Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[TotalSnowWhite]

Sorry, those are small potatoes in my very humble opinion. I see them as retaliation to what he has been dealing with for so long. Again, just my opinion, but they don't compare.

I'm totally the opposite. Passive-aggresiveness drives me nuts. If you have something to hash out...lay it on the table. And how do you know her behaviors weren't a reaction to his?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I'll probably "worry" about Jon.

The kids will suffer. I don't think I've met a child of divorce that did not suffer in at least some way because of it. Even when you think they are fine, they probably aren't fine through and through.

That's who I worry about, the kids. They sure didn't sign on for this did they? Not that any child does but I really think the show just added to the problem between J&K. Divorce is ridiculously difficult for children. I don't think you ever get over it and when you become an adult and have your own family, it almost seems to start again somehow. I can't imagine what Cara & Mady are thinking, they must be so sad. The sextuplets are at the very least aware that J&K are not living together. Why is this show being allowed to continue? We all know now that J&K seem done with each other and I'll bet are arranging the details behind closed doors for the divorce. My heart just breaks for all 8 of the kids.

 

[LoraJ]

I'm totally the opposite. Passive-aggresiveness drives me nuts. If you have something to hash out...lay it on the table. And how do you know her behaviors weren't a reaction to his?

Yup!

My husband can be passive-aggressive at times. Sometimes I brush it off, other times I deal with it head on. I knew this before we got married. We still have mutual respect for each other though. But we do have our moments.

 

[DMRick]

The thing that got me was Kate called to tell Jodi no more gum when you watch the kids, OK? Kate was terribly pissed off but was nice enough amid the anger during the call. Jodi, though, tells Kate on the phone that the kids "got into the gum". Like they got it and chewed it w/o her knowing until it was too late. It didn't happen the way Jodi said...

I posted on the last thread, but I'll repost here. I would have been pretty mad myself, at Jodi, althoug Kate calmed down to her, because Jodi said the kids had gotten into it. That wasn't true. However, the part that got me (and when that episode was on I wasn't fond of Kate that day) was how she acted to the kids, threatening to toss, not just one of his toys, but his 'blankie' comforting toy. That was one sad little boy, as she threatened to dump the toy.

 

[emer95]

I'm totally the opposite. Passive-aggresiveness drives me nuts. If you have something to hash out...lay it on the table. And how do you know her behaviors weren't a reaction to his?

I suppose they could be. I only know what they show me.

 

[nuke]

I posted on the last thread, but I'll repost here. I would have been pretty mad myself, at Jodi, althoug Kate calmed down to her, because Jodi said the kids had gotten into it. That wasn't true. However, the part that got me (and when that episode was on I wasn't fond of Kate that day) was how she acted to the kids, threatening to toss, not just one of his toys, but his 'blankie' comforting toy. That was one sad little boy, as she threatened to dump the toy.

But the kids did get into the gum. They found it, asked her if they could have some, she asked them if they got it at home and they said yes.
Kate even says at one point that the kids convinced Aunt Jodi that gum was okay.
There is NO excuse for how harsh KAte was towards Aiden and Colin. Especially Colin for telling him she was going to throw away his blanket. I don't care how mad I am at my son I would never be that harsh with him or demeaning and careless about his feelings. The way she talked to him borders on abuse in my mind.
That episode is when I started to change how I felt about Kate and the show.

 

[DMRick]

As I said, we just started watching this show 6 months ago, if even that. I don't know anything about anyone cheating on anyone & I most certainly DID NOT suggest that it was okay. My DH & I have been married for 16 years because we have mutual respect for each other, among other things. .

As I've said in the past, my husband and I have been happily married for over 40 years, and I would have told him to take off his sunglasses for the picture also. Heck, yesterday he forgot to take off his hat during the singing of the national anthem, as the flag was passing us, at a memorial service, and I quickly said..hey, take off your hat. It didn't occur to me to actually ask him to do it LOL. I certainly respect him and he respects me. I love him more than I did on the day we were married. We are both retired and running a business together so we spend a lot of time together. I have on occasion talked to him like Kate has talked to John, usually when I'm frustrated. He however, has never made the little snide remarks Jon has made to Kate...cause he's nicer than I am LOL.

 

[JJZMgailey]

As I've said in the past, my husband and I have been happily married for over 40 years, and I would have told him to take off his sunglasses for the picture also. Heck, yesterday he forgot to take off his hat during the singing of the national anthem, as the flag was passing us, at a memorial service, and I quickly said..hey, take off your hat. It didn't occur to me to actually ask him to do it LOL. I certainly respect him and he respects me. I love him more than I did on the day we were married. We are both retired and running a business together so we spend a lot of time together. I have on occasion talked to him like Kate has talked to John, usually when I'm frustrated. He however, has never made the little snide remarks Jon has made to Kate...cause he's nicer than I am LOL.

