Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

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I think my sister talks nasty to her DH. They married when I was 11. I remember thinking that if I ever fell in love, I hoped I would not talk to the person I loved like that. My parents certainly didn't talk like that to each other. I know that my sister dearly loves her DH though. I am not sure how she would carry on if anything ever happened to him. For some reason, he has always allowed her to talk that way to him and so, she does.

I used to talk to an old boyfriend pretty bossy. In fact, sometimes when I hear Kate, I think of how I treated him. (yikes) Then, I dated DH and found out right away he wasn't going to be talked to in that way. 22 years later (well, really 24!) we still do not talk that way to each other.

I think I did it because the other guy "let" me. In fact, BIL and I got into it one day and I was all up in his face giving him heck. I can't think of another person on this planet I would have done that to--certainly not DH or my other BIL. I did it because I knew I could. he was used to it and I knew he wouldn't *hate* me for that bad behavior. Ugh. I felt terrible about that episode and called him and apologized right away. He really didn't think a thing of it... :(

I can tell you my DH wouldn't put up with Kate for 5 mins. I wonder though, if she were married to a different type of man, if she'd act out the way she does?
 
I agree with a PP that said she looked medicated. When you compare that zombie look and tone to her "normal" self. (like when she is SCREAMING at him on national TV to "stop playing toys and come over here and help") it doesn't even sound like the same person. She is pretty robotic and money driven by her book that she could even possibly still appear on the Today show today. Why wouldn't she stay home to work through this?

Kate looked and sounded exactly the same as she did when I saw her in March. Very flat and monotone. I was out with friends who also saw her at the church appearance and said the same thing -- couldn't believe how similar it was! And we all agreed she was boring when we saw her. LOL.
 
Anyone see the interview on Larry King?
God forbid, we flip the channel from Orange County Chopper's, and Hell's Kitchen and throw the Loggers in there for good measure.

I tivo'd. More of the same, same, same. Never mentioned once that she & Jon love each other. And she also spoke of Jon more like he was an errant child than her husband. He's having difficult times. He's dealing very poorly with this.

she also said the tabloids were going crazy again... not to believe everything you read. (well, that's interesting since Jon & Kate are releasing statements to the tabloids as well.)

Kate also claims they did not set to have a celebrity lifestyle.... she hates the word celebrity. But she's not sorry they did the series. Life lessons will what you see in their show. :::insert blah Kate face here ::: Kate chooses happiness. The fans keep her going, because Kate is their inspiration.

There's more, but it's all the same stuff .... she must have said um one hundred times.
 
I think my sister talks nasty to her DH. They married when I was 11. I remember thinking that if I ever fell in love, I hoped I would not talk to the person I loved like that. My parents certainly didn't talk like that to each other. I know that my sister dearly loves her DH though. I am not sure how she would carry on if anything ever happened to him. For some reason, he has always allowed her to talk that way to him and so, she does.

I used to talk to an old boyfriend pretty bossy. In fact, sometimes when I hear Kate, I think of how I treated him. (yikes) Then, I dated DH and found out right away he wasn't going to be talked to in that way. 22 years later (well, really 24!) we still do not talk that way to each other.

I think I did it because the other guy "let" me. In fact, BIL and I got into it one day and I was all up in his face giving him heck. I can't think of another person on this planet I would have done that to--certainly not DH or my other BIL. I did it because I knew I could. he was used to it and I knew he wouldn't *hate* me for that bad behavior. Ugh. I felt terrible about that episode and called him and apologized right away. He really didn't think a thing of it... :(

I can tell you my DH wouldn't put up with Kate for 5 mins. I wonder though, if she were married to a different type of man, if she'd act out the way she does?

Agreed. I couldn't imagine treating my DH like that all of the time. Sure, we have our share of disagreements but we both try to respect each other verbally. The times when I talk nasty, I immediately feel terrible and vice versa. My DH doesn't deserve that kind of treatment and neither do I. Probably why we're still deliriously happy and in love after 12 years of marriage!:hug::love:

I'm sorry but I just don't think it's healthy to treat a spouse the way Kate does. She should make more of an effort to speak pleasantly especially since she's on TV! That right there shows me she thinks her behavior is fine. Being willing to publicly berate your husband tells me a lot about her. I remember that Toys R Us episode several seasons ago when she was screaming at Jon in the store. People were all whipping their heads around and it was sooo embarassing for Jon. Nobody deserves to be treated that way, husband or wife. I certainly don't want my children exposed to that either. They don't need to see their Mommmy screaming at Daddy for not using a coupon or for breathing! Remember those episodes with Kate?

