Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[turkeymama]

She said he wanted the day off. I thought that was why she was decorating without him and he wasn't with the kids.

 

[KSchwagg86]

Sorry...I guess I was just venting and using your post to do it...I've seen and heard so many people say that she deserves this (I know you weren't saying that) I have watched the show from Day 1 and I can't believe how emotional I am about this......I have to say though, I am not really convinced about her "affair".....there are way too many damaging pictures out there to doubt Jon's though......

I can't believe how emotional I am either--I agree with your last couple of posts

 

[madge]

This may be a petty observation, but when Jon was saying he never was with that woman, he kept making this face that I have NEVER seen him make before. It screamed "I am lying" at me, I hope I am wrong. (I have taken many classes in body language, psych, etc)

the parts of the interview where Jon is in the brown shirt .. it's just weird. I can't put my finger on it. and the whole thing about Jon made a poor choice, it makes this all sound like he's an errant child. it's their story and they're sticking to it.

Jon and Kate have each contributed to the decline in their relationship, IMO. Kate said they've both become different people.

 

[DMRick]

It amazes me how two people can watch the same show and see two entirely different shows.

Well, I guess it depends on if you are listening to what John says. I didn't hear it the first go around. All I heard was Kate. When they just reshowed the one where he made the food, Kate said how sweet when she read his fortune, and he was not nice to her in his response. He had several choice things to say in many of today's episodes. I really paid attention the past few days (I guess because I used to stick up for him, and I really hadn't heard these things before), and I really don't know how I missed all of those remarks. I would be very hurt if my husband said some of those things to me. I also didn't like the things she said to him (can you breath quieter LOL) but it really was a two way street. He gave as good as he got, but quietly.

 

[davidsprincess]

I think this marriage is over and it makes me sad. I got the impression that Jon has already checked out. It seemed to me that Kate while although angry and hurt, would be willing to give it another try.

It is so sad because I had hoped that they would make it. And it doesn't matter if they stop the show now or not, if one of them has check out doesn't mean they will check in once the show is over.

 

[FoundMyPrince]

I thought Kate said Jon needed a weekend off?

or do you mean why, in that why did he choose at that time to not be there?

Would it fly in your house to have your husband "take off" while you had 8 children and were decorating for their birthday party? If people are so quick to judge Kate for having a sitter with the kids when she is decorating for their bday party perhaps they should ask "where is Jon?" and "why isn't he with his own children?".

 

[rileyroosmom]

I wish people would stop bashing Kate. Unless you have been in her shoes, it's a very difficult situation she is in. My husband had an affair and ultimately ended our marriage. I know how much it hurt me, I can't even put it into words, to have it played out for all the world to see, I can't imagine how that feels. It's been 3 years and my ex doesn't talk to me....ever. John reminds me of my ex. He checked out and is done with the family thing. He shows no emotion at all. My ex behaves the same way. Kate is trying to hold it all together, she was never a mushy person before, why would she show emotion now? Her comment that she is exhausted was referring to John, that she was putting the party together without his help. Yes there is help, but it is not the same as having your husband there with you. He was so arrogant arriving in his sports car, the one his girlfriend drove, to the party. Never mentioned that Kate did a good job. It was "we had some bouncy things" This man had his girlfriend at Kate's house sunbathing!! What a total lack of respect for your wife and family. Kate is expected to "be nice" to him at the party? Kate should speak to him? This man embarrassed his entire family to all the world. Everyone says the show should end.....maybe. However, this family has become accustomed to a certain life. It is much more difficult to walk away from a lavish lifestyle then it is to have nothing and gain it all. I think Kate is looking towards the future....no way can a single mom of 8 kids make a decent living. There won't be any child support/alimony.....the man has barely held in job in 5 years. He himself said he hasn't worked in 2 years. What kind of support would he give them? I don't blame Kate one bit for continuing. If you don't like what she does, stop watching and buying the books, magazines. The show will continue if there is ratings.

Sorry to go on and on, but I have NO respect for a cheating spouse. (I know there are rumors about Kate cheating, no one has yet to provide proof of that)

 

[3prettyprincesses]

the parts of the interview where Jon is in the brown shirt .. it's just weird. I can't put my finger on it. and the whole thing about Jon made a poor choice, it makes this all sound like he's an errant child. it's their story and they're sticking to it.