So funny! It's true though - totally agree! I'm strictly basing my judgement toward her on everything I've seen where she is just not nice to him at all. Don't get me wrong, I would have asked him to take off the sunglasses in a nice way - they totally should be off for the pic - totally agree with that. There's just a nice way & a not-nice way to talk & it just seems like she is NEVER nice to him!

 

[Buckalew11]

I posted on the last thread, but I'll repost here. I would have been pretty mad myself, at Jodi, althoug Kate calmed down to her, because Jodi said the kids had gotten into it. That wasn't true. However, the part that got me (and when that episode was on I wasn't fond of Kate that day) was how she acted to the kids, threatening to toss, not just one of his toys, but his 'blankie' comforting toy. That was one sad little boy, as she threatened to dump the toy.

Honestly, I would love to know what Kate thought about herself on this episode. I have been there. I have been that mad before. I have ranted and raved. I am been sorely disappointed in myself and how I reacted. Embarrassed and humiliated. I have a temper and I have spent a lot of time trying to keep it in check. People are always shocked when they learn I think I have a bad temper. I inherited it and Kate may have too. Who knows? No excuses though...and once your carry-on and say things you didn't mean and regret, sorry, it is too late. You've already threatened to throw your baby boy's comfort toy away. How scary for him to hear those words! It was a hard moment to watch.
And I'll tell you, 22 years of marriage and DH has never seen it. Ever. Now if I had had 8 little ones at at once, he'd have probably seen it and had me committed.

 

[DMRick]

I agree with the part about how she reacted with the kids, even though I understand she was frustrated. I felt really sorry for the little one thinking he was going to lose his comforting toy. I don't agree that Aunt Jodi should have told Kate the kids had already gotten into it. They had found it, but had not eaten it until she gave it to them. Aunt Jodi made it sound like they had already gotten into it.

She was the babysitter. IMO the kids were not of an age that she should have asked them and accepted their answer. She sounded like she was unsure that they could have the gum. But she still gave it to them.

edited to add, she should have made them chew it in front of her and then had them put it in the garbage after a certain amount of time.

But the kids did get into the gum. They found it, asked her if they could have some, she asked them if they got it at home and they said yes.
Kate even says at one point that the kids convinced Aunt Jodi that gum was okay.
There is NO excuse for how harsh KAte was towards Aiden and Colin. Especially Colin for telling him she was going to throw away his blanket. I don't care how mad I am at my son I would never be that harsh with him or demeaning and careless about his feelings. The way she talked to him borders on abuse in my mind.
That episode is when I started to change how I felt about Kate and the show.

 

[blissventure]

I'll probably "worry" about Jon.

The kids will suffer. I don't think I've met a child of divorce that did not suffer in at least some way because of it. Even when you think they are fine, they probably aren't fine through and through.

And this is the dirty little secret of divorce. The adults move on, the kids, not so much.
I get so irritated at both Jon and Kate. It's time for counseling, and learning new behaviors. Not because I think they necessarily have to stay married, but they have to parent for many years to come, TOGETHER.
And the cruelty, passive aggressive stuff? I think it's terrible when there are innocent kids involved.. If two people want to treat each other that way, and they don't have kids, that's their business.
These adults behaviors are hashed out in front of the children. Nothing like passing your "stuff" on to the next generation. The finer points of how to treat someone disrespectfully and disdainfully isn't a great thing for children to master.

 

[disykat]

As I've said in the past, my husband and I have been happily married for over 40 years, and I would have told him to take off his sunglasses for the picture also. Heck, yesterday he forgot to take off his hat during the singing of the national anthem, as the flag was passing us, at a memorial service, and I quickly said..hey, take off your hat. It didn't occur to me to actually ask him to do it LOL. I certainly respect him and he respects me. I love him more than I did on the day we were married. We are both retired and running a business together so we spend a lot of time together. I have on occasion talked to him like Kate has talked to John, usually when I'm frustrated. He however, has never made the little snide remarks Jon has made to Kate...cause he's nicer than I am LOL.

ITA - although only 18 years married here. When I have something to say that needs to be said quickly I can order like a drill sargeant! I hope dh would do the same for me if the camera was about to click and I still had my sunglasses on.

 

[MoniqueU]

Honestly, I would love to know what Kate thought about herself on this episode. I have been there. I have been that mad before. I have ranted and raved. I am been sorely disappointed in myself and how I reacted. Embarrassed and humiliated. I have a temper and I have spent a lot of time trying to keep it in check. People are always shocked when they learn I think I have a bad temper. I inherited it and Kate may have too. Who knows? No excuses though...and once your carry-on and say things you didn't mean and regret, sorry, it is too late. You've already threatened to throw your baby boy's comfort toy away. How scary for him to hear those words! It was a hard moment to watch.
And I'll tell you, 22 years of marriage and DH has never seen it. Ever. Now if I had had 8 little ones at at once, he'd have probably seen it and had me committed.

