Jodi Arias Trial Part 2, starting with JM cross of JA

[PebblesMK]

That is the premeditation. Her story 1.0 was that she was no where near Mesa on June 4. She also turned off her cell phone so it would not ping, has no cc receipts during this time, and no one, including Travis knew she was heading there. She drove 1000 miles for no reason, toward her abusive pedophile not-boyfriend after her grandparents gun was stolen.

Premeditation.

Is it sad that I'm kind of excited for the made for TV movie that will most likely come out shortly after the trial?

 

[mattzane227]

Going back to the text messages they showed of Travis calling Jodi pure evil, do you think that after he made that comment about her sounding like a 12 year old girl, when they got into a fight later she called him a pedophile b/c of that comment and maybe said I've got it recorded too? Then later she just makes up all this other pedophile stuff to go along with the one comment?

 

[usnuzuloose]

I think she introduced him to that stuff. Just like the tubed stuff. Most times when people say it is the other persons thing they are into, they are actually talking about themselves.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Going back to the text messages they showed of Travis calling Jodi pure evil, do you think that after he made that comment about her sounding like a 12 year old girl, when they got into a fight later she called him a pedophile b/c of that comment and maybe said I've got it recorded too? Then later she just makes up all this other pedophile stuff to go along with the one comment?

I think the recording of Travis saying Jodi sounded like a 12 year old *etc, etc, and that it's hot makes it sound like Travis might have had pedophiliac tendencies. I just don't know any men who would think that of 12 year old girls.

* Still keeping in mind this is a family board so it's hard to delicately post what Travis said on the taped conversation.

 

[cheerful chickadee]

Regarding the text messages around May 28th-ish between Travis and Jodi....he called her a sociopath, saying people don't know all the psycho things she's done and that she needs to fess up or something along those lines.....does anyone know what that was about? Did she say what they were arguing about? and since she's a liar.....what does everyone think it was really about?

IMO those texts and that argument sealed his fate in her mind, no one was going to talk to her like that, threaten her, etc. That is when she decided to kill him and that is when she stole the gun and set the plan in motion.

RE: Ryan Burns, he was not as well off as Travis, if I recall correctly, he was living with his parents when jodi visited him. I don't think she really liked him at all, he was her alibi, nothing more.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

OK, I'm sitting here watching some recorded HLN shows from Thurs and Friday, and now every time they replay Juan Martinez cross examining JA about the "pop rocks and tootsie pops", I hear him in my head saying it like Greg Brady saying "pork chops and applesauce".

 

[mattzane227]

I think the recording of Travis saying Jodi sounded like a 12 year old *etc, etc, and that it's hot makes it sound like Travis might have had pedophiliac tendencies. I just don't know any men who would think that of 12 year old girls.

* Still keeping in mind this is a family board so it's hard to delicately post what Travis said on the taped conversation.

There's a pretty big jump between what he said on that call (which was creepy I will admit) and what she said she walked in on him doing. I don't know if saying that would make him have a tendency to be attracted to 5 year old boys.

Different topic. Jodi said that she pointed the gun at him with both hands. He came at her like a linebacker and grabbed her around the waist. Wouldn't he try to grab the gun out of her hands, not grab her waist? You wouldn't leave her arms free to be able to shoot you.

It's also interesting that after being shot in the head, he's not worried about a bullet through his brain. He's not worried and yelling "Oh My God, call the cops or ambulance, you accidentally shot me in the head!!" He still is only interested about attacking her for accidentally dropping his camera. His wrath knew no bounds.

I just pray that the jurors this time around all have a hint of common sense.

 

[Uncle Remus]

There's a pretty big jump between what he said on that call (which was creepy I will admit) and what she said she walked in on him doing. I don't know if saying that would make him have a tendency to be attracted to 5 year old boys.

Yeah, I don't think she had to drive his pedophilia home with the idea (true or not) that he had photos of boys (don't recall the ages). The taped conversation was enough. The only way a juror might tie the photos of boys (if the juror believes Jodi) to Travis is his preference for the initial sex acts between him and Jodi although I'd be inclined to think he was just avoiding pregnancy or playing up what I'm told young people believe is sex and what they don't believe is sex these days which isn't just Mormon restricted.