Jon and Kate have each contributed to the decline in their relationship, IMO. Kate said they've both become different people.

He was really defensive. Maybe because it was the 1st time he's physically addressed the rumors. He still denies cheating on Kate and I'm wondering if the reason he can say that is that he and Kate are already seperated. Kate did say she's been dealing with this for 6 months (which fits the Kevin & Jodi timeline). They both looked like they were done, that their focus is the kids and not each other. It was sad.

I thought before (and still do) that the wording Jon made a poor choice is just weird. It sounds like they're trying to skirt around the issue of him cheating or not. But, like you said, they're sticking to their story. This issue hits me right in the heart because I know firsthand what it was like to be a child of a very messy, sad divorce. I just wish they would at least try, you know?

 

[madge]

Would it fly in your house to have your husband "take off" while you had 8 children and were decorating for their birthday party? If people are so quick to judge Kate for having a sitter with the kids when she is decorating for their bday party perhaps they should ask "where is Jon?" and "why isn't he with his own children?".

I agree that it is bad timing on Jon's part to be away while Kate is decorating for the party. I was just trying to clarify what the poster (was it you?) I quoted was asking because I didn't understand.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Would it fly in your house to have your husband "take off" while you had 8 children and were decorating for their birthday party? If people are so quick to judge Kate for having a sitter with the kids when she is decorating for their bday party perhaps they should ask "where is Jon?" and "why isn't he with his own children?".

Well, it sure looked like they didn't want to be around each other, the tension was very clear so perhaps they both came up with the idea for Jon to have a weekend off. Remember too, Kate had been gone a lot prior to the sextuplets b-day which means Jon was the one doing Daddy duty.

 

[dharmster]

I wish people would stop bashing Kate. Unless you have been in her shoes, it's a very difficult situation she is in. My husband had an affair and ultimately ended our marriage. I know how much it hurt me, I can't even put it into words, to have it played out for all the world to see, I can't imagine how that feels. It's been 3 years and my ex doesn't talk to me....ever. John reminds me of my ex. He checked out and is done with the family thing. He shows no emotion at all. My ex behaves the same way. Kate is trying to hold it all together, she was never a mushy person before, why would she show emotion now? Her comment that she is exhausted was referring to John, that she was putting the party together without his help. Yes there is help, but it is not the same as having your husband there with you. He was so arrogant arriving in his sports car, the one his girlfriend drove, to the party. Never mentioned that Kate did a good job. It was "we had some bouncy things" This man had his girlfriend at Kate's house sunbathing!! What a total lack of respect for your wife and family. Kate is expected to "be nice" to him at the party? Kate should speak to him? This man embarrassed his entire family to all the world. Everyone says the show should end.....maybe. However, this family has become accustomed to a certain life. It is much more difficult to walk away from a lavish lifestyle then it is to have nothing and gain it all. I think Kate is looking towards the future....no way can a single mom of 8 kids make a decent living. There won't be any child support/alimony.....the man has barely held in job in 5 years. He himself said he hasn't worked in 2 years. What kind of support would he give them? I don't blame Kate one bit for continuing. If you don't like what she does, stop watching and buying the books, magazines. The show will continue if there is ratings.

Sorry to go on and on, but I have NO respect for a cheating spouse. (I know there are rumors about Kate cheating, no one has yet to provide proof of that)

I wish there was a "Likes This" button here like on facebook...oh, here:

Totally agree, can't imagine

 

[madge]

Sorry to go on and on, but I have NO respect for a cheating spouse. (I know there are rumors about Kate cheating, no one has yet to provide proof of that)

Jon says he didn't cheat.