Just because you hear the woman at the grocery, mall and Disney treating their DH like Kate doesn't make it right. People don't want to be treated that way. I'm not saying everyone should be perfect but at least try to be respectful of your spouse.

BTW, my DH can't stand Kate. He thinks she's completely disrespectful to Jon and others on the show. Remember her comments about Aunt Jodi? She was furious because she gave them gum so she was rampaging through the house looking for it and threatening to throw out one of the sextuplets comfort blankets because it had gum on it and would ruin her dryer! Then she talked about Jodi, something like, Lord love her she tries. I really don't think Kate respects many people at all.

Let's flip it...what if it were Jon talking that way Kate? People wouldn't stand for it.
 

I tivo'd. More of the same, same, same. Never mentioned once that she & Jon love each other. And she also spoke of Jon more like he was an errant child than her husband. He's having difficult times. He's dealing very poorly with this.

In Kate's defense, if were her I don't think I would be talking about my love for Jon right now either. Jon behaves more like a child more than he does a husband. Maybe if he would act like a man, she would respect him and start showing it. They both engage in such a vicious cycle.
 
In Kate's defense, if were her I don't think I would be talking about my love for Jon right now either. Jon behaves more like a child more than he does a husband. Maybe if he would act like a man, she would respect him and start showing it. They both engage in such a vicious cycle.

bingo. LOL.

In the two interviews today, Kate spoke little of their marriage, being married, etc. She spoke about their problems, working through this time, etc. I find that very telling. I didn't feel like I was listening to someone who was emotionally invested in the relationship. Someone mentioned robotic? That's pretty much how it sounded.
 
. I certainly don't want my children exposed to that either. They don't need to see their Mommmy screaming at Daddy for not using a coupon or for breathing!

Usually just a lurker, but ..... ;)



This is where I think Jon and Kate are going to get their just dues paid back to them in full. It will not be long before their 8 little blessings are going to be modeling their behavior, tone, and attitude. It never fails. Our bad habits are always the habits our children pick up on. Everytime I watch Kate bark out harsh commands, go into one of her rampages, be over dramatic, or dish out insensitive statements, I think she so doesn't realize what she is setting herself up for when her children are pre-teens and teens. Right now, her children are watching and learning how to deal with and react to stress and tension, and to be honest, I think Jon and Kate are leading the way to a very moody, sarcastic, disrespectful household in the years to come.
 
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I just realized we've had a lot of new JK8 friends, haters, and debaters stop by this week .. hope y'all will stick around for a while... we have a good time here! :upsidedow
 
Usually just a lurker, but ..... ;)



This is where I think Jon and Kate are going to get their just dues paid back to them in full. It will not be long before their 8 little blessings are going to be modeling their behavior, tone, and attitude. It never fails. Our bad habits are always the habits our children pick up on. Everytime I watch Kate bark out harsh commands, go into one of her rampages, be over dramatic, or dish out insensitive statements, I think she so doesn't realize what she is setting herself up for when her children are pre-teens and teens. Right now, her children are watching and learning how to deal with and react to stress and tension, and to be honest, I think Jon and Kate are leading the way to a very moody, sarcastic, disrespectful household in the years to come.

Absolutely agree with you!:thumbsup2 Kids are VERY aware of what's going on in their homes. They will pick up on how Mom treats Dad and the way Dad treats Mom. It's a HUGE responsibility to raise them properly and J&K don't seem to comprehend that. :confused3
 
Oh boy, I'm watching Larry King Live right now. This is madness. She says that they never set out to be celebrities? Ya, that's why she wrote 2 books and is touring all over the country to promote them. I love how she said the kids don't know any different when it comes to the cameras. A perk of the show to her is that they have the ability to work from home. She says one parent is always home with the kids. Doing the show has answered their financial needs. They're always working, always deadlines to turn in as it's a full time job. The show comes with public scrutiny. She's dealing with it. She wrote the book for the kids...so they know they're special and unique so they have no doubts she loves them. We're a family doing what every other family is doing, it's family life.

Here's the transcript from CNN:

Let's go to our first guest, Kate Gosselin.