 

[momrek06]

What just boggles my mind is the crime scene photos esp the one of Travis all stuffed into the shower. How the heck did she get him all stuffed in there? I think she had her adrenaline working so over time that adrenaline and rage got him pulled down the hall into the bathroom and stuffed into that shower stall.

All the while she is screaming to herself that "you and Mimi will not be going to Cancun if I have anything to do with it" type of anger and rage.

Also the crime scene photos, those types of camera's make a definite CLICK sound when you take pictures … I wonder why Miss Photographer did not hear the camera clicking away like that … ? SCORE for TRAVIS!!!!

 

[Uncle Remus]

What just boggles my mind is the crime scene photos esp the one of Travis all stuffed into the shower. How the heck did she get him all stuffed in there? I think she had her adrenaline working so over time that adrenaline and rage got him pulled down the hall into the bathroom and stuffed into that shower stall.

All the while she is screaming to herself that "you and Mimi will not be going to Cancun if I have anything to do with it" type of anger and rage.

Also the crime scene photos, those types of camera's make a definite CLICK sound when you take pictures … I wonder why Miss Photographer did not hear the camera clicking away like that … ? SCORE for TRAVIS!!!!

Ya know what gets me about the shower photos that Jodi took of Travis for their "Calvin Klein" look alikes? Those are lousy photos, not professional looking in the slightest. Lousy lighting, lousy poses, lousy photos. Doesn't make sense at all according to her story and previous pictures.

 

[momrek06]

Ya know what gets me about the shower photos that Jodi took of Travis for their "Calvin Klein" look alikes? Those are lousy photos, not professional looking in the slightest. Lousy lighting, lousy poses, lousy photos. Doesn't make sense at all according to her story and previous pictures.

Makes no sense, UR! You are right. And she was suppose to be so 'talented' with the camera.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I think the recording of Travis saying Jodi sounded like a 12 year old *etc, etc, and that it's hot makes it sound like Travis might have had pedophiliac tendencies. I just don't know any men who would think that of 12 year old girls.

* Still keeping in mind this is a family board so it's hard to delicately post what Travis said on the taped conversation.

But how do you know what any man is "thinking"? Of all the men I've known or come in contact with over my 54 years, I have no idea what they're thinking about sexuality.

I haven't heard the whole tape again...he said that he loved the braids, and IIRC, SHE says they're hot. As far as her sounding like a 12 yr old girl having her first orgasm, well, she always sounds like a 12 yr old girl to me. But on that tape, she's very much initiating sex talk and sex topics, and *I* get the impression many of the fantasies, including the "little girl" fantasies, are HER thing, and no doubt about it, he got caught up in it. Do you think they equally have pedophile tendencies? I don't think that one snapshot of what Travis said, at her initiation and her secretly recording, in anyway indicates any pedophile tendencies.

A fantasy is a fantasy, not real life. Just as a rape fantasy isn't about truly wanting to be raped, ie non-consensual sex, the 12 yr old girl thing isn't about wanting to have sex with a 12 yr old girl, but about the innocence of a virgin which honestly, is a "thing" with some men, no? Is it a terrible thing to find a virgin appealing? Does a threesome fantasy indicate a true desire to take part in a threesome?

I don't think ALL fantasies are harmless...surely there are times when it's an indication of actual activities or what's to come. Ever watch the documentary about Jeffrey Dahmer and the interview with him, and how things progressed? Very creepy. But I don't think there's any indication that Travis fits into the category of having fantasies indicative of a true desire.

Whoopie Goldberg has said on The View on more than one occasion that Brazilians (the grooming) is offensive because it's all about looking like a little girl. So what are shaved armpits and legs about? Maybe a Brazilian is just about bathing suits and cleanliness or as appealing as having the lights on, if you get what I mean.

 

[Thumper_Man]

Makes no sense, UR! You are right. And she was suppose to be so 'talented' with the camera.

She'll make an excuse that it wasn't her camera.

 

[Nik's Mom]

What just boggles my mind is the crime scene photos esp the one of Travis all stuffed into the shower. How the heck did she get him all stuffed in there? I think she had her adrenaline working so over time that adrenaline and rage got him pulled down the hall into the bathroom and stuffed into that shower stall.

