Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

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I agree that they can't lock themselves up in their house. People would then say, "Oh, they think they're too good to mingle with the regular folk", or "Oh look! They have a grocery company deliver their groceries to them", etc. I would hate to be in their situation because they're damned if they do & damned if they don't.

Absolutely! I was thinking the same thing, if Kate had someone else running the errands to grocery store, Kinko's and such then she would be crucified for not doing it herself.

We will also probably see more Starbuck pictures because the kids that haven't gotten to go yet will be expecting a drink too.
 
A neighbor from Jon & Kate's old house wrote that the Gosselin's were never friendly, refused all help and never really fit in the neighborhood. In the old episode unless they were taking one of the kids on their "special day" or to the doctor you never saw Kate going to Starbucks--especially in her sweat pants and t-shirts. Now she even puts gas in the family van?? No staff to run these errands for her?? I can't wait for the "p" people to prey on someone else--boring!!!

That is the best article I've read about them. It is linked and quoted from a few pages back. He was so thoughtful and genuine in his assessment. I think people did care and still do about this family's well being.
 
I understand what your saying about staying locked up in the house, but if you were on every tabloid cover across America portrayed as not so nice and your marriage was in trouble, would you put on a pair of 4 inch heels and put gas in your van?? I think she likes the publicity (good or bad) because it keeps her in the limelight. Jon on the other hand avoids (at least he tries) the cameras. Besides, isn't it about time she goes on another book tour or vacation?? You wouldn't want her cooped up in that million dollar house too long!
 
I used to be able to watch the show but not anymore. They have let this go way to far. The kids are going to get hurt by all of this. Kate needs to let Jon go because you can sense that is what he wants. I feel they keep going because of the money involved. They both seem very unhappy. It's almost hard to watch. I think it's time for them to walk away. Both parents have become real ugly. I don't mean outside I'm talking inside. Maybe Dr. Phil could do an episode with them? The seem to have everyone else.
 

That is the best article I've read about them. It is linked and quoted from a few pages back. He was so thoughtful and genuine in his assessment. I think people did care and still do about this family's well being.

here is the link:

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/

scroll down to Thursday June 4.

This really echoes what I perceived to be true based on bits and pieces.
Part of the reason for him writing is b/c Kate has a fairly large following in the Christian community (something I have never understood), and he wanted to point out how this might not be a good thing and the best thing to do is stop watching. He explains why in a very non-attacking way, but it is very clear. He's not a hater or a basher.
 
He did write a nice article, and the guy is involved in a youth/parent program, but I am not sure what he gained by sharing all of this publicly. He got his 15 minutes. I refrained from commenting on the article when it was first posted, because I knew I would just be called a Kate Lover.

What has Kate done wrong, that would make Christians think she was a bad person? Do we know if they do or don't worship? No. Have we seen pictures of her beating her kids? No, and they seem happy, Has their been pictures of her sneaking out of a man's room at 2 in the morning or any other time? No. Do we know that she is not sharing her wealth? No. Do we hear her swear? No. About the only thing I think both Jon and Kate are guilty of is not respecting each other. That isn't a sin, that is just two people who do not show respect for each other.

So now we have a man professing to be a Christian, putting down someone because they don't act like he thinks they should. Sorry, but that doesn't sound a very Christian thing to do. He should have gone to them, not posted a story with his opinion. Sounds like he has discussed their lives with a lot of people, as he says many wanted him to write about them. He has also talked about them in the speeches he gives.