 

[TeresaNJ]

I wish people would stop bashing Kate. Unless you have been in her shoes, it's a very difficult situation she is in. My husband had an affair and ultimately ended our marriage. I know how much it hurt me, I can't even put it into words, to have it played out for all the world to see, I can't imagine how that feels. It's been 3 years and my ex doesn't talk to me....ever. John reminds me of my ex. He checked out and is done with the family thing. He shows no emotion at all. My ex behaves the same way. Kate is trying to hold it all together, she was never a mushy person before, why would she show emotion now? Her comment that she is exhausted was referring to John, that she was putting the party together without his help. Yes there is help, but it is not the same as having your husband there with you. He was so arrogant arriving in his sports car, the one his girlfriend drove, to the party. Never mentioned that Kate did a good job. It was "we had some bouncy things" This man had his girlfriend at Kate's house sunbathing!! What a total lack of respect for your wife and family. Kate is expected to "be nice" to him at the party? Kate should speak to him? This man embarrassed his entire family to all the world. Everyone says the show should end.....maybe. However, this family has become accustomed to a certain life. It is much more difficult to walk away from a lavish lifestyle then it is to have nothing and gain it all. I think Kate is looking towards the future....no way can a single mom of 8 kids make a decent living. There won't be any child support/alimony.....the man has barely held in job in 5 years. He himself said he hasn't worked in 2 years. What kind of support would he give them? I don't blame Kate one bit for continuing. If you don't like what she does, stop watching and buying the books, magazines. The show will continue if there is ratings.

Sorry to go on and on, but I have NO respect for a cheating spouse. (I know there are rumors about Kate cheating, no one has yet to provide proof of that)

I couldn't have said it more perfectly myself.

 

[eyeheartgoofy]

The whole time I was watching the show I just kept saying, "OMG, the kids. The kids." I don't think either of them are actually saying that. But you can also see how much pain Jon and Kate are actually in. I agree with everyone on here who have stated that they got themselves into this mess. It still really saddens me that they are in so much pain. I'm sure that's part of the reason why they're so tired.

It hurts me too much to watch this going on. I wish it wasn't even on TV. Their kids are going to see this episode one day and realize how little their parents were even trying at that point. I wish they would end the show, go to marriage counseling at their church, and keep their promise to the children.What's next? Kate Plus 8: The Weekdays and Jon Plus 8: The Weekends? Are we going to see the episode where they tell their children they're divorcing? I mean, seriously. This shouldn't be on parade.I wish I could go into the TV and knock their heads together. Or take their kids home with me.

Exactly. This was just so, so sad. Watching parents giggle over funny things the kids say or lament over a long day is one thing. To watch these two people go through a messy divorce with those 8 shiny, innocent faces in the background is just too painful to watch. I honestly can't imagine an audience for Jon & Kate: The Divorce.

As much as Kate annoyed the heck out of me ... I don't want to see this couple split up and destroy those 8 kids. Facing the future as former child reality stars is bad enough, but to have to face the future as stars of the reality series that led to the demise of your parents' marriage???? Arghhh ... I can't imagine the baggage.

 

[Imzadi]

Sorry...I guess I was just venting and using your post to do it...I've seen and heard so many people say that she deserves this (I know you weren't saying that) I have watched the show from Day 1 and I can't believe how emotional I am about this......I have to say though, I am not really convinced about her "affair".....there are way too many damaging pictures out there to doubt Jon's though......

No problem. What I saw was kind of convoluted.

and the whole thing about Jon made a poor choice, it makes this all sound like he's an errant child. it's their story and they're sticking to it.

Jon and Kate have each contributed to the decline in their relationship, IMO. Kate said they've both become different people.

It seemed to me that Kate while although angry and hurt, would be willing to give it another try.

What little I've seen of the two of them in last season's shows, she did treat him as a child, finishing his sentences, telling him what he's thinking & feeling. Someone else mentioned she's a bit in denial.

While she does say she's made mistakes, too, I think she really latched onto his "poor choices" as the real reason for their marriage problems and denying a lot of her part in it. Yes' she's hurting, but I get the feeling that she thinks if Jon apologises & is punished enough for his mistakes, as you would punish a child, then maybe they can get back to their marriage (the way it was, more or less.) Whereas Jon simply doesn't want it anymore.


I think the ends of relationships are harder to spot. It happens long before the papers are filed and that there are unspoken "agreement" made between the both of them. Not meaning to bring in another celeb marriage, but Mel Gibson & his soon-to-be-ex-wife both claimed when filing their divorce papers that the marriage ended a good 3 years before they finally filed, a few weeks ago.