Her family's life is chronicled on the TLC reality series "Jon and Kate Plus 8." She's been with us before. It's lovely -- lovely looking, Kate. It's good to have her with us.

She's author of a terrific new book, already a best-seller, "Eight Little Faces

A Mom's Journey." There you see its cover.

What a wonderful family.

She's got this charming book out. The sextuplets turn five on Sunday -- Mother's Day. What an appropriate time.

Yet the big buzz is about the tabloid allegations about her husband, Jon.

So let's take care of that first.

What's the situation?

How are you coping?

KATE GOSSELIN: The situation is the tabloids are going crazy again. You know, it's a result of our situation -- our very public lives. We, as you know, have a reality show. Everyone wants to know everything about us. And I feel like this is a situation where, you know, you can't believe everything that you read. You know that. I know that.

And so we are dealing with it privately. We are handling it one step at a time. And I think the important thing to remember is that we love our kids to pieces. They are safe and happy and healthy. And of all times, their birthday is coming up. And I'm just thanking God for five wonderful years with eight wonderful kids. And, you know, we're just -- we're focusing on them.

KING: That's a good idea.

Now your kids, the sextuplets are turning five. The twins will be nine.

Are they aware of all this?

K. GOSSELIN: Fortunately, kids are kids. It's a situation where, yes, Kara and Mady are turning nine. They attend a very quiet, private school where, you know, people aren't paying attention to that. They're investing their time in their kids' education and activities. And, no, they are, at this point unaware. But they are very aware that we love them very much.

KING: We have a statement -- your husband issued this statement: "These allegations are false and just plain hurtful. As I adjust to the attention that comes from being in the public eye, I need to be more careful and aware of who I'm associating with and where I'm spending my time. The bottom line is I did not cheat on Kate. I'm sorry for putting my family in this awkward position, given some poor decisions and bad judgments I've made recently. I'm working through this difficult time with my family and my family is my top priority."

Do you know what he means by difficult times and bad judgment?

K. GOSSELIN: Well, this is a situation where, you have to understand, we are a couple, we are a family who didn't set out to live, you know, the celebrity lifestyle. We are living our lives like a normal family. Cameras come in and film us. And that, to the world -- to the public, makes us celebrities.

I do not like that word. I am not a celebrity...

KING: But...

K. GOSSELIN: ...I am a mom and a wife. And I feel that Jon is having difficult times realizing that, you know, you can't go to the grocery store without people whipping out their cell phones, calling everyone they know and taking pictures of you. He is dealing very poorly with it.

And I feel like these, you know, things are making him realize, oh, my gosh, I cannot go anywhere without everyone knowing...

KING: Are you...

K. GOSSELIN: ...who I am.

KING: Kate, are you now sorry you did this series, because you made the decision to become the celebrity?

K. GOSSELIN: You know, I am not sorry, because I look at life as a glass half full is my attitude. And I feel like we have learned a lot, the kids have gained a lot. We have benefited a lot. And life lessons is -- you will see in our show. And this is full of life lessons.

KING: OK.

K. GOSSELIN: Life happens. And, you know, we all have to react to what happens to us. And I choose happiness. And I choose to survive anything.

Kate's sextuplets have lived nearly all their lives in front of the cameras. What's going to happen when the cameras go away?

KING: That's quite a show -- and quite a hit show.

By the way, one other note on this question of the husband. The 23-year-old woman with whom some publications allege Jon has been involved with also denies there's been an affair and she says she and Jon are just friends.

How do the children handle cameras?

K. GOSSELIN: You know, they don't know anything different. The camera crew, to them, is a bunch of playmates. When we're not filming, they're hanging out with our crew, who love our kids very much. We handpick them as far as how they interact with the kids. And we're very fortunate to have a very wonderful production company and crew. And we work very well together.

They love them. They scream and shout when they -- when they show up.

KING: How about when they go away?

K. GOSSELIN: They hug and kiss them.

KING: What's -- what's the best thing about having this seen on television?

K. GOSSELIN: The best thing for us, to be quite honest, is the ability to be able to work from home. I realize, as my career has changed and grown, I am taken away from home more and more often. But one parent is always home with the kids. And the majority of the time, both of us are home.

And I feel that that is the best thing, because when I was, you know, pregnant with sextuplets thinking how in the world are we going to provide for these kids, how do you afford day care for eight kids and all of those thoughts, this has answered that problem.