That is the thing that boggles my mind. She is petite, and he seemed on the tallish side. Her adrenaline must have been over the top.

 

[mattzane227]

Also the crime scene photos, those types of camera's make a definite CLICK sound when you take pictures … I wonder why Miss Photographer did not hear the camera clicking away like that … ? SCORE for TRAVIS!!!!

I would love to know how fast her heart was beating when the detective first showed her the picture of her foot and leg and her dragging his body. At first she was denying pictures of herself. She was asking, "Are you sure it was me??" Then later, "The pictures are compelling evidence." Uhh yeah. A picture of you dragging his bloody body are pretty compelling evidence. It actually doesn't get much more compelling than a time stamped photo of you in the process or dragging a bleeding body. Especially when you were denying you were there. Puts a few holes in your story, sorry, stories.

I will never understand how that she is a photographer, yet thought just deleting pictures and then washing the camera would be good enough. How do you not just take the freaking sd card with you? Does she know how a camera works?

Was the last picture that she took on purpose where he's staring into the camera and looks like he's being held at gunpoint a keeper or one that got deleted? And a picture of just his back? Yeah, she's not good. They look like some Abu Ghraib pictures.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Just looking around online at info regarding the verdict reading and imposing sentence.

http://www.azcourts.gov/PublicServices/CriminalLaw.aspx

Verdict

The foreman presents a written verdict to the judge, and either the judge or court clerk reads the jury’s verdict to the court. The court then enters a judgment based on the verdict, and the jury is released from duty.

If found not guilty, the defendant in a criminal case is released immediately. If the defendant is found guilty, a date is set for sentencing.

Sentencing
A sentencing hearing is scheduled to determine the punishment a convicted defendant will receive. The judge hears testimony from the prosecution and the defense regarding the punishment that each side feels the convicted defendant should receive.

In Arizona, the Legislature has established a range of sentences for different crimes, and the judge must impose a sentence within the range outlined by law. The options may include probation, fines, imprisonment or a combination of these punishments. In some cases, the death penalty can be imposed.

And from HLNTV:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/13/arias-sentencing

Jodi Arias is doing something you won’t see very often, spending days on the witness stand, testifying in her own defense.

She has described in painstaking detail her relationships with men, particularly Travis Alexander who she killed in June 2008. She claims her former boyfriend was abusive and his killing was in self-defense.

The risk of answering tough questions from attorneys may be worth it. The prosecution is asking the jury to send Arias to death row for what it calls a brutal, cruel premeditated murder.

Once all the evidence is in — and that’s still about two weeks away — jurors will decide whether the state proved she committed first-degree murder. If they don’t think the prosecution did its job, Arias will be a free woman.

But if jurors think she is guilty, they will have more decisions to make.

First-degree murder:
If the jurors unanimously decide Arias is guilty of first-degree murder for Alexander’s death, the case would then move to the aggravation phase.

That is the prosecution’s chance to present additional evidence that the death was caused in a cruel manner. Arizona law defines it as when the victim suffers physical pain or mental anguish and the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer.

The jury would then deliberate for a second time to determine if the aggravating factor of cruelty is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

If the jury does not find her guilty of cruelty, the case ends and the judge sets a sentencing date within 30 to 60 days. At the sentencing, the judge decides whether to sentence Arias to natural life in prison or life with parole eligibility after 25 years.

But if the jury decides cruelty is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the case moves to the sentencing phase.

This is the defense’s opportunity to ask the jury for leniency and present evidence to support why Arias should be spared the death penalty. Witnesses may include Arias’ friends and family. Arias could also make a statement to the jury.

The jury then deliberates for a third time to determine whether Arias should be sentenced to life or death. Their decision must be unanimous. In the case of a deadlock, a mistrial would be granted and a new jury would be chosen for this phase only.

If the jury votes for the death penalty, Arias would be sentenced immediately and she is likely to be sent to death row within hours. If the jury opts for a life sentence, the judge will set a sentencing date within 30 to 60 days and, at that time, will sentence Arias to natural life or life with eligibility for parole after 25 years.

Second-degree murder
If the jury rejects first-degree murder, but finds her guilty of the lesser charge of second-degree murder, the judge will sentence Arias to no less than 10 years and no more than 22 years in prison.