I find this man to be very judgemental and not like most people I know who call themselves Christians. He's judging her on not even knowing her (according to him, she woudln't allow herself to be neighborly). It sounds like he gossiped often (when someone says to me, I'm not gossiping, then begins to gossip, well, that's what it is, gossip) with his neighbors (he said it was consistant), rather than going to their home and talking to them about what he perceived a problem (although I'm not sure what the problem was..that she didn't want to visit with the neighbors?). Actually sounds like his nose was out of joint, that Kate didn't bother with the neighbors(I wouldn't want to be friends with people who say things like 'The other immediately developed a reputation for being rude, self-centered, and demanding' how is she demanding if she doesn't accept anything from them?) if that is even true. He sounds like he is judging them based on what little he has seen. He made it clear that Kate did not befriend him, that he didn't know her, and I think this is how he got even. He bashed, just in nicer words. I could give some Biblical references of why he should have walked to their house and talked to her, but then the thread might be shut down, for talking about religion.
One more mention of the help. Perhaps for Kate it was easier to not have to explain they eat mostly organic when food was offered, and maybe when these people showed up on her doorstep to help, she either didn't need more help, or didn't want it from the person (who wasn't starstruck) at her door.
I do find it very interesting that this man seems to think highly of Jon, and this was written after the pictures.
But from the time they moved into the neighborhood until the time they left, generous offers of help, meals, etc. were turned away. . . and usually not with even a polite "thank-you." The stories are multitude. And, they are consistent. These offers were not given to celebrities, but to neighbors in need. Nobody in our neighborhood was starstruck. . . simply because these were neighbors and not stars. In addition, there was a growing awareness that something was just not right. One member of the marriage would walk the kids in their six-seat stroller and was willing to engage neighbors in friendly conversation. The other immediately developed a reputation for being rude, self-centered, and demanding. Those in our neighborhood who had known that person for years were not surprised. Sadly, the one who ruled the roost set the tone, and it wasn't good. Eventually, we never saw the friendlier half of the couple.

I'm still laughing over the post that Jon avoids the media. I'm sure he does, after all, he doesn't want more pictures of him surfacing LOL.

As for filling the car with gas in heels..so? She wears those types of shoes everywhere.

OK, my flames suit is on, for disagreeing with what many of you thought was a great article. Remember, this was not personal against any disboard person, but the person who wrote the article.


here is the link:

http://learningmylines.blogspot.com/

scroll down to Thursday June 4.

This really echoes what I perceived to be true based on bits and pieces.
Part of the reason for him writing is b/c Kate has a fairly large following in the Christian community (something I have never understood), and he wanted to point out how this might not be a good thing and the best thing to do is stop watching. He explains why in a very non-attacking way, but it is very clear. He's not a hater or a basher.
 
He did write a nice article, and the guy is involved in a youth/parent program, but I am not sure what he gained by sharing all of this publicly. He got his 15 minutes. I refrained from commenting on the article when it was first posted, because I knew I would just be called a Kate Lover.

What has Kate done wrong, that would make Christians think she was a bad person? Do we know if they do or don't worship? No. Have we seen pictures of her beating her kids? No, and they seem happy, Has their been pictures of her sneaking out of a man's room at 2 in the morning or any other time? No. Do we know that she is not sharing her wealth? No. Do we hear her swear? No. About the only thing I think both Jon and Kate are guilty of is not respecting each other. That isn't a sin, that is just two people who do not show respect for each other.

So now we have a man professing to be a Christian, putting down someone because they don't act like he thinks they should. Sorry, but that doesn't sound a very Christian thing to do. He should have gone to them, not posted a story with his opinion. Sounds like he has discussed their lives with a lot of people, as he says many wanted him to write about them. He has also talked about them in the speeches he gives.

