Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[themilesfamily]

From what I gather she said Kate was:

* haughty and carried an air of self-privilige at the expense of others
* was not kind, warm or nice
* was unfriendly, aloof and rude to the hosts and sponsors
* acted like a self-important starlet

 

[dicar123]

Yes,I do know now that they didn't implant eggs. I just wondered if having sex when they see that many follicles means that you will definately have that amount of kids, or do they like to see that many follicles, because the chances are greater that one or more will take. Often they put in more eggs, knowing you could have more than one child, but yet, that is a chance most people take, to be insured of at least one child.

Eggs vs babies is always unpredictable.

My experience is about a dozen years in the past, so take it with a grain of salt. Although doctors routinely transferred up to 6 embryos at a time for invitro, none of the women I knew were allowed to go forward with a lesser procedure (IUI or au natural) if they had hyperstimulated.

I don't know if maybe seeing 3 or 4 eggs ripening on ultrasound can mean that more may be ripening unseen and it's just too unpredictable, or if it's just much easier to be cautious when the procedure is inexpensive and less physically rigorous.

Back then, if you were just taking a basic fertility med (like clomid), it was rare to get ultrasound monitoring unless a problem was indicated. That's how Bobbie McCaughey ended up with all of hers. She was taking clomid, it had only resulted in one baby in the past, they didn't check her and she ended up with a bunch of eggs.

There is so much more at stake in invitro, physically and financially, that I think they aren't as cautious as they might be.

 

[themilesfamily]

It's late, I have finally completed working for the night, so maybe I'm just too tired to see it..but what is she saying she did wrong? Do you think she didn't share enough of her private life? Didn't stay and chat? I can't wait to hear if others can figure out what it is she did wrong.

Maybe she was bossing them all around? Who knows! I believe this letter is being printed in Thursday's paper, so I'm sure the poop will hit the fan and we'll hear more about it.

Have a good night!

ETA: Here's the announcement for the Detroit event that was referenced in the "open letter" to Kate.

http://news.prnewswire.com/ViewContent.aspx?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/04-29-2009/0005015716&EDATE=

They describe an evening with Kate Gosselin as, the "perfect Mother's Day present for Metro Detroit moms, letting them know that no matter how tough and demanding parenting can be sometimes, they can find the right balance to ensure a happy home."

Kate also spoke on the topic of, "Tips For a Stress-Free Home."

Yes. She did.

 

[dicar123]

Her hospitalization for over-stimulation occurred 2 weeks later. The doctor at the hospital told her that her abdomen was filled with fluid and that her ovaries had blown up to the size of a newborn's head. i do know that when you get pregnant that the follicles that released the eggs can continue to grow as hormones are released. I had an ovarian cyst the size of a grapefruit when I was pregnant with my first. It eventually shrunk.

If I understand this right, the follicle sends out hormones to maintain the uterine lining for 2 weeks, in case an embryo implants. If there is no hormonal signal from the embryo, it shuts off and eventually goes away. If there is a hormonal signal then it continues to provide hormones until the placenta takes over.

I guess the hormonal signal from 6 embryos sent things into overdrive!

I regularly produce large cysts. My doctor followed me with every 2 week ultrasounds through two cycles. But he never really said how big they were, so I assume lesser than a grapefruit, a baseball or an egg. LOL!

I cannot imagine how uncomfortable that had to be!

 

[Mom2Nick]

I agree. My 3 kids are 18 months apart. At one point they were all in diapers! But I went out, all the time, alone. Plus, I recall Kate taking all the kids to Sesame Street Live and remarking about how she could do it all, she could take them on an outing like this all alone. Does anyone else remember? She was pretty pleased with herself to have been able to do that but we're supposed to be amazed that she could take them to a party store? Sorry, not buying it. Kate is clever and that blog was total damage control. Talk about spinning it to your favor. Did you all read the comments on her blog? It was an absolute love-fest with tons of people calling her amazing, inspirational, strong mother, and generally urging her to keep the faith. Wow, she's got a lot of fans apparently!

