Jon and Kate Plus 8 official Thread, Part 2!!

[Maggimus]

While things may be calm here- compared to other websites, it still doesn't make it okay. If their problems are so obvious- why beat a dead horse? Someone said that no one has talked ill of the kids. I don't think thats ever been brought up as an issue on this thread. However, if you talk bad about the parents... it WILL hurt the kids. Don't think for a minute that these kids don't know all the terrible things that have been said about their parents (or atleast wont find out in the near future). Sure, just because they may want to do the show doesnt make it "right"... but who are we to judge? We each have our day... and im not the one to say that that's the road they should or shouldn't be taking. I will say that I won't play a role in the bashing. I know for me, that isn't right. None of us on this thread can make some of you stop the bashing, negativity, or judgemental attitudes... but we can try to tell you why it might not be the right/nice thing to contribute and add to all the negativity around. Just because "everyone else" (on other boards) are doing it... doesn't mean I want to jump on the bandwagon.

As for the 'well-being' of the kids... im not seeing physical abuse? Nor am I seeing mental or emotional abuse. There are some pretty abusive parents out there that aren't on camera... yet we call this couple abusive. IMO, if there was abuse in the house (or even thought to be)... a CPS worker would definitely be onto it. These people have a TV show- it isn't as though the right authorities aren't paying close attention. And honestly, I don't know that many of us could do much better having that many kids. Like a previous poster said-- many of us need a break from 1... imagine 8!

I'll walk away from this civil discussion about the negativity now. I was really hoping this thread would be more about "aww did you see how cute Joel was on the last episode"... etc. But I've seen very few of those comments here.

And for the record... i'm not a Kate "Supporter"... i'm just an innocent bystandard who doesn't like to see a family belittled and nitpicked for every little thing they do.

 

[allison443]

More OT-met up with TotalSnowWhite yesterday for a ride on Space Mountain!!!

That's great! I hope you guys were able to refrain from discussing J & K!!

 

[madge]

That's great! I hope you guys were able to refrain from discussing J & K!!

haven't you heard?! Kate's joining them!

 

[DreaGirl]

Actually, we do have a right to comment and judge. Did I miss the memo that said only positive comments are allowed about Jon and Kate? Hello- these people have completely opened up their lives and the lives of their children, for all the world to see. Do you not expect people to have their own judgments and opinions on this? Especially those that feel that this is completely unfair to the kids?

Everytime I hear someone comment "Well, if someone had a camera on me all day they would see some not-so-sweet moments in my house" I want to scream! Guess what- you DON'T have cameras in your face and the faces of your children all day. When you make the decision to do what the Gosselins did, which was open their lives to anyone who wanted to watch, supporter or non-supporter, then you accept the consequences of those actions. Your life is open for critique at any moment, but this is what they signed up for. The thing is, they could have stopped this madness months, if not years ago, but they chose not too. So now they have to lie in the bed they made, and we can all have our opinions on it- GOOD OR BAD!

Exactly! Thank you for making such a great post!

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Jon & Kate Gosselin chose to turn their life into a TV show. Maybe to them,the rewards from doing the show are greater than all of the negative criticism. As long as they choose to put themselves out there, people will comment. That's really what it boils down to, IMO.

I think, for the most part, this thread is pretty consistent. There are people on both sides of the debate here (Two of the more vocal JK8 supporters on this thread are at WDW this week. ) I don't see too many comments on this thread/board about the children, certainly nothing like what's been said on other sites.

I agree Madge. I only discuss Jon & Kate. I think if they were both totally honest and not try to hide things like (Nannys, friends helping out, freebies, etc.) then there wouldn't be as many critics as there are now.

I really have to say I agree with you. I cannot understand why people bother to watch if all they are doing is looking for negative things to comment about. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Just not nice.

This isn't a "just be nice to J&K thread. I watch the show and see good and bad, just like life.

For the record, I no longer really watch the show. If I flip by and it is on I will watch for a bit, but quite frankly the show bores me now so that is why I stopped watching. However, while there are some people that SPECIFICALLY watch the show to find negative things, I think for the most part the negative things are there no matter what and are fairly easy to find. For many people, the whole idea of the show anymore is such a turnoff, and some folks truly are concerned for the kids at this point.

As far as your comment, "Just because you can doesn't mean you should". Well, Jon and Kate CAN continue to put their lives and the lives of their kids on display, but it doesn't mean they SHOULD. And if they do, they're always going to have critics. And rightly so.

I agree.

While things may be calm here- compared to other websites, it still doesn't make it okay. If their problems are so obvious- why beat a dead horse? Someone said that no one has talked ill of the kids. I don't think thats ever been brought up as an issue on this thread. However, if you talk bad about the parents... it WILL hurt the kids. Don't think for a minute that these kids don't know all the terrible things that have been said about their parents (or atleast wont find out in the near future). Sure, just because they may want to do the show doesnt make it "right"... but who are we to judge? We each have our day... and im not the one to say that that's the road they should or shouldn't be taking. I will say that I won't play a role in the bashing. I know for me, that isn't right. None of us on this thread can make some of you stop the bashing, negativity, or judgemental attitudes... but we can try to tell you why it might not be the right/nice thing to contribute and add to all the negativity around. Just because "everyone else" (on other boards) are doing it... doesn't mean I want to jump on the bandwagon.