I find this man to be very judgemental and not like most people I know who call themselves Christians. He's judging her on not even knowing her (according to him, she woudln't allow herself to be neighborly). It sounds like he gossiped often (when someone says to me, I'm not gossiping, then begins to gossip, well, that's what it is, gossip) with his neighbors (he said it was consistant), rather than going to their home and talking to them about what he perceived a problem (although I'm not sure what the problem was..that she didn't want to visit with the neighbors?). Actually sounds like his nose was out of joint, that Kate didn't bother with the neighbors(I wouldn't want to be friends with people who say things like 'The other immediately developed a reputation for being rude, self-centered, and demanding' how is she demanding if she doesn't accept anything from them?) if that is even true. He sounds like he is judging them based on what little he has seen. He made it clear that Kate did not befriend him, that he didn't know her, and I think this is how he got even. He bashed, just in nicer words. I could give some Biblical references of why he should have walked to their house and talked to her, but then the thread might be shut down, for talking about religion.
One more mention of the help. Perhaps for Kate it was easier to not have to explain they eat mostly organic when food was offered, and maybe when these people showed up on her doorstep to help, she either didn't need more help, or didn't want it from the person (who wasn't starstruck) at her door.
I do find it very interesting that this man seems to think highly of Jon, and this was written after the pictures.


I'm still laughing over the post that Jon avoids the media. I'm sure he does, after all, he doesn't want more pictures of him surfacing LOL.

As for filling the car with gas in heels..so? She wears those types of shoes everywhere.

OK, my flames suit is on, for disagreeing with what many of you thought was a great article. Remember, this was not personal against any disboard person, but the person who wrote the article.

So what has Kate done to *be* a Christian role model (of sorts)? Honestly, if you don't see it, no one can convince you or Kate either. It sounds to me like you are judging him, just as you accuse him of doing. More of these kinds of reports are going to come out. It's inevitable. Will you discount every one?

The essence of his message is that they are self-destructing on TV for money, and the children will be hurt.
 
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I used to be able to watch the show but not anymore. They have let this go way to far. The kids are going to get hurt by all of this. Kate needs to let Jon go because you can sense that is what he wants. I feel they keep going because of the money involved. They both seem very unhappy. It's almost hard to watch. I think it's time for them to walk away..

So what has Kate done to *be* a Christian role model (of sorts)? Honestly, if you don't see it, no one can convince you or Kate either. It sounds to me like you are judging him, just as you accuse him of doing. More of these kinds of reports are going to come out. It's inevitable. Will you discount every one?

The essence of his message is that they are self-destructing on TV for money, and the children will be hurt.

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He did write a nice article, and the guy is involved in a youth/parent program, but I am not sure what he gained by sharing all of this publicly. He got his 15 minutes. I refrained from commenting on the article when it was first posted, because I knew I would just be called a Kate Lover.

What has Kate done wrong, that would make Christians think she was a bad person? Do we know if they do or don't worship? No. Have we seen pictures of her beating her kids? No, and they seem happy, Has their been pictures of her sneaking out of a man's room at 2 in the morning or any other time? No. Do we know that she is not sharing her wealth? No. Do we hear her swear? No. About the only thing I think both Jon and Kate are guilty of is not respecting each other. That isn't a sin, that is just two people who do not show respect for each other.

So now we have a man professing to be a Christian, putting down someone because they don't act like he thinks they should. Sorry, but that doesn't sound a very Christian thing to do. He should have gone to them, not posted a story with his opinion. Sounds like he has discussed their lives with a lot of people, as he says many wanted him to write about them. He has also talked about them in the speeches he gives.

I find this man to be very judgemental and not like most people I know who call themselves Christians. He's judging her on not even knowing her (according to him, she woudln't allow herself to be neighborly). It sounds like he gossiped often (when someone says to me, I'm not gossiping, then begins to gossip, well, that's what it is, gossip) with his neighbors (he said it was consistant), rather than going to their home and talking to them about what he perceived a problem (although I'm not sure what the problem was..that she didn't want to visit with the neighbors?). Actually sounds like his nose was out of joint, that Kate didn't bother with the neighbors(I wouldn't want to be friends with people who say things like 'The other immediately developed a reputation for being rude, self-centered, and demanding' how is she demanding if she doesn't accept anything from them?) if that is even true. He sounds like he is judging them based on what little he has seen. He made it clear that Kate did not befriend him, that he didn't know her, and I think this is how he got even. He bashed, just in nicer words. I could give some Biblical references of why he should have walked to their house and talked to her, but then the thread might be shut down, for talking about religion.
One more mention of the help. Perhaps for Kate it was easier to not have to explain they eat mostly organic when food was offered, and maybe when these people showed up on her doorstep to help, she either didn't need more help, or didn't want it from the person (who wasn't starstruck) at her door.
I do find it very interesting that this man seems to think highly of Jon, and this was written after the pictures.


