Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[PrincessKsMom]

Did she have 6 of the same age? Because there is a HUGE difference between having 7 children and having 8 children with 6 of them being the same age.

No they weren't. I will admit that the last was a sort of change of life baby, so she really was somewhat separate from the others, but at one point the others were: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

How do you know that Jon isn't using a babysitter as well? Again, Jon is portrayed as a saint while Kate is evil incarnate.

True, but Jon doesn't play the martyr and talk about what a hard life he has and how much is expected of him. And he doesn't mention how he's about to lose it but he'll let us know before he does. He keeps his mouth shut. Kate should take a page from him.

Yep....but my comment was to the PP who was talking about how great her Aunt was because she had 7 children....not this outing in particular.

I personally wouldn't want to be in charge of 6 kids who just turned 5.

I never said how great my aunt is. She's just like thousands of other moms who raise their kids by themselves without help from a crew, and still manage to maintain a job, part-time or otherwise.

 

[C.Ann]

Geez, this thread has been hopping along today! Ok, let's mix things up a little...

So for those reading along who think the Gosselin kids are just fine and being properly cared for, would you put your life and kids on TV for money? I don't care how many kids you have, be it 1 or 20. I'm really interested to see what you all think!

For the record, I would never put my family and 3 kids on TV for money. I think it's unhealthy and will affect them negatively. There, I said it!

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That would be a great new thread.. Just sayin'...

 

[caralyn817]

I have been following this thread for awhile and have decided to come out and say sometimes. First off, I do enjoy watching the program but only for the kids. I love watching their personailities and especially love hearing the things that they say. I am not a big fan of Kate however. She is constantly stating that she does everything all by herself with no help. I would love for her to walk in a teachers footsteps for a week. I have 18 kids to deal with each day. I have kids from all different backgrounds and with very different personalities. I have kids with disabilities, behavioral problems, homeless, and much more. I deal with them everyday and somedays seriously make me just want to scream. She has 6 kids to deal with on a daily basis if that now with them starting school. She needs to step into the lives of a teacher and maybe it will keep her from complaining more, but no she'll still complain. I honestly feel bad for the kids, especially the two girls. They don't get much attention and I can definitely see problems in the future with them reaching out for attention from their parents in other ways. That's just my opinion.

 

[bbsak]

So when did they talk to Jon and Kate exactly? They did say they hadn't spoken to them in a year?

I've no idea when they spoke to J&K about their concerns. I'm only going by what they said in their interview clip that aired, I believe, yesterday. I know Jody and Beth had concerns while they were on the show. Perhaps K&J talked to J&K while they were still on the show. I have no idea. I simply referred to what they said themselves.

 

[turkeymama]

I have been following this thread for awhile and have decided to come out and say sometimes. First off, I do enjoy watching the program but only for the kids. I love watching their personailities and especially love hearing the things that they say. I am not a big fan of Kate however. She is constantly stating that she does everything all by herself with no help. I would love for her to walk in a teachers footsteps for a week. I have 18 kids to deal with each day. I have kids from all different backgrounds and with very different personalities. I have kids with disabilities, behavioral problems, homeless, and much more. I deal with them everyday and somedays seriously make me just want to scream. She has 6 kids to deal with on a daily basis if that now with them starting school. She needs to step into the lives of a teacher and maybe it will keep her from complaining more, but no she'll still complain. I honestly feel bad for the kids, especially the two girls. They don't get much attention and I can definitely see problems in the future with them reaching out for attention from their parents in other ways. That's just my opinion.

While I agree with most of what you say (I'm a future teacher myself, 1 more year of school), there is a difference between teaching 18 kids and having multiple kids at home. Please don't be offended, I have worked at plenty of preschools and been responsible for my share of the crew sometimes as many as 20 three and four year olds. I know how much work it is. But in all honesty, its just different when you have multiple kids at home everyday. They never leave. I know, I know. That was her choice so I don't exactly feel pity for her. I'm just saying it is a little different. That's all.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I think the Gosselin's love their children however, I think Kate loves Kate the most.


MsA

I concur!

 

[1stluvispooh]

Without expressions online it's hard to see what any of us are saying without misunderstandings. I do see that Kate seems to be very good about making this roll into money. So, while I believe she loves her children and is trying to do what is best for them, I've also said some things about what they allow on the show back in the begining and even last year that I didn't think should have been shown. But I have to say, when I read the blog, I read it as a nice thing. She hadn't expected to take them out by herself (I wasn't under the impression that either the bodyguard or the camera people were babysitters), she thought she would have help with either Jon or the sitter, but she didn't and so she did it anyway. She sounded to me, like someone that was proud of herself that she was able to handle 8 kids out in the store by herself.