That is the reality when you have a reality show on television. If J&K were worried about people being negative, then they should have stopped the show a long time ago. On the same thought, J&K have said negative things about their own children on the show that I wouldn't want any kid to hear. So, I guess they really aren't that concerned about it.

 

[DreaGirl]

Maybe if you didn't hold them under a microscope and get on with your own life it wouldn't bother you so much. People make time for themselves. If he wants a video game so what. You haven't any right to comment or judge.

Whoa! Chill out. I'm not holding them under a microscope. I watch the show and comment on things I see.

I do have a right to comment or even judge. They put it out there, if they didn't want critics then they shouldn't put their lives on TV. I would hate for people to pick apart my life, thus, I would never put my life on TV.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Did anyone see the commercial for the new show coming on TLC. I love the catch line that says "You have seen how it is to live with 8, now see how it is with 12"
To me it looks like Jon and Kate my be coming to a end soon. there will be a new family to watch and I think everyone is sick of Kate. I have stopped watching because I just can't take her and the way she treats everyone. The things that come out of her mouth are bad. I am not saying I am a perfect parent by any means but then again I am not living my life for the camera.

 

[TheZue]

Did anyone see the commercial for the new show coming on TLC. I love the catch line that says "You have seen how it is to live with 8, now see how it is with 12"
To me it looks like Jon and Kate my be coming to a end soon. there will be a new family to watch and I think everyone is sick of Kate. I have stopped watching because I just can't take her and the way she treats everyone. The things that come out of her mouth are bad. I am not saying I am a perfect parent by any means but then again I am not living my life for the camera.

Well TLC will keep airing it until they are down to their last freaking viewer, then they'll find something else. Remember how long they kept putting trading spaces on? They'll be on for a while. I'm pretty bored of it too.

I did notice the body language on the last new one I watched. It was almost like those talk shows where people hate each other. Hopefully they'll get through this.

 

[kaysmommie]

I think this thread as a whole is very negative. Regardless of how you feel... these are parents of kids. No one deserves to be bashed as much as this couple has been. Jon has two legs and can walk out on his own into the real world if he so desires. Kate is a grown woman and can act how she wants, and will eventually reep what she sows. We don't know the in's and out's of their lives... we watch a small episode one night a week about them. This is a very skewed look at a family. I think if people dislike Kate this much, and don't support the couple as a whole (and if you don't like the way Kate treats Jon, then you fall in this category)-- then why watch the show? Why breed the negativity. What are we teaching our kids? To be highly judgemental of others? Sure we all have our own opinions... but when it comes to the well being of a family as a whole- why not keep them to yourself. These comments will eventually (if they haven't already) effect those kids as well. Why not do your part and not contribute to the negativity. This is not only a TV show- but these are real people.

First let me say I absolutely couldn't agree more ! Also wanted to say congrats as I see your expecting . I read your fairytale wedding report a while back.

 

[KristiKelly]

A little off topic but I found out today that DD's preschool teacher from last year is pregnant with twin girls, she also has 8 year old twin girls as well. No fertility, just luck.

 

[madge]

Well TLC will keep airing it until they are down to their last freaking viewer, then they'll find something else. Remember how long they kept putting trading spaces on? They'll be on for a while. I'm pretty bored of it too.

bingo.

 

[disneymarie]

A little off topic but I found out today that DD's preschool teacher from last year is pregnant with twin girls, she also has 8 year old twin girls as well. No fertility, just luck.

How shocking and wonderful for their family.
I often wonder if because families have been reducing the children they have from our grandoarents and parents of 12 to 6 to only 2 or 3, is Mother Nature taking things into her own hands and doubling up, or doubling the doublings.
In our family, my cousins have had three sets of twins this generation and never had them in our family history.

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[Maggimus]

First let me say I absolutely couldn't agree more ! Also wanted to say congrats as I see your expecting . I read your fairytale wedding report a while back.

Thank you!! It always brings a smile to my face when someone remembers my TR. I cannot believe that was 3 years ago. Seems like Dh and I do things in 3's.. engagement 3yrs before marriage. marriage 3 yrs before a baby. We are really excited though! Can you tell? Im rambling? LOL... Thanks again!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well TLC will keep airing it until they are down to their last freaking viewer, then they'll find something else. Remember how long they kept putting trading spaces on? They'll be on for a while. I'm pretty bored of it too.

No kidding! Trading Spaces was awesome back in what, 2003? Then for like 3 more years it was still on and I was thinking what the heck? Isn't everyone sick of this show?

I agree, I'm bored with Jon and Kate plus 8 now too. But you're right. Even if they do end the show soon (which I highly doubt because where else will their $ come from) it'll be beat to death by re-runs.