My DH only wishes he had never seen my temper. I have totally mellowed out but I used to be far more highstrung then kate could ever imagine being. My DH is also lai back. We both could only take so much of each others behaviur, Though I feel probably alot like kate looked last night that most of it was my fault and that I was regretful and wanted to make it different. Jon has put up with so much and so young and such pressure etc. Just like my DH did and worse. But somehow my DH managed to look past all that and I did too and we moved on thank god.I wish the same would happen for john and Kate.

 

[FarAway<3]

Jon & Kate: Twisted Fate

A show that will be on E! on Friday. I'm guessing it's an E! True Hollywood Story type thing. I just saw the commercial for it.

 

[JJZMgailey]

Jon & Kate: Twisted Fate

A show that will be on E! on Friday. I'm guessing it's an E! True Hollywood Story type thing. I just saw the commercial for it.

Is that show called Extra? Trying to DVR it, ya know?

 

[Buckalew11]

Well, I admitted on the other thread that my BF of 4 years before DH saw that temper and put up with it. I am sure if the exBF ever sees J&K plus 8 that he will think it is me.
I have apologized to him though. It is something I am very ashamed of. He allowed it and I wasn't a smart enough, mature enough person to know to stop on my own. I grew up around it and was carrying on what I has seen. I met DH and I made one snide remark one day and *bam* guess what? He wasn't putting up with it. It was the "aha moment" you hear about on Oprah. LOL

I hope J&K can work it all out. Because they were sweet together when the started out so we know at one point there was love between them and for the kids. Divorce hurts 99% of the time. Honestly, God Bless those little children.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

I suppose they could be. I only know what they show me.

Well, they show both of their remarks...so you only state your opinion.

I'm just here to make sure no side goes unargued.

 

[Alice1386]

What drives me nuts about Kate is how much she talks and puts Jon down! For instance, in this last episode, Kate says speaks of how Jon has help when she is not around so taking care of the kids isn't a big deal, but turns around and makes out like she does it all herself when Jon isn't there. I highly doubt that she does not have help. As far as the sunglasses issue, sure I would want someone to remind me to take them off, but not in that tone of voice. I am in no way saying that Jon didn't made a poor choice in hanging out late at night with someone of the opposite sex, but I believe both of them when they say they haven't cheated on each other.

What I really wish that both of them would do is take two weeks together and pretty much vanish to some remote place. No cameras, no TLC, no kids, just a marriage counselor and maybe their pastor and try to work this out, clear the air, and recapture the love that we all see in the first few seasons of the show. The tv show can wait. As much as the world (hopefully none of us) may blame either of them and "want to see them crash and burn" there are eight wonderful kids who need both of their parents, together, and staying happily together-hopefully Jon and Kate will do what is best for them.

As much as I have loved seeing them grow up, maybe it might be best for this to be their last season so that they can attempt to go back to living their normal lives (and they should have plenty of money by now to raise the kids on). Okay end of rant...thanks for listening!

 

[JJZMgailey]

What drives me nuts about Kate is how much she talks and puts Jon down! For instance, in this last episode, Kate says speaks of how Jon has help when she is not around so taking care of the kids isn't a big deal, but turns around and makes out like she does it all herself when Jon isn't there. I highly doubt that she does not have help. As far as the sunglasses issue, sure I would want someone to remind me to take them off, but not in that tone of voice. I am in no way saying that Jon didn't made a poor choice in hanging out late at night with someone of the opposite sex, but I believe both of them when they say they haven't cheated on each other.

What I really wish that both of them would do is take two weeks together and pretty much vanish to some remote place. No cameras, no TLC, no kids, just a marriage counselor and maybe their pastor and try to work this out, clear the air, and recapture the love that we all see in the first few seasons of the show. The tv show can wait. As much as the world (hopefully none of us) may blame either of them and "want to see them crash and burn" there are eight wonderful kids who need both of their parents, together, and staying happily together-hopefully Jon and Kate will do what is best for them.

As much as I have loved seeing them grow up, maybe it might be best for this to be their last season so that they can attempt to go back to living their normal lives (and they should have plenty of money by now to raise the kids on). Okay end of rant...thanks for listening!

That would be the very smart thing for them to do! I didn't watch the first few seasons of this show but I'm really sad to see what's going on now!

 

[JennaTX]

I was really sad to watch the show last night, from what was shown there does not seem to be much hope for them...hopefully that will change.

One thing I love about this thread (and the last) is all of the different opinions and being able to express them without any nastiness!