Plus let's not forget that her version of doing it alone includes a bodyguard, producer, camera man, sound man and lord knows how many other staff members. It's not like she only has 2 hands and one set of eyes to watch out for the kids.

 

[madge]

YIPES!!! I just came across this. Now this is not a gossip mag, or a blog. Read the last section. (Graciousness, The Lesson You Left Out.) This was published in the Detroit News.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090521/OPINION03/905210449/1031

This is an open letter to Kate Gosselin written by Alyssa Martina -- "founder, president and publisher of Metro Parent Magazine." Kate Gosselin was a part of the Metro Parent Magazine's Distinguished Speakers Series in Detroit last week.

She slams Kate Gosselin in this letter -- not for what she said as a speaker, but for how she treated people at the event, (the hosts, the sponsors, etc.)

I was just coming to share the same link. I thought it was a very well written and insightful piece. I didn't get the sense she was slamming Kate .. she was very to the point, though.

this quote, in particular, jumped out at me:

You failed to show any graciousness in your appearance last week. I did not find you to be a particularly kind, warm or nice person. You were unfriendly and actually quite aloof and rude to your hosts and sponsors. There were many people in the audience who perceived a sense of snootiness as well. I know because they came up to me afterward and mentioned it.

I could have (and pretty much did) written the same thing about Kate's appearance here.

 

[padisneyfan]

Madge--- I thought of you when I read the article as you made the same comments.

I felt the article was very well written and because of her position I'm sure she had personal contact with her before and after the show.

Nancy

 

[1stluvispooh]

that was the way I understood it -- there were pictures of the camera people with mics and such. that's why I think Kate's blog is hooey. she didn't get up and decide to make a trip to the party store.

then again, maybe she was. this is the realest reality show there is, after all ... the crew is available at a moment's notice to follow Kate where ever she goes. I didn't see that mentioned in her blog that she had to call and summons the crew to come along and film ...

I'm so confused. What's reality and what's not?

Lets not forget that if they did shoot inside the store they would have to call ahead and get permission!

 

[madge]

Madge--- I thought of you when I read the article as you made the same comments.

I felt the article was very well written and because of her position I'm sure she had personal contact with her before and after the show.

Nancy

I've read dozens of accounts from people who have seen Kate in person. Nearly every one has been identical to mine... the descriptive adjectives are different, but the theme is always the same.

I did learn this week that the local church did not pay big bucks for Kate to speak... She was paid, but it was not the reported 5-figure fee she gets now.

 

[MichelleVW]

She never said her aunt was "great," (which she very well may be, who knows?) she merely pointed out that it is humanly possible to leave the house with 7 or 8 kids and live to tell the tale. Lots of parents do it without helpers and without applause.

Kate is no more amazing than any other mom with a big family. In fact, she is much less so because she has a staff to help her.

I know what she said about her aunt, and if we had this conversation in person instead of on a computer I would have said, "should I give her a medal?" because honestly it sounded like bragging to me.

My grandma had 5 kids....I had a friend who was one of 8 kids....but my point still is, they were not all the same age and that is a HUGE difference.

Oh....for the good ole days when this thread was fun and TSW and I could argue with Madge and it was so nice and pleasant...not mean and nit picky...

"I don't like Kate's clothes"
"she should stay home more"
"she is a loser and needs to support the kids"
blah blah blah...

I don't think Kate is perfect....she's got some issues....but to some posters she can and never will do anything right....which is why this thread is now turning into GWOP 2.

I have stayed away from most other J&K threads because they were too nasty. This one was never a Kate "lovefest" but it was a place for good debate and conversation. Now it's just a lot of nasty speculation....and digs on her appearance...

 

[madge]

Oh....for the good ole days when this thread was fun and TSW and I could argue with Madge and it was so nice and pleasant...not mean and nit picky...

come to WDW in October, and we can all argue in person

Now it's just a lot of nasty speculation....and digs on her appearance...

