded, VIP guide, something. They're not going to ever be me who's just hoping CMs say "Happy Birthday" to my DH and DS4 while we're at Disney next month.

I think it was in poor taste that the magazine ran it! Especially to put that on the cover.

Totally agree!!

I'm wondering why don't they just put up a privacy fence?

YES!! Or plant trees/shrubs/bushes or put up some kind of tent-ish, gazeebo-ish thing if they want to play outside. I know the p people will do what they've got to do to get a picture but it seems if they really wanted to get away from them, J&K (or TLC or the security company) would take precautions. I'm wondering what the job of the security company is - to strictly provide bosyguards only or to help advise on how to make situations the family is in as safe as possible???

Just curious..is this a bad thing Kate has done, or a good thing (it's hard for me to tell sometimes)? I barely saw it mentioned. I assume she could have kept it but decided to donate it:

'In yesterday’s episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8, the Gosselins were visited by American Chopper’s Junior and Mikey Teutul. In the show, the guys gave Kate a colorful pink Vespa which was later donated to the Ronald McDonald House.'


Slow down everyone..I still have two foster kittens and I have to take off shortly for the adoption clinic! I don't want to read tons of pages when I get back LOL!

Have to say I watched Monday's episode last night. I'm so much more confused at it seems OCC had one story, J&K had another and the two shows almost had two different stories. Of the two, I enjoyed the OCC show much more than Monday's show personally.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/17/kate-and-8-plus-jon/

Kate looks "normal" again - a Kate that looks like that I can more relate to.

It is not child abuse or neglect by any stretch but is SO un-nurturing and so un-motherly.

That's your opinion and we disagree - respectfully I hope. I've denied my children things and they're just fine. Do I feel like less of a mom because of it? Nope....kids need boundries and to learn patience....I wouldn't reward a whining child but that's just me.

Sitting quietly - under those hot lights - for who knows how many "takes" -(as 8 little "props" while Kate) is doing the majority of the talking is work for those kids.. They weren't playing in their yard; they weren't at an amusement park; they weren't running around with their dogs - they were working..

I personally think it is terrible that anyone would refer to a child as a "prop". I know we disagree and I hope we can do so respectfully. Yes the lights are hot - we had them here at my office (posted about it on the last J&K+8 thread) but we also had the AC set very low to offset the heat certainly making it bearable. My kids don't get to run around and play all the time - yes they "work". They have chores and other tasks throughout the day they are expected to work on.

Kate didn't ask for any water until Mady had asked for it several times. If she was unwilling to give Mady water she shouldn't have taken a drink either until the interview was over.

Kate seemed very distracted the entire time like she was listening to someone off camera and trying to speak with them as well so maybe she wasn't listening to what Mady was saying - only hearing her talking? I tell my boys all the time "I don't understand "whine". When you can speak English, come back and try again". Maybe I'm a terrible mom (and I'm ok with that - I'm "mean and evil" according to DS4) but I've been known to tune my kids out every now and again. I posted a few pages back that I'm dealing with some of the things I think Kate is dealing with in regards to her marriage and know how easily my mind drifts to something else even here at work. Just yesterday someone was talking to me and I must have looked like I was paying attention to them but honestly didn't hear a word they said - I was off in my own world thinking about something else. Thankfully I had another friend with me to fill me in on what I missed!

BTW, I am always glad to read here. Lots of opinions, that's OK.

I love the opinions here too!! So many Eagel Eyes that see things I don't or see things another way! I've certainly put more thought into different situations I've seen on the show and things I've done in my life because of the different opinions.

All I can say to this is I don't care how many cameras started rolling...my thirsty child would ALWAYS get a drink of water when she asked for one. Not in 45 minutes, but NOW. It's not the end of the world to wait a few minutes for water, of course...but it's also completely normal to provide WATER for your kids whenever they ask for it, rather than expecting them to sit there under the lights, silent and still, for God only knows how long.