And, furthermore -- which is very crazy to me, our show has become inspirational to people. They tell me via e-mail they turn off the TV and they're glad, you know, that they only have two kids to take care of. And if we can do with it eight, they can do it with two.

So that has been an added benefit. And I appreciate those encouraging e-mails from fans.

KING: All right. That's the pluses.

What are the minuses, Kate?

K. GOSSELIN: Well, you know, the minuses are the fact that Jon and I never get to leave work. We are always working. It's -- you know, you're finishing the e-mails, the conference calls, the calls late at night. There's always deadlines and things to turn in -- the stuff that you don't see, the behind-the-scenes of filming a show.

The kids are just living their lives. They're just playing. They -- they're oblivious to all of this and the cameras following them. But it's a very, very full-time job. And it comes with a lot of public, you know, scrutiny, as is evidenced in the current media -- things that nobody enjoys.

You know, I -- I'm -- I'm dealing with it and I'm -- I'm thick skinned. But, you know, that is definitely a humongous negative.

KING: You...

K. GOSSELIN: Everybody has an opinion.

KING: You're a noble lady.

By the way, Kate's posted a sextuplet birthday message on our blog. And you can check it out and post your comments at CNN.com/larryking.

Why -- why did you write this book?

K. GOSSELIN: You know, Larry, I wrote it for my kids. I wrote "Multiple Blessings" for my kids. I wrote "Eight Little Faces" for my kids. I want them to know that I did not set out to have eight children. That's very obvious. But each one of them is special to me and unique. And I want them to have written down so that there is no doubts ever in the future that I love them individually and as a group. And I -- I honestly have the best eight kids that there are and I'm very grateful.

KING: What were you doing before having children?

K. GOSSELIN: I was working as a nurse, saving money so that I could get married and have children.

KING: How did this TV series come about?

K. GOSSELIN: Actually, Discovery Health, the production company, e-mailed us and -- and said we're doing things on larger families, would you be interested in doing a documentary?

Knowing that they have a very good factual reputation, we decided that we would just collect these memories on -- on DVD. It had an overwhelming response, which turned into our second hour, "Twins and Sextuplets," one year later, which became "Jon & Kate Plus 8."

KING: What did Jon...

K. GOSSELIN: Did we ever think it would have this response?

KING: No.

K. GOSSELIN: Absolutely not.

KING: Why do you think it does?

K. GOSSELIN: Just because we're -- we're a family that is doing what every other family is doing, just with, you know, a handful of extra kids. It's -- it's family life. And, you know, I'm not willing to hide who I am. I -- it does not bother me that the cameras capture how I am. There's a couple episodes I wish I could send through the shredder. But other than that, you know, I don't mind it.

I'm -- I'm not going to hide who I am. And I'm willing to show that to people because nobody is perfect. And you'll never hear me say I'm perfect or even close to it.

KING: Do you control the editing?

K. GOSSELIN: We do not. That's why those episodes still air.

K. GOSSELIN: No, we do not. One -- you know, once it's filmed, it's in the can and -- and it's airable. If it's stuff that is -- I don't feel is appropriate, from the kid's standpoint to show, you know, about a certain child, I will be allowed to refute it. And the network is very happy to listen to that and change things.

But as far as myself, I don't know that I've ever asked that anything be changed about me, because I don't really care about me. I'm protecting the kids.

KING: Wow!

Thank you, Kate.

K. GOSSELIN: Absolutely.

Thank you.

KING: Kate Gosselin. The book, "Eight Little Faces

A Mom's Journey.".
 
I tivo'd. More of the same, same, same. Never mentioned once that she & Jon love each other. And she also spoke of Jon more like he was an errant child than her husband. He's having difficult times. He's dealing very poorly with this.

she also said the tabloids were going crazy again... not to believe everything you read. (well, that's interesting since Jon & Kate are releasing statements to the tabloids as well.)

Kate also claims they did not set to have a celebrity lifestyle.... she hates the word celebrity. But she's not sorry they did the series. Life lessons will what you see in their show. :::insert blah Kate face here ::: Kate chooses happiness. The fans keep her going, because Kate is their inspiration.

There's more, but it's all the same stuff .... she must have said um one hundred times.