I think all this hype abou the season finally is certainly something to do with the whole Jon/bar/college girls/pictures/what the heck was he thinking/Kate's gonna kill him subject. The clip shows them all serious (of course they've looked that way before!) but Jon says they're working on it, no, he's working on it. Sounds like maybe they were separated or something and are trying to muddle through it. I thought it was strange to have just Cara and Jon gone on a big trip so that got me thinking too. When my parents divorced, my dad took me and my little sister on a weekend trip for extra bonding/reassurement time. I don't know, it seems something is up and I don't think it's getting rid of the dogs. We'll have to wait and see...

 

[OhMari]

I actually watched a JK8 marathon last nite.
What a difference there is on the couch with the interviews.
You have Jon making silly faces and smiling at the camera and actually making comments when Kate talks.
One of the episodes had them talking about each child.
Jon made the comment, that he was going to start complimenting good behavior and not focus on bad behavior anymore.
It was funny, because Kate echoed him.

They also saw how quiet Kara was, yet they said, when she blows she blows and she starts talking in a different language because she is holds all her frustrations in and when she has a melt down, she is all gibberish.

I really don't know how I feel if they should stay together and work it out, or they really do have to many differences. Kate seems more calm (oddly) without Jon around. With Monday's episode, I don't know if the camera's just made it seem like Kate could finally handle things, ie, drive to sesame Street Live, take care of 7, or if she had help.
Plus, wasn't it about this time, she started showing up on different talk shows with just the kids, like Access Hollywood and The Morning Show?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

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[MichelleVW]

Omg, you guys have been busy while I have been having fun at Disney!!


Just stopping by to say hello and I'm hitting the sack early tonight because tomorrow is a LOOOONG day at the MK!

Went to AK today-then hung out by the pool-then DTD for a margarita and the Earl of Sandwich!!

Later guys!!!

 

[DreaGirl]

Omg, you guys have been busy while I have been having fun at Disney!!


Just stopping by to say hello and I'm hitting the sack early tonight because tomorrow is a LOOOONG day at the MK!

Went to AK today-then hung out by the pool-then DTD for a margarita and the Earl of Sandwich!!

Later guys!!!

What an awesome day!! I'm so jealous!!

Have fun at MK tomorrow.

 

[bbsak]

The man can't even buy/get for free/whatever a video game without critics complaining??

I don't think anyone's complaining about that. At the time of the hour long special they were getting the free food, diapers, formula, cribs, etc.....Jon had not been steadily working and they were pleading for donations on their website. They even supposedly asked for help paying their electric bill. Sure, a man can buy anything he wants - if he can afford to pay for it, and not if it's at the expense of the PA taxpayers (who paid for a full time medicaid nurse for free for the tups for a year and set up college scholarships for them) and who cried for handouts everytime they turned around.

 

[nickey]

Im not a lover or hater of the show just watcher. I think they beat this show to death. We are watching K make soup and watching the kids run wild through the 1.3 mill playground. Also the trips are sad they should be so excited and the parents are miserable from the time they get into the car. Were not forcing them to go. I feel there marriage is on the rocks J wants to go back to his single days when he wasnt getting screamed at. They say there parents are not involved so I can imagine his mom tellng him to stop watching 8 kids an stay with me and my broken foot. Cant her husband help her he must have when J was out at the bars. I think its time to pack it in and get a real job since they never really supported there famiy on there own.

 

[bbsak]

Im not a lover or hater of the show just watcher. I think they beat this show to death. We are watching K make soup and watching the kids run wild through the 1.3 mill playground. I think its time to pack it in and get a real job since they never really supported there famiy on there own.

You wrote a few simple words yet they said so much. Jon and Kate really have never supported their whole family since the tups were born. We all think of going to work, paying bills, saving and planning for WDW vacations; yet these are things the Gosselin's haven't experienced and that in it's profound simplicity is unimaginable and very sad to me.

The things most of us do regularly and with almost no thought because they're such routine tasks, the Gosselin's have never experienced. Since the sextuplets were brought home their lives have been 'abnormal'. Jon didn't work, they had donations rolling in like crazy, volunteers constantly in the house, and it's grown into multi-year tv contracts for the family. They have never experienced the joys of parenting on their own - they've always had help (or interference depending on how you view the show). Their vacations have been courtesy of the show as have theme park visits, shopping, etc, even their appearance has to look a specific way, and their is time not their own. But, they made the choice to exchange life as most of us experience it for life in a reality tv show.

I love my life. I love doing things FOR and with my family. I think the Gosselin's have robbed their family of the experiences we all cherish in exchange for an intrusive television show. IMO, I think they're wondering if their choices have been worth losing the everyday lifestyle we take for granted. I wouldn't trade my life to be in a reality tv show, to be critiqued, photographed, always surrounded by too many people. I'll take my family, friends, house, and lifestyle anyday over theirs and the choices they've made for themselves and their children.