I have to say you must be a much better mom than I who has a lot more time in her day than I do. We live in the South and I'm a mom who believes kids should be outside playing - I don't care if it's 96 degrees today or not. You can still spend half an hour outside with your friends before coming to play inside. DS4 (who I will let play outside in the yard where I can see him alone with his friends - no adult in the immediate area is what I'm trying to say) will pop his head in and ask for water for him and his friends. I don't drop what I'm doing and run to get them water right then. They can wait until I'm done with what I'm doing (if it's not going to be a really long time) or go try their luck with another mom (which isn't usually any better than with me! ). I know being hot outside and playing isn't a direct comparision to the ligths in a studio, but as I said above, I'm sure the AC was set quite low to offset the heat from the lights to make it more bearable than the heat and humidity I send my kids outside to play in. Even when they're playing in the house, I don't drop everything and run when I get a request - a drink of water or whatever - unless someone's seriously hurt like bleeding. I can't always get up and run and get whatever I want, DS4 will not be able to just get up and get whatever he wants during the day at school (something Mady should be used to) so he needs to learn to wait until the appropriate time. JMHO and I know we disagree on that...

Add me to the list of terrible mothers as I have denied my children their requests many, many times. I don't think the clip showed Kate in the best light. Yes, she drank the water and didn't share, yes, she drank the water without giving it the child first. However, be honest, if you have more than 1 child you know what would happen. As soon as you give to one, the others want to, even if they haven't asked. A lot of time would have been needed to give 8 kids a drink, and as I said, there is no "just a minute" in live tv.

In my opinion, everyone needs to relax. The child wasn't in a hot car or left outside, she certainly wasn't dehydrated. Was she thirsty, tired, bored, done with it all, miserable.....yes, but her mother didn't deny her anything, she was asked to wait. Because Kate took the drink, she looks bad. I don't know about anyone else, but when I speak publicly, I need a drink of water. Also, Kate did try to give the kid water, someone off camera said there was no time.

Agreed!

I have never bashed her or called her names

I think the statement was misunderstood and at times many involved in this thread (and others I've been on) take things personally - either comments made by other posters or things said that were meant as a "general you" instead of intended for a specific person. Families and kids are "hot" topics and everyone has an opinion. The wonderful thing about it is that we can all raise our families how we want (law abiding of course!) and are all free to share our opinions!

I certainly hope I've never "bashed" anyone and I don't recall any name calling. It certainly wasn't my intention if that ever occured from me.

I think it provides balance and makes for a lively discussion here. Ladies, don't we have a good time?

So true! When I first jumped into this thread, I thought it was a Kate love-fest (sorry guys!). It seems that things flip - flop as do people's views which isn't a bad thing at all! I think we have a great time here and am thankful people are comfortable enough to share their thoughts and opinions in a kind and respectful manner.

I've been involved with this thread for about 10 months, long before the paparazzi circus began. At that time, it was heavier with fans .. but it was then as it is now, a healthy (albeit heated) debate about the show. Most of the time I was outnumbered in my opinions, and more than once I felt like I needed to step back from the thread because I was made to feel so awful because I wasn't a Kate lover. But I've always loved this thread because it makes me think. And it makes me sad when people go, especially ones with a differing opinion.

Totally agreed - especially the bolded part. Like I said, when I first jumped in, it "seemed" like a Kate love-fest and I'm not a Kate lover or hater. But, I think I "fit" here which is great for me!

I hope and pray that this is the case. I've said all along that I hope that Jon and Kate have people in their lives that have their (Jon and Kate's) best interests in mind and are helping them steer their way through this journey. Some that cares about them, and not trying to earn a living off their success. One of the saddest things I think I've ever read was when Kate said that their circle had gotten so small that they were surrounded by mostly "people" (publishers, nannies, et al) and there was little mention of friends, at least from Kate.