I'm still laughing over the post that Jon avoids the media. I'm sure he does, after all, he doesn't want more pictures of him surfacing LOL.

As for filling the car with gas in heels..so? She wears those types of shoes everywhere.

OK, my flames suit is on, for disagreeing with what many of you thought was a great article. Remember, this was not personal against any disboard person, but the person who wrote the article.



I agree with everything you said. I found that article to be very hypocritical.


And of course he has to chime in now during the height of "let's dump on Jon & Kate" mania.
 
Not sure if this was already posted......But I just picked up the new People mag. with Jon on the front cover. It was an interesting article. I can scan it if anyone is interested.....Apparently, Jon has hired NYC attornies to handle all of the media attention.

I got the Star mag. too about Kate's ex-fiance talking. He says that Kate was money hungry back then too!!!!1
 
So what has Kate done to *be* a Christian role model (of sorts)? Honestly, if you don't see it, no one can convince you or Kate either. It sounds to me like you are judging him, just as you accuse him of doing. More of these kinds of reports are going to come out. It's inevitable. Will you discount every one?

The essence of his message is that they are self-destructing on TV for money, and the children will be hurt.

A lot of the essence of his message is about how he believed she acts, and it seems to me a lot is based on him not knowing her. If I can be said to be judging him, by repeating what he said in his message, then so be it.
I don't know about her Christianity, other than what she has written and said about her religion, and the few times TLC has let us see her give (garage sale, Ronald McDonald House) because I don't know her either. While I don't think she needs to prove her Christianity to me, I do think someone judging a person's Christianity does need to give more reasons other than, she wouldn't accept help. It is by his own admission he doesn't know her. I'm not judging this man's Chrisitanity, but I am saying, and will continue to say that he is judging this family, and gossiping about them with neighbors and publicly in print, after saying he did not get to know her. I assume you read his entire article.
When reports come out that actually shows me that Kate is not living a Christian life, by someone other than a neighbor who is not happy because Kate wouldn't come out to play, (and yet said nothing about how she is not a Christian) then no, I will not discount it.
As for his opinion that the children are being exploited, that is an opinion, and some of us here think so, and some don't. Some people have a way of saying something is an opinion, and some have a way of saying it's a fact. I may change my mind someday, but for now, that is my opinion.
I actually own some stuff by this guy, which is why I didn't post earlier. But I was very surprised that he posted what he did. Again, my opinion only, he got his 15 minutes. Now, if he backs it up and drops his publisher (which is also Kate's), I may give him another 15 minutes.
 
I agree with everything you said. I found that article to be very hypocritical.
And of course he has to chime in now during the height of "let's dump on Jon & Kate" mania.


Hypocritical..yeah, that was the word I was looking for, but couldn't find in my mind. I've known a few people in my life that that would fit.

Now, if Beth comes out against Kate and Jon, I may take another look at how I feel.
 
Now, if he backs it up and drops his publisher (which is also Kate's), I may give him another 15 minutes.

speaking of Zondervan, I wonder how they're handling all of the Gosselin's new found celebrity.
 
I agree with everything you said. I found that article to be very hypocritical.


And of course he has to chime in now during the height of "let's dump on Jon & Kate" mania.

Would anyone have listened or taken it seriously a year ago when the haters basically said the same things about the kids being exploited. The media attention has brought the issues to the forefront. Now there is a reason to speak out. Even more of a reason for the show to end to repair the damage. Where are the positive things about Kate? People who love her and say how wonderful and loving and gracious she is? Now how many people have told the same story over and over with little variation?... from people who know her, family, people who worked for her and people she worked with. Oh, I guess they are all just jealous of her fab life LOL!
 