BLAHHHAHHHAA, That was my take on it too, Both the Today show interview AND Larry King! Bla, Bla, "the kids are cared for and Loved" Bla Bla.. "Jon made some poor decisions".. Bla, Bla Bla....."The people keep me going because of the fan mailing saying "We're their inspiration"... Bla, Bla, Bla....:mic::coffee:popcorn:::rotfl2:
 
I think it's ironic that these two who never miss a photo op (or the $20 charge for their public to purchase said photo) and who force their kids to live even the most private moments in front of a camera suddenly need to "deal with this privately." If the show is your life and your life is the show, knock off the speeches written by a publicist and give us the scoop, Kate. ;)
 
I usually lurk on these threads because I am not a fan of Kate or the show for that matter, but I really hope the allegations aren't true. It's nothing I would want anyone to go through.
 
I don't think that Jon is cheating having sex with anyone beside Kate. I think this all is a publicity stunt for the new season to get people to watch to see what they will say or won't say

[The first incident I could see where they would use it. But that strain in Kate’s face, her attempt at survival mode, just blew away any theory I use to have in that. Something in all this clicked to Kate that it is more real then the TV episodes they make.

She knows Jon better then anyone. I think the statement saying what will be handled in the best interest of the kids will be how Kate will explain the lack of Jon being around. maybe Harriet and Ozzy go through a separation/divorce.

But, one thing I am not convinced of is the so called tape the brother made. If it was REALLY Jon, not a Jon substitute or created document:
* They would have zoomed in on the persons face to make sure you knew who it was, and kept rolling until the person got in the car and drove off, WITH well documented picture of Jon. for that reason I think Katie is in denial of the legit of that tape and sticks by Jon.

No One could accidentally produce a cheating husband that poorly...


From some of what was reported he said, to this girl, sounds like he created the relationship for kink and control She is young sucked in by his known status, cars and bid house. She needs to wake up, get out of town, and create a life for herself. I think her brother after going through what he did is on the right track to "Bust" the relationship, but doing it the wrong way.

He likely got paid $$$ for that video, and really I think he did create it for the money. He is going to pissed at his sister if they shared the home for free, if it may have been a parental, or grandparent home. The girl may be using Jon for the $$$ to create the love nest and buy out the brother Or if they rent get him out of the agreement.

But, Kate will be making changes, Jon already said he did not want to go on with the show; his role is going to change and that will be discussed. It was touched on the last show of the season. The Jon had spoke of his role. Kate, will keep the show going as long as TLC lets her. I am sure they must have consulted with her about this last season before this all "hit the fan." Perhaps that they will be working around Jon more and see if it works out.

So wrong for her, trying to cling to the fame and $$$$ at the sake of her kids and the marriage.

It was painful to watch the once aggressively happy Kate, her larger then life actions and reactions, sitting in the hot seat yesterday.
It seems It may not be called Jon and Kate plus 8, but maybe take the title of her book, or the Gosslins Show.....

Reminds me of the Canadian Gov. and the Dionne (sp) Quints way back and the explotation they had.

I rather enjoyed the Dilley's growing up with occasional interviews and looked forward to that. It was without being in their lives like this show was.
Soon we will see what direction things take.
 
I don't think that Jon is cheating having sex with anyone beside Kate. I think this all is a publicity stunt for the new season to get people to watch to see what they will say or won't say

It seems that many are saying how evil and awful she is. Can you blame him for seeking someone that sees him for him? Whatever that might be.

Someone commented on how they treated an ex-boyfriend similarly. However, she could not do that to her current DH. I know I would not tolerate that treatment.

My best guess is that if they were not doing the show, she would have driven him into the ground a long time ago. That is just her nature. Maybe she should try out for the role of the wicked stepmother. :rotfl:
 
In Kate's defense, if were her I don't think I would be talking about my love for Jon right now either. Jon behaves more like a child more than he does a husband. Maybe if he would act like a man, she would respect him and start showing it. They both engage in such a vicious cycle.


I couldn't agree more! They have a parent child relationship! There is something about Jon that has always bugged me.... maybe because I am like Kate! :lmao:Who knows!
 