I'm a happy camper when I take three grandkids down to go fishing, and they don't 'catch' eah other or put out any eyes. I guess I'm not as talented as others, when it comes to a crowd of kids.

I just took it as I assume she meant it. A mom happy to be home for awhile from selling the book, and pleased to do something fun with her whole crew. A little nervous because she hadn't been out by herself in public (yes, I know she had camera people, and a bodyguard but how much can they protect her from the lenses?), but wanting to do this fun thing with her kids.

It is interesting how we all see it from different points of view. I can't think of a single thing that Kate could do right (other than shutting down the show) to please some people. She really is darned if she does and darned if she doesn't. As for her constantly traveling..she was out selling her books, but except for recently, it wasn't always constant.

I'm glad she had a fun day out with the kids, and I hope once they got home, they felt safe in the country and got to spend nice time together. Buying that home seems to be a good thing and use of their money. A safe haven from the paparazzi..well, those without the long lenses, anyway.

My point is didn't she think at some point she would have to take the kids out all by herself????? Mom's do it everyday. Yes we might not have 8 but still. Moms have to take ALL of their kids out to the store at some point. Why should it be any different for her/?

 

[1stluvispooh]

We do agree about expressions online it's hard to see what any of us are saying without misunderstandings.

When I saw the photos of Kate out shopping with the group on Saturday I thought of a few things. 1. These errands are the type of things her assistant usually does - why is she doing this? 2. Then I answered my question. She was on this outing for a couple of reasons; those being that it was scripted/planned to put in the Birthday episode on Monday and also so that she could be photographed by the papparazzi with her kids (because of the criticism she's recently received for not being with her kids) and not be shielded from the lenses she says she abhors. Actually, she needs them around taking pics of her in positive family situations. It worked. She got the positive press on Saturday - she was on every entertainment/gossip blog the second they hit the first web site.

Did anyone else pick up on the fact that the kids were dress as always in matching outfits but nice clothes. Better than what my kids go to school in. I mean it looked like they were in their Sunday best. All the girls in dresses

 

[Kycha]

Geez, this thread has been hopping along today! Ok, let's mix things up a little...

So for those reading along who think the Gosselin kids are just fine and being properly cared for, would you put your life and kids on TV for money? I don't care how many kids you have, be it 1 or 20. I'm really interested to see what you all think!

For the record, I would never put my family and 3 kids on TV for money. I think it's unhealthy and will affect them negatively. There, I said it!

Honestly, I don't know. And really, that is more because I am a very private person and I would probably freeze in front of a camera.(Now that would make a great show) But, if I were in the same circumstances as the Gosselins when they did their first special...8 small kids, husband unemployed, wife working part time as a nurse...I would seriously consider it. Probably just a special or two, not a whole series.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

My point is didn't she think at some point she would have to take the kids out all by herself????? Mom's do it everyday. Yes we might not have 8 but still. Moms have to take ALL of their kids out to the store at some point. Why should it be any different for her/?

I agree. My 3 kids are 18 months apart. At one point they were all in diapers! But I went out, all the time, alone. Plus, I recall Kate taking all the kids to Sesame Street Live and remarking about how she could do it all, she could take them on an outing like this all alone. Does anyone else remember? She was pretty pleased with herself to have been able to do that but we're supposed to be amazed that she could take them to a party store? Sorry, not buying it. Kate is clever and that blog was total damage control. Talk about spinning it to your favor. Did you all read the comments on her blog? It was an absolute love-fest with tons of people calling her amazing, inspirational, strong mother, and generally urging her to keep the faith. Wow, she's got a lot of fans apparently!

 

[bbsak]

You quoted me when I said: I want to see 'real'. If they're going to tell us their sob story of how their lives have changed because of the show on Mon, then I want to see their real lives. The nannies, the cooks, the bodyguards, etc, etc.

You said: Honestly, when is enough enough. They have said numerous times that they have help, especially nannies. Are they supposed to have a little clip before each show with the breakdown of who did what...
"In the production of the show, the following services were utilized...
2 Nannies 24 hours, 1 Cook 20 hours, 2 Bodyguards 48 hours"
Would that satisfy people??? I doubt it. It would just give more fuel to the fire. Over and over again J&K have tried to address criticism from critics and questions from fans. And it just makes things worse.