Agreed - I hope everyone - Jon, Kate and the 8 all have people in their lives who care about them. I have to say if Cara and Mady are going to friend's houses for play dates and such, those parents are doing a good job - no p people taking pictures at their house, parents calling to share "their side" of the stories, no pictures surfacing from those parents. Glad they're in a "safe" circle. I think now if someone stepped out in support (just because of timing I feel) there would be incredible speculation (just like when someone comes out with "their side" - good or bad) that they were compensated in some way for their "side". Now had Beth or someone been keeping a blog, journal or something this entire time, I would think that would be more credable instead of just popping up now. It would also seem that TLC, her publisher, sponsors or someone would have put out a statement in regards to their aspects of interaction with them highlighting the positives - if not only for getting their product out there as being a sponsor of the show.

I think it's a sad day when you have to call and "beg" your friends to continue to be your friends.....I would think (only think because I've never called and ask anyone to remain my friend) that they're not "good" friends if you have to call and ask them to stick by you. I would think a "good" friend would stick by you regardless of how many times your picture is taken and would buy the magazines and a couple of bottles of wine, come over for a drink to laugh at the pictures and throw the magazines in the fire place once you've laughed at them!

What's even sadder to me is that her family seems to be out of the picture. I wish her Mom would just step in and counsel her. Regardless of what has passed between them. She needs serious help with all of this. As far as Jon goes, I think he's already made his decision to move on if you ask me.

My family is essentially "out of the picture" and I couldn't imagine any of them calling me up to counsel me on anything these days. Heck, my mom didn't even answer the phone when DS4 and 2 called to wish her a Happy Mother's Day. Some people just don't have that connection with their family. Would I love to have a "tv family" where we're all close and can talk and stuff? Heck yeah. I don't see it happening any time soon though!

I think that it's good the cops were called by Kate (or someone with her) and not about Kate. The paps need to give those people some space.

Amen! Miley Cyrus (sp?) has been about 45 minutes from our house filming a new movie. She's expected to be here for a couple of months during the filming process. Now she's only been here like two weeks (I think! I don't follow Miley too closely ) and from the moment she arrived, there have been pictures in the paper of her jet skiing with Nick Jonas (I think?? again don't follow them - just catch it on the news every now and again!) and just this morning they reported that three paps were arrested for tresspassing. I would think Kate could have the same things done if they were anywhere near her property. I'm just thankfully she hasn't turned "Drew Peterson" on us carrying her own camera around too!

I just saw the commercial for the upcoming episode.....Sorry, it was already discussed today. Are we supposed to believe that they are splitting up????!!!?!

Haven't seen it!

I hope those phone calls include her Mom as well.

I am honestly surprised with as much information that's out there about this family they haven't had their cell records leaked.

Also, do they get mail at their house??? I can't imagine they do. With that long driveway the paps would be through it by the time anyone got there to actually get the mail.

One side puts out rumors and on and on 'till you can't remember all the spin you've heard and read, only that it gets more ridiculous as time goes on.

I'm glad Jon removed himself from the media circus. I wish Kate would do the same, or at least take the kids out of the spotlight. It's uncomfortable to wade through all the rumors on both sides and then TLC wants us to watch them do "happy" (manufactured/fake?) times and expects us to buy it.

I wish they would finally just come clean with the truth, even if they don't have to do it for us (the public), and even if there are 40 show episodes promised to TLC.

Totally agree with the bolded statement!

Jon somewhere I read got attornies to take care of the medie - when I read that I wondered if it was just for him, for the kids, for the family, who was involved with that....

ratings dropping, and suddenly there's a new announcement/decision in the next episode of Kate Plus 8? shocking.

Not really!!

Some moms aren't able to do that. I know my mom isn't

Mine either...I probably wouldn't know what to do if the phone rang and it was my mom. Of course, we don't have that relationship and don't think (based on our expereinces together) that she's the person I should take advice from....

 

[Mom2Nick]

Ugh! I hate that one! My girls are famous for calling out my name and then instantly spraying vomit everywhere like a scene from The Exorcist! I still have trouble cleaning it all up without gagging! Yes, that one ALWAYS gets my attention.