First off, good morning everyone and Happy Mother's Day in case I don't make it back today! Also, Happy Birthday to the Tups!!! :banana: Also wanted to say thanks to everyone for the itelligent conversation - it's great!! :goodvibes

I watched Larry King last night - not impressed! She seemed to have a bit more personality which was nice. Instead of shoving her hair out of her face all the time, maybe she should cut it. That bugged me too (but that could be because it was late and I was just aggrivated in general!). I thought it was odd that Kate said Mady and Cara didn't know any of what was going on. I do think that's good but I wish she would have explained a little more or something. How does she know they know nothing? Have they just not asked her about it or they're keeping them home from school or how's that working? Purely just because I'm curious that's all.:rolleyes1

I also think there's more to J&K's relationship. Jon's got to be feeling a bit of "failure" - sterotypically the husband or wife provides for the family or both parents work or whatever to support the family. This isn't so much the case with them. Maybe he's feeling not "good enough" for not being able to provide for them and that's part of his logic for continuing the show for so long knowing that's how he's able to make enough to provide for everyone. If this is his mindset, there has to be some crazy frustration and agression if it was Kate's idea to move to a bigger house, need new stuff, always spending money. I know in our house, I get frustrated with DH when he's out spending money and we're trying to save for something. He doesn't see the problem because he can go work another shift and make it back where I'm more worried about what we've got and trying to get down our list of priorities (which sometimes isn't the same I think is safe to say).

Kate comes off as very controllig. I know she (or others) have said she's very OCD about things. I find this kind of hard to believe with her being gone so much. I'm pretty particular about some things (can't say I'm OCD but DH might!) and won't allow others to do those things (if they do I come back and re-do them - can't see where Kate would have time for this).

I don't know...they certainly have a parent child relationship at the least. For some people that works. For me, it wouldn't. I hope they're ALL getting the help that they need to work through this.
 
[The first incident I could see where they would use it. But that strain in Kate’s face, her attempt at survival mode, just blew away any theory I use to have in that. Something in all this clicked to Kate that it is more real then the TV episodes they make.

She knows Jon better then anyone. I think the statement saying what will be handled in the best interest of the kids will be how Kate will explain the lack of Jon being around. maybe Harriet and Ozzy go through a separation/divorce.

But, one thing I am not convinced of is the so called tape the brother made. If it was REALLY Jon, not a Jon substitute or created document:
* They would have zoomed in on the persons face to make sure you knew who it was, and kept rolling until the person got in the car and drove off, WITH well documented picture of Jon. for that reason I think Katie is in denial of the legit of that tape and sticks by Jon.

No One could accidentally produce a cheating husband that poorly...

From some of what was reported he said, to this girl, sounds like he created the relationship for kink and control She is young sucked in by his known status, cars and bid house. She needs to wake up, get out of town, and create a life for herself. I think her brother after going through what he did is on the right track to "Bust" the relationship, but doing it the wrong way.

He likely got paid $$$ for that video, and really I think he did create it for the money. He is going to pissed at his sister if they shared the home for free, if it may have been a parental, or grandparent home. The girl may be using Jon for the $$$ to create the love nest and buy out the brother Or if they rent get him out of the agreement.

But, Kate will be making changes, Jon already said he did not want to go on with the show; his role is going to change and that will be discussed. It was touched on the last show of the season. The Jon had spoke of his role. Kate, will keep the show going as long as TLC lets her. I am sure they must have consulted with her about this last season before this all "hit the fan." Perhaps that they will be working around Jon more and see if it works out.

So wrong for her, trying to cling to the fame and $$$$ at the sake of her kids and the marriage.

It was painful to watch the once aggressively happy Kate, her larger then life actions and reactions, sitting in the hot seat yesterday.
It seems It may not be called Jon and Kate plus 8, but maybe take the title of her book, or the Gosslins Show.....

Reminds me of the Canadian Gov. and the Dionne (sp) Quints way back and the explotation they had.

I rather enjoyed the Dilley's growing up with occasional interviews and looked forward to that. It was without being in their lives like this show was.
Soon we will see what direction things take.

I think the tape you mentioned is of the teacher and an EX boyfriend NOT Jon.

Disclaimer: I did not watch the tape ;)
 
I've been wondering. Why can't Jon do any of the interviews or speak out?
Kate has taken over the show, the decisions, everything. No wonder he's getting burned out by the show, and possibly straying.
 
I've been wondering. Why can't Jon do any of the interviews or speak out?
Kate has taken over the show, the decisions, everything. No wonder he's getting burned out by the show, and possibly straying.

He did speak out. That ridiculous statement, remember?
 
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