I just realized you mean appearance = how someone looks ... NOT her public speaking appearances. I was sitting here thinking that I've been digging on her appearance here for over 2 months, that's not new... duh

 

[jpaxton1118]

I know what she said about her aunt, and if we had this conversation in person instead of on a computer I would have said, "should I give her a medal?" because honestly it sounded like bragging to me.

My grandma had 5 kids....I had a friend who was one of 8 kids....but my point still is, they were not all the same age and that is a HUGE difference.

Oh....for the good ole days when this thread was fun and TSW and I could argue with Madge and it was so nice and pleasant...not mean and nit picky...

"I don't like Kate's clothes"
"she should stay home more"
"she is a loser and needs to support the kids"
blah blah blah...

I don't think Kate is perfect....she's got some issues....but to some posters she can and never will do anything right....which is why this thread is now turning into GWOP 2.

I have stayed away from most other J&K threads because they were too nasty. This one was never a Kate "lovefest" but it was a place for good debate and conversation. Now it's just a lot of nasty speculation....and digs on her appearance...

I agree with you about this thread turning into GWOP2. I can not stand that site because no matter what Kate does she is the devil. I liked this site because you could come here and have a real discussion about the facts but now it is just bashing and trash talk.

 

[MichelleVW]

come to WDW in October, and we can all argue in person



I just realized you mean appearance = how someone looks ... NOT her public speaking appearances. I was sitting here thinking that I've been digging on her appearance here for over 2 months, that's not new... duh

I'm working on the October trip...but I can't really say anything to DH until he finds out for sure about this new job!


LOL on the appearance misunderstanding!!

 

[Tinker74]

Bottom line for me is...Kate is a flawed human being..but I like her!...She is someone I could imagine being friends with...I think she works hard for her kids and I did think she had a good marriage..(yes there are problems now..but that doesn't make her the devil incarnate)

As for Jodi...I don't like her...she has publically tried to disgrace her SIL...she thinks she is some sort of moral crusader..I was embarrased for her doing that vid...I don't think she gives two hoots about the gosselins..ALL..of them...she is jealous and spiteful!

Ditto for kevin!


Just my opinion of course....I trust my own instincts..they usually serve me well.


Oh and I stay away from GWOP....really screwed up people over there....no wonder Kate needs a bodyguard!

 

[PrincessKsMom]

I know what she said about her aunt, and if we had this conversation in person instead of on a computer I would have said, "should I give her a medal?" because honestly it sounded like bragging to me.

Bragging, really? That's funny considering we're talking about Kate! My aunt did it quietly without hoopla and fanfare, cameras and crews, pitty parties and book tours. She's just like many, many other women who don't think they deserve a pat on the back and an extravagent lifestyle for having many children. It's a decision she made and she did the best she could.

As for the "if we had this conversation in person instead of a computer", that sounds a little confrontational, as if you'd like to put me in my place, but of course, only if it were "in person". This is getting ridiculous. I'm going to move on and continue to "Hate Kate" while you all continue on with your "Hero Worship". Ciao!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I know what she said about her aunt, and if we had this conversation in person instead of on a computer I would have said, "should I give her a medal?" because honestly it sounded like bragging to me.

My grandma had 5 kids....I had a friend who was one of 8 kids....but my point still is, they were not all the same age and that is a HUGE difference.

Oh....for the good ole days when this thread was fun and TSW and I could argue with Madge and it was so nice and pleasant...not mean and nit picky...

"I don't like Kate's clothes"
"she should stay home more"
"she is a loser and needs to support the kids"
blah blah blah...

I don't think Kate is perfect....she's got some issues....but to some posters she can and never will do anything right....which is why this thread is now turning into GWOP 2.

I have stayed away from most other J&K threads because they were too nasty. This one was never a Kate "lovefest" but it was a place for good debate and conversation. Now it's just a lot of nasty speculation....and digs on her appearance...