 

[sandramaac]

ok i just listened to this again on the repeat episode and this really bugs me because it truly shows what a liar and manipulator kate is:

kate "the paparazzi is coming after, good park job huh"

joel "whats paperotzee"

kate "shhh, dont say the word"

now her interview comment
"when you pull into the party store and your unloading you kids and your five year old joel, yells oh there is the paparazzi"

he did not say that he couldn't even say the word, and obviously was asking what the word meant it was just her self absorbed manipulated version of what he said

I said it before and will say it again look up narcissistic personality under the dsm manual and it will totally describe this person

the worst thing about this realtionship is the lack of respect that kate has for her husband someone said it a few pages back they should divorce and move onto healthy relationships perhaps a more low key person for jon and a stronger more in your face person for kate, who isnt afraid to put her in her place

 

[rileyroosmom]

Jon says he didn't cheat.

Really???? That's what all guilty people say. Pictures don't lie. My ex didn't cheat either. The hotel bills and cell phone records told me something different. The pictures of Jon in bars, in cars with a woman at 2am and sunbathing with a woman, not his wife, at his house says it all.

 

[emer95]

I'm so terribly sad for this whole family. I can't sleep either.

 

[madge]

kate "the paparazzi is coming after, good park job huh"

joel "whats paperotzee"

kate "shhh, dont say the word"

now her interview comment
"when you pull into the party store and your unloading you kids and your five year old joel, yells oh there is the paparazzi"

he did not say that he couldn't even say the word, and obviously was asking what the word meant

I caught the same thing... although I didn't react quite as strongly

 

[DMRick]

I'm sorry. I feel your hurt.

I really don't get the Kate bashers in this circumstance. Jon's denials remind me of a past president. I just don't get why people thinks she got what she deserves. If you think the show should have happened or not, it did, and Jon was enjoying the fruits. I noticed he showed up in his fancy sports car, and immediately complained because he had to get the cakes and then the phone. They must not have been far from the house, and it's not like he did much else (oh, he wiped the bouncy with a napkin).

Even when Kate was picking out beds, and wanted to get a trundle, John strongly said, we aren't having any more children (along with many other remarks made towards her during that show because she was taking her time in picking out the bed). She wasn't saying she wanted more kids, but if the kids they had had a sleep over, she wanted an extra bed. He's said so many times, and in front of the kids, remarks about the amount of kids (and not sweetly either), that I wonder if they will wonder if they were wanted.

I wish people would stop bashing Kate. Unless you have been in her shoes, it's a very difficult situation she is in. My husband had an affair and ultimately ended our marriage. I know how much it hurt me, I can't even put it into words, to have it played out for all the world to see, I can't imagine how that feels. It's been 3 years and my ex doesn't talk to me....ever. John reminds me of my ex. He checked out and is done with the family thing. He shows no emotion at all. My ex behaves the same way. Kate is trying to hold it all together, she was never a mushy person before, why would she show emotion now? Her comment that she is exhausted was referring to John, that she was putting the party together without his help. Yes there is help, but it is not the same as having your husband there with you. He was so arrogant arriving in his sports car, the one his girlfriend drove, to the party. Never mentioned that Kate did a good job. It was "we had some bouncy things" This man had his girlfriend at Kate's house sunbathing!! What a total lack of respect for your wife and family. Kate is expected to "be nice" to him at the party? Kate should speak to him? This man embarrassed his entire family to all the world. Everyone says the show should end.....maybe. However, this family has become accustomed to a certain life. It is much more difficult to walk away from a lavish lifestyle then it is to have nothing and gain it all. I think Kate is looking towards the future....no way can a single mom of 8 kids make a decent living. There won't be any child support/alimony.....the man has barely held in job in 5 years. He himself said he hasn't worked in 2 years. What kind of support would he give them? I don't blame Kate one bit for continuing. If you don't like what she does, stop watching and buying the books, magazines. The show will continue if there is ratings.

Sorry to go on and on, but I have NO respect for a cheating spouse. (I know there are rumors about Kate cheating, no one has yet to provide proof of that)