Arias will get credit for the four and a half years she has been incarcerated awaiting trial.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Makes no sense, UR! You are right. And she was suppose to be so 'talented' with the camera.

Some have speculated that maybe he thought she had already left and then she's snapping pictures unknown to him as the last ones are his face with a look of what the hell are you doing here? and then he's sitting down in the shower in a moment of oh jesus, I can't believe she's back.

The pictures she took are here posted in a real time slideshow that indicates it took ten minutes to take those photos, I just can't imagine being in the shower almost ten minutes to discover someone takig pictures of me that I wouldn't maybe have the same reaction and lunge at her and not necessarily coz she dropped my camera.

But how do you know what any man is "thinking"? Of all the men I've known or come in contact with over my 54 years, I have no idea what they're thinking about sexuality.

I haven't heard the whole tape again...he said that he loved the braids, and IIRC, SHE says they're hot. As far as her sounding like a 12 yr old girl having her first orgasm, well, she always sounds like a 12 yr old girl to me. But on that tape, she's very much initiating sex talk and sex topics, and *I* get the impression many of the fantasies, including the "little girl" fantasies, are HER thing, and no doubt about it, he got caught up in it. Do you think they equally have pedophile tendencies? I don't think that one snapshot of what Travis said, at her initiation and her secretly recording, in anyway indicates any pedophile tendencies.

A fantasy is a fantasy, not real life. Just as a rape fantasy isn't about truly wanting to be raped, ie non-consensual sex, the 12 yr old girl thing isn't about wanting to have sex with a 12 yr old girl, but about the innocence of a virgin which honestly, is a "thing" with some men, no? Is it a terrible thing to find a virgin appealing? Does a threesome fantasy indicate a true desire to take part in a threesome?

I don't think ALL fantasies are harmless...surely there are times when it's an indication of actual activities or what's to come. Ever watch the documentary about Jeffrey Dahmer and the interview with him, and how things progressed? Very creepy. But I don't think there's any indication that Travis fits into the category of having fantasies indicative of a true desire.

Whoopie Goldberg has said on The View on more than one occasion that Brazilians (the grooming) is offensive because it's all about looking like a little girl. So what are shaved armpits and legs about? Maybe a Brazilian is just about bathing suits and cleanliness or as appealing as having the lights on, if you get what I mean.

I don't think there's any doubt Travis was leading a double life especially in light of everything he told his friends about Jodi and his continuous sexual life with Jodi. And that doesn't take into account his portrayal of himself in the church which quite frankly I do understand as it was a staple of his life in addition to an excellent network for his business with PPL.

Whether or not Travis would have ever acted on his fantasies outside of Jodi isn't a possibility now, but there's no disputing what he said on the tape.

 

[momrek06]

But how do you know what any man is "thinking"? Of all the men I've known or come in contact with over my 54 years, I have no idea what they're thinking about sexuality.

I haven't heard the whole tape again...he said that he loved the braids, and IIRC, SHE says they're hot. As far as her sounding like a 12 yr old girl having her first orgasm, well, she always sounds like a 12 yr old girl to me. But on that tape, she's very much initiating sex talk and sex topics, and *I* get the impression many of the fantasies, including the "little girl" fantasies, are HER thing, and no doubt about it, he got caught up in it. Do you think they equally have pedophile tendencies? I don't think that one snapshot of what Travis said, at her initiation and her secretly recording, in anyway indicates any pedophile tendencies.

A fantasy is a fantasy, not real life. Just as a rape fantasy isn't about truly wanting to be raped, ie non-consensual sex, the 12 yr old girl thing isn't about wanting to have sex with a 12 yr old girl, but about the innocence of a virgin which honestly, is a "thing" with some men, no? Is it a terrible thing to find a virgin appealing? Does a threesome fantasy indicate a true desire to take part in a threesome?

I don't think ALL fantasies are harmless...surely there are times when it's an indication of actual activities or what's to come. Ever watch the documentary about Jeffrey Dahmer and the interview with him, and how things progressed? Very creepy. But I don't think there's any indication that Travis fits into the category of having fantasies indicative of a true desire.