ALL three of mine do that I get no warning and I have a very weak stomach. Last year my 8 yo came in around 2 am, tapped me on the shoulder to wake me up, said "Mom I'm not feeling so goo...." and threw up on my head. I have since told them to go to the bathroom, throw up THEN cry for me

 

[newtodis]

Or, I'm about to throw up..that's another one that gets my attention. Those are immediate things to me.

Ugh! I hate that one! My girls are famous for calling out my name and then instantly spraying vomit everywhere like a scene from The Exorcist! I still have trouble cleaning it all up without gagging! Yes, that one ALWAYS gets my attention.

I just wanted to thank both of you for those thoughts this morning! I don't do vomit - that's DH's job for sure. He's a "medical professional" (as he calls himself) so it's only right that he deal with that!

Pictures from TLC:

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/slideshows/american-chopper-visit.html

ETA: Did anyone notice the J&K stuff is on sale?? I think there was a little pop up in the corner of Monday's episode but I noticed this morning when I went to look at that pictures. Does anyone know where they got the water bottles in picture 10 (picnic table with Mikey)??? They are cute!

I read this article in Parents magazine this morning. It's about the sextuplets on WE tv. The magazine had a little blurb by one of the pictures that one of the editors or someone (sorry can't remember the details!!) is going to have a special on like July 16 (I'll have to go home and re-read the date...it was too early this morning!!) to "interviene" (not the word they used but I can't remember...sorry!) and show the family how to discipline the kids. If it's 7/16, I'll have to DVR as we'll be in DISNEY!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31106490/ns/parenting_and_family/#storyContinued


Sorry for the HUGE post above - you guys had a lot to say last night!!

 

[DisneyMomx7]

I do get sick of hearing how they need the show to support their children.

Dh and I supported all 7 of our children thank you very much. The older ones all went to college (and that's why they have student loans to help). Believe me when the financial aid people see 8 in college at one time they'll do just fine.

Maybe Kate won't get to go tanning or the spa all the time, but hey, welcome to real life!

I truly believe they may have started out as a "normal" family but Kate especially has really let the "celebrity" thing go to her head.

If you don't want the "p people" in your face for heaven's sake go in the backyard of your huge estate and have the kids play there!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Check out the prices for these houses::

http://www.kidscrookedhouse.com/Playhouses.aspx

I think based on the newest commercial we are not going to see the crocked house episode the one that I saw is not previewing the crocked houses!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For that much money.....I would expect to buy a straight house!

 

[kritter]

http://www.celebuzz.com/search/kate gosselin/photos/33037601/?p=0

 

[longstangetrip]

ALL three of mine do that I get no warning and I have a very weak stomach. Last year my 8 yo came in around 2 am, tapped me on the shoulder to wake me up, said "Mom I'm not feeling so goo...." and threw up on my head. I have since told them to go to the bathroom, throw up THEN cry for me

Great plan (mine too) unless you happen to be sitting on the toilet that the sick child makes a b-line for. Yep, happened to me! Ah, motherhood, and they say it's not glamorous!

 

[gottaluvPluto]

ALWAYS with a capital ALWAYS? Seriously, you've never told your kids to hold on a minute....that's all Kate did. And yes...I realize Kate took a drink....but in my opinion that wasn't as cruel and heartless as people seem to think.

I say worry about things that matter.....not one stupid drink of water..

Actually, what Kate did by taking a drink and not letting the little girl take a drink was harmful to the child. Kate is showing and telling her daughter that she is more important than her. This is emotional abuse.

When I worked for DCF spanking was a big NO , but it wasn't considered abuse as long as no marks are left on the child. I feel it is okay to spank a child with an open hand and no marks should be left on a child. Once a parent leaves a mark it is abuse.

 

[Clarice]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/jon-gosselin-caught-smoking-his-joint

 

[MichelleVW]

Actually, what Kate did by taking a drink and not letting the little girl take a drink was harmful to the child. Kate is showing and telling her daughter that she is more important than her. This is emotional abuse.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree, because I don't see making a child wait a few minutes, while an ADULT gets a drink emotionally abusive.

Yes, my children are important, but should they really be #1 in everything?