I love how you can attack other people's posts but when it comes to you, you're off limits apparently. Why is it that you think that since you've been on this thread since the beginning, that you're entitled to decide which way the thread should go? This isn't the first time you've made comments that make me think you feel you own this thread. I find it very rude. It's about J&K so people can comment how they like, yes? I certainly wouldn't consider it the GWOP 2 but I guess you would since people are not all gushing about Kate. Remember too that a lot of scandal has come down on J&K in the last month which explains why so many people are upset and commenting. If people are upset about Kate, then they can voice it here. If people find her inspiring then they can voice it here. Personally I find the debate here about J&K very interesting.

I agree with you about this thread turning into GWOP2. I can not stand that site because no matter what Kate does she is the devil. I liked this site because you could come here and have a real discussion about the facts but now it is just bashing and trash talk.

I really think the reason more criticism of Kate has shown up on this thread is due to the scandal she and Jon are embroiled in. A lot has popped up on the internet with news of he said/she said/they said. People can choose to believe it or not. All the mud slinging is unfortunate but then again, I wouldn't put my family in that position to begin with.

 

[Tinker74]

Bragging, really? That's funny considering we're talking about Kate! My aunt did it quietly without hoopla and fanfare, cameras and crews, pitty parties and book tours. She's just like many, many other women who don't think they deserve a pat on the back and an extravagent lifestyle for having many children. It's a decision she made and she did the best she could.

As for the "if we had this conversation in person instead of a computer", that sounds a little confrontational, as if you'd like to put me in my place, but of course, only if it were "in person". This is getting ridiculous. I'm going to move on and continue to "Hate Kate" while you all continue on with your "Hero Worship". Ciao!

Of course...because it really is ridiculous to like and defend someone isn't it?....It seems in your world you would rather spread hate...By all means check out GWOP...iam sure you will find lots of like minded "Kate haters" over there.

 

[Tinker74]

I'd just like to add that I enjoy the different opinions on this thread...its not all Kate Loving.......And I certaintly don't hero worship..Iam aware of her faults..but I still like her!

But I don't think anyone here actually HATES kate!....like they seem to on GWOP...There are people who dislike her...just like I dislike Jodi....but if anyone actually "Hates"....then that is plain scary

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I'd just like to add that I enjoy the different opinions on this thread...its not all Kate Loving.......And I certaintly don't hero worship..Iam aware of her faults..but I still like her!

But I don't think anyone here actually HATES kate!....like they seem to on GWOP...There are people who dislike her...just like I dislike Jodi....but if anyone actually "Hates"....then that is plain scary

I agree, I enjoy reading both sides and I really think it keeps the thread balanced. I don't understand why everyone keeps thinking that people here are "hating" Kate. Hate is a very strong word and from all the posts I've read, I certainly wouldn't say that anyone here hated her. A lot of people disagree with what she and Jon are doing and that's fine. On the other hand many people think she's doing her best and that's fine too.

 

[phamton]

Why is it that you think that since you've been on this thread since the beginning, that you're entitled to decide which way the thread should go? This isn't the first time you've made comments that make me think you feel you own this thread. If people are upset about Kate, then they can voice it here. If people find her inspiring then they can voice it here. Personally I find the debate here about J&K very interesting.

I've also been on the thread since the beginning. Just a few short weeks ago I began to feel like I was being belittled for my opinion on Kate. I even said that I was leaving this thread: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2135306&page=13

In my opinion the thread at that time had become a clique thread with chit-chat about non-related stuff. Newbies to the thread were ridiculed when they didn't catch on to the insider jokes (such as fake trips with Kate to WDW) Any talk of criticism of Kate was immediately shutdown. I really had my feelings hurt and expressed that sentiment. I wanted to thank you, 3prettyprincesses, for being one of the people who was kind to me when I posted about being hurt.

I just hope that this thread can be one that is welcoming to both sides of the Kate issue. It is nice to see some balance. I am enjoying reading both sides.