Hypocritical..yeah, that was the word I was looking for, but couldn't find in my mind. I've known a few people in my life that that would fit.

Now, if Beth comes out against Kate and Jon, I may take another look at how I feel.

So you would respect and believe Beth for speaking out? She wouldn't be selling out or judging or jst getting her 15 minutes? Interesting....
 
Would anyone have listened or taken it seriously a year ago when the haters basically said the same things about the kids being exploited. The media attention has brought the issues to the forefront. Now there is a reason to speak out. Even more of a reason for the show to end to repair the damage. Where are the positive things about Kate? People who love her and say how wonderful and loving and gracious she is? Now how many people have told the same story over and over with little variation?... from people who know her, family, people who worked for her and people she worked with. Oh, I guess they are all just jealous of her fab life LOL!
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That's one of the things I have always found very odd about this situation.. Kate comes from a very large family, she worked prior to having her children, her father is a Pastor, and not one single person has ever come forward to say something in her defense unless they are employed by her and Jon..

I don't "buy" that it's because they don't want to get caught up in all of the media attention - because the media attention has not always been as intense as it is now.. If she were my daughter, my sister, my friend, my cousin, my sister-in-law, a member of my church, I could not - and would not - stand by and watch her go through all of this drama alone without defending her (assuming she isn't the way the media has portrayed her to be)..

There's a lot more to this story - and it has nothing to do with avoiding the media or being jealous of her fame and fortune - that unfortunately has been obtained at the expense of her children.. Eventually it will all come out - and it won't be pretty..
 
The time to speak out, would have been privately to Kate at the time. Or even privately now. Certainly his article wouldn't change anything. I can't post what would be my back up to him and what he should have done with Bible verses or I take a chance on closing the thead. But there really isn't anything for him to say to Kate based on what he wrote IMO..'hey Kate, we aren't happy that you won't come out to play?" or Hey Kate, how come you won't accept our help?'. I see reasons from his post why I wouldn't have accepted his help.

I can only assume that her friends know how easy it is for the media to trip you up, misquote you, etc. and perhaps being quiet rather than doing a 'he said, she said is best.' For me, that would be a real friend...one that supports me.

And who knows, maybe she isn't a nice person, (I really don't know..I only see what TLC wants me to see) but so far, I haven't seen anyone say that, unless it's been for pay or spite...or that 15 minutes of fame.

In any case, I would assume the show will come to a halt, just because the kids are getting bigger, and TLC will be putting the next family prey or group on, that everyone will watch and think is cute.

Would anyone have listened or taken it seriously a year ago when the haters basically said the same things about the kids being exploited. The media attention has brought the issues to the forefront. Now there is a reason to speak out. Even more of a reason for the show to end to repair the damage. Where are the positive things about Kate? People who love her and say how wonderful and loving and gracious she is? Now how many people have told the same story over and over with little variation?... from people who know her, family, people who worked for her and people she worked with. Oh, I guess they are all just jealous of her fab life LOL!
 
So you would respect and believe Beth for speaking out? She wouldn't be selling out or judging or jst getting her 15 minutes? Interesting....


She might be..but I was only speaking for myself. I've always liked Beth, and I once saw a home made movie someone took of her speaking about the family and she seems sincere.
Why would that be interesting? Because it's someone that actually has been there from the begining of the show and wasn't fired (that I know of) and appeared to be a good friend and spent alone time with Kate? I would trust what she says a lot more than a man who didn't like that Kate wouldn't come out and play with the neighbors. Yup.

Right now I can only assume they are still friends, but I have no way of knowing that (maybe Beth is writting a book for her 15 minutes, but I would still trust her more than others). I know I wouldn't sell out my friends, and I hope I'm right, that Kate's friends wouldn't sell her out. But I have been wrong before, and not really knowing these people, except in a pretend world, who knows.
 
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