Whoopie Goldberg has said on The View on more than one occasion that Brazilians (the grooming) is offensive because it's all about looking like a little girl. So what are shaved armpits and legs about? Maybe a Brazilian is just about bathing suits and cleanliness or as appealing as having the lights on, if you get what I mean.

WOW, Mare, all great points!

JA did say 'hot'. She was a MORE than willing participant in all these fantasies.

Never saw the JD documentary but he certainly takes CREEPY to another level.

Great point about what Whoppie says about "Brazallians" as vs legs and armpits.






As far as the crime scene photos. JA goes to all these lengths, taking her grandparents gun, renting a car, gas cans, dying her hair back and forth, shutting the bedroom door and locking it, throwing the gun in the desert, calling his cell a few days later etc etc ….. to make sure the MURDER of Travis is not tied to HER and she is BUSTED by a CAMERA. And she is suppose to be a photographer ….

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Some have speculated that maybe he thought she had already left and then she's snapping pictures unknown to him as the last ones are his face with a look of what the hell are you doing here? and then he's sitting down in the shower in a moment of oh jesus, I can't believe she's back.

The pictures she took are here posted in a real time slideshow that indicates it took ten minutes to take those photos, I just can't imagine being in the shower almost ten minutes to discover someone takig pictures of me that I wouldn't maybe have the same reaction and lunge at her and not necessarily coz she dropped my camera.

I don't think there's any doubt Travis was leading a double life especially in light of everything he told his friends about Jodi and his continuous sexual life with Jodi. And that doesn't take into account his portrayal of himself in the church which quite frankly I do understand as it was a staple of his life in addition to an excellent network for his business with PPL.

Whether or not Travis would have ever acted on his fantasies outside of Jodi isn't a possibility now, but there's no disputing what he said on the tape.

As far as the pictures taken in the shower, I think that she used that opportunity to get him in a vulnerable position, and I believe she used the whole "Calvin Klein" photo shoot idea. It was, after all, a very picture taking kind of day. And she probably used his pride in his new physique to get him to go along.

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't see fear in his eyes or anything in that full on face picture. I still think he's doing the brooding model look, so prevalent in photo shoots, and that if he were scared, or had a gun on him, his eyes would be wider, his mouth would be open, and he would be reacting more openly. JMHO

Of course Travis was leading a double life...to some extent, isn't everyone? How many people put out to the public what they're doing sexually in private? How many other Mormons/Catholics/etc have premarital sex? How many of those kids wearing purity rings aren't so pure? And how many of them actually step back and announce "OK, I'm leaving this church because I've now done XYZ"? People are involved in religion every day who don't follow every tenet. Granted, the sex issue is a huge part of the Mormon Church. But, Travis is the one that got caught. How many of those other "devout" Mormons aren't also breaking Mormon laws? I'm not saying that that makes it "ok"...actually, as far as I'm concerned, who cares (consenting adults).

I have a problem with politicians who try to control people's bodies and lives with laws, and then we find out that they're doing exactly what they're trying to prevent others from doing. I don't have a problem with CHURCH members being involved in a church and in their private lives breaking rules which they may have to answer, if found out, to the church leaders and/or God, but not the public.

No one else Travis dated testified about any desire on his part to have sex with little boys or girls, and there is no evidence ANYWHERE, esp on his computer where you'd expect to find it, of pedophilia. And of the two of them...Jodi and Travis...Jodi is the one known to have been sexually active, and to have tried a variety of sex acts. I think Travis was a frustrated (and yes, flawed...sometimes very) 30 yr old man, wanting to lead the good life, but found in Jodi the opportunity to let loose. And again, I think Jodi ran with the little girl fantasy.

I'm not disputing what Travis said on the tape. I'm disputing that it's any indication of pedophilia, especially the way it was said and to whom it was said. It just sort of sickens me, quite honestly, to basically convict someone of "having pedophile tendencies", or to suggest that MAYBE he would have acted on them if he hadn't been murdered.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Thanks for posting the info. I believe Jodi introduced him to so many things. What does not makes sense is she said she ran into the closet with him chasing her. So if he chases her into the closet wouldn't they pass each other on her way back to the bathroom? Other wise the shooting would be in the closet since he was right behind her?