I disagree. What I said was that I wanted to see their REAL life as it is NOW and how the show has changed it. I'm tired of the scripted vacation shows and I am genuinely interested in seeing how they make their schedules work, who does what, how they coordinate things and I want them to stop making up stories and giving us half-truths. If there is a cook because Kate is on the road, then fine but show her/him if a meal is in the shot - what is the point in hiding their realities? If Kate feels unsafe taking the kids out alone because of the recent frenzy, and if they're going to tell us about shopping for the party on the show on Monday, then show us who went and what it was like. Telling people less parts of a story only leads to speculation. By now everyone knows 2 bodyguards accompanied her to shop for the kid's party. Will they be shown? I'm hoping they will be shown along with the crazies who have been following them around. I want to see the Gosselin 'reality show'. That's what's been advertised and talked about for years, but we've steadily gotten farther and farther from the 'real'.

Me, I'd much rather put it out there and tell it like it is, on a need to know basis. People are going to judge them anyway no matter what they do. If I was in their position I'd much rather know I told the truth and then laugh at the people who still misjudged and disbelieved me instead of hiding part of the real story. It's a difference in people's thought processes, decision making, and life choices. This world would be awfully boring if we were all alike and did everything the same.

 

[bbsak]

Kate is clever and that blog was total damage control. Talk about spinning it to your favor. Did you all read the comments on her blog? It was an absolute love-fest with tons of people calling her amazing, inspirational, strong mother, and generally urging her to keep the faith. Wow, she's got a lot of fans apparently!

They're very strongly picking and choosing which comments to post and which to not. Mine didn't make it through and neither did posts by at least 4 others I know. They weren't super critical, just honest and encouraging. However, they weren't part of the love-fest going on there right now.

How many people believe Kate wrote the blog? Compare it to her writings in her books or her comments made in magazines and on tv interviews. Do you still think she wrote it? I'll eat the paper this comment is printed on if it's proven she actually wrote it.

 

[MichelleVW]

Did anyone else pick up on the fact that the kids were dress as always in matching outfits but nice clothes. Better than what my kids go to school in. I mean it looked like they were in their Sunday best. All the girls in dresses

They were wearing cute little dresses.....I don't think they looked like they were in anything special. It's how I dressed my girls and yep....they used to match...

 

[Promomx2]

Did anyone else realize that Kate waited until the day before the party to go by the party stuff? Most moms I know have that stuff well in advance, but we usually forget something and have to send dh out to get it.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Did anyone else realize that Kate waited until the day before the party to go by the party stuff? Most moms I know have that stuff well in advance, but we usually forget something and have to send dh out to get it.

Once again I guess I am a bad parent because I usually buy the stuff a day or two before the party. I don't agree with the way Kate acts, I guess I need to look in the mirror.

 

[turkeymama]

Once again I guess I am a bad parent because I usually buy the stuff a day or two before the party. I don't agree with the way Kate acts, I guess I need to look in the mirror.

I'm with you. When my son turned 1, I was literally shopping for party supplies the morning of the party. Talk about winging it.

 

[DMRick]

My point is didn't she think at some point she would have to take the kids out all by herself????? Mom's do it everyday. Yes we might not have 8 but still. Moms have to take ALL of their kids out to the store at some point. Why should it be any different for her/?

I'm sure some people take 8 of their kids out at one time shopping (I'd love to know what my granmother did with her 22 kids, all 10 months apart..oh, that's right, she left when the youngest was 2 months old (I'm sure she was overwhelmed), so I didn't get to know her to ask). Maybe now that Kate has, she will again. It sounded to me like she thought she was going to have help, and maybe the kids are still young enough to wander, and she thought while everyone was picking stuff out as well as herself, it would be easier with another person. But she did it, sounds like it went well, so I'm sure she'll do it again. I wonder if people are always coming up to them, when they go out.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Did anyone else realize that Kate waited until the day before the party to go by the party stuff? Most moms I know have that stuff well in advance, but we usually forget something and have to send dh out to get it.

That's the way I am, usually I have all my party supplies a month ahead but then again, I'm a little bit of an over-planner! Some people leave stuff like that to the last minute although Kate always struck me as someone super organized so it was a bit surprising to pick it all up the day of. Seriously, let's not be so hard on Kate. She was really busy and I'm sure she had a checklist to get done:

1. Tanning
2. Several speaking engagements to go to and books to sign
3. Tanning
4. People Magazine interview
5. Tanning
6. Shop at Target
7. Tanning
8. Go home to see the kids
9. Tanning
10. Pick up party stuff day of the party!
And somewhere in the middle of all that, I'm sure Jon got quite an earful!

 

[Promomx2]