Jimmy Hoffa

[robertsmom]

I'm sure his family would disagree. I would care if it was my father, my brother, my uncle no matter how much time had passed and I'm sure you would too. Just because it happened a long time ago doesn't make it any less insignificant.

I agree. Not only would it be insulting to his family, but it would send a message that crime doesn't matter if it can be covered up long enough.

 

[bicker]

Well, we could go round and round on this forever.

We're not going round and round. It's a matter of fact versus fiction. What are the facts? The point I made earlier is that we don't know what the facts are, which is perfectly understandable since no one is in a position to know the facts and discuss them here on the DIS. Therefore we're not a position to say that the search is unwarranted.

What makes you think the FBI is doing a good job and should spend millions to find Hoffa's body?

They're law enforcement professionals doing their job, overseen by my elected officials, in a completely different branch of government, who are in a MUCH better position to determine whether the search is unwarranted than anyone here.

 

[N.Bailey]

Well, if you're a participant of organized crime, you take your chances, IMO. Personally, I could care less if he was murdered or not and if his body is found or not. IMO, he's not a victim here and I am a strong supporter of the rights of victims and their families. He chose his life and he and his family have to deal with the consequences of those decisions.

I fully support that there is no statute of limitations on murder and I'd LOVE to know who killed Elizabeth Short (The Black Dahlia) as she was truly a victim of an atrocious murder and her story has captivated millions thru the years.

The Hoffa case (which has captivated millions too) doesn't begin to compare, IMO.

I'd also add, if the FBI expects to find clues on the corpse, I think they've got unrealistic expectations. If they're just looking for a cause of death, well, they may just get answers to those questions. I'm sure a gunshot will not be totally shocking or newsworthy though. I just think this is a huge waste of taxpayers money.

For those who insist that the FBI is in a better position to know than we are, there is probably some merit to that, but I think we all know our government NEVER wastes money just because they can, huh?

 

[sha_lyn]

Personally, I could care less if he was murdered or not and if his body is found or not. IMO, he's not a victim here and I am a strong supporter of the rights of victims and their families. He chose his life and he and his family have to deal with the consequences of those decisions.

Do you mean you couldn't care less?
So you don't think he was a victim of murder?

 

[Cass]

I'm a history buff and like it or not Hoffa was an important part of American history in the 50's and 60's.

He disppeared in 1975

 

[N.Bailey]

Do you mean you couldn't care less?
So you don't think he was a victim of murder?

Yeah, that's the spirt, resort to grammatical errors when you can't really refute a point.

Do I think he's a victim of murder? Well, let's put it this way, I believe he's responsible for many deaths which puts me in the frame of mind of:

" Personally, I could care less if he was murdered or not and if his body is found or not. "

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[Cool-Beans]

I'll be so disappointed if this turns out to be another "Geraldo & Al Capone's Vault" thing.

 

[Disney Ella]

It seems to me that the money could better be spent on people who are missing right now and may actually be alive and can be rescued.

 

[N.Bailey]

It seems to me that the money could better be spent on people who are missing right now and may actually be alive and can be rescued.

 

[PrincessKitty1]

We're not going round and round. It's a matter of fact versus fiction. What are the facts? The point I made earlier is that we don't know what the facts are, which is perfectly understandable since no one is in a position to know the facts and discuss them here on the DIS. Therefore we're not a position to say that the search is unwarranted.


They're law enforcement professionals doing their job, overseen by my elected officials

Taking your points to their logical conclusion, then we are also not in the position to say that the search is warranted, since we don't know what the facts are. So why do we even bother to talk?



They may be YOUR elected officials, but Bush is not MY elected official. I think he is trying desperately to get the media to write about anything except the war in Iraq (hence the current focuses on Hoffa, immigration, and anything else Bush can desperately think of to distract public opinion from his disatrous war).

 

[debster812]

Does anyone think it is a waste of time and money to keep searching for Jimmy Hoffa? I was watching the news and they are still searching some farm in the mid-west. WHO CARES!! Obviously he is long dead and why do we need to find him at some huge cost. Put the money into something worthwhile.

I agree with other posters when I say I suspect there may be family members who CARE.

 

[bicker]

So why do we even bother to talk?

Sometimes I wonder. However, to answer your question, talking is good. However, that doesn't obviate the fact that we do have to rely on people who actually are in a position to know (such as folks responsible for Congressional oversight) to make sure the people in power (such as the executive branch, including the FBI) make the right decisions. Deciding what's good and bad from a position of ignorance isn't a good way of effecting governance or the rule of law.

I didn't vote for Dubya. That doesn't mean he isn't my elected official, and yours. You cannot pick and choose when you'll sign-on to the American Constitutional system and when you wish to sign-off. We have to take the good with the bad.

 

[MomofKatie]

DH and I were discussing the search last night. He is of the opinion, "why bother? It was so long ago, etc". At first, I agreed, but I thought, what if I was his wife, child, sibling, parent? Even if he was involved in illegal activities, even if he has been gone so long, wouldn't I want to know for sure what happened and have at least a little bit of him back to bury? I think I would.

 

[N.Bailey]

DH and I were discussing the search last night. He is of the opinion, "why bother? It was so long ago, etc". At first, I agreed, but I thought, what if I was his wife, child, sibling, parent? Even if he was involved in illegal activities, even if he has been gone so long, wouldn't I want to know for sure what happened and have at least a little bit of him back to bury? I think I would.

While I can appreciate your point of view, the same could be said about many victims. So, why should we use so much money to search for this one?

Families of victims always say not knowing is the hardest part. Having no experience first hand (thank God), I have to believe what they say. So many are in the same situation today. So, why Hoffa? Why not people who are truly victims? Sure, Hoffa was probably murdered, but victim suggests innocence to me. Hoffa was not an innocent, but there are many out there who were and unfortunately, because they're not so well known, they won't get a fraction of a fraction of the funds spent on them.

I guess crime does pay, eh?

 

[Taylor]

I've got a $100 that says they find out he is dead.

Any takers?

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

I've got a $100 that says they find out he is dead.

Any takers?

Since I started this I will take the bet. You know what I agree with those who say that there are lots of people who are lost and their family never knows. Case in point what about all the soldiers in Viet Nam who are still POWs (and most likely dead). How about looking for them so THEIR families can have closure. They at least died in the service of their country. Maybe I am heartless but when you live by the sword you die by it and in JH's case it could not have been a surprise.

 

[PrincessKitty1]

Sometimes I wonder. However, to answer your question, talking is good. However, that doesn't obviate the fact that we do have to rely on people who actually are in a position to know (such as folks responsible for Congressional oversight) to make sure the people in power (such as the executive branch, including the FBI) make the right decisions. Deciding what's good and bad from a position of ignorance isn't a good way of effecting governance or the rule of law.

I didn't vote for Dubya. That doesn't mean he isn't my elected official, and yours. You cannot pick and choose when you'll sign-on to the American Constitutional system and when you wish to sign-off. We have to take the good with the bad.

Your blind trust is touching (but your post is full of naive platitudes). Wow, I'm so glad we can trust that people in power are making the right decisions!

 

[PrincessKitty1]

Sometimes I wonder. However, to answer your question, talking is good. However, that doesn't obviate the fact that we do have to rely on people who actually are in a position to know (such as folks responsible for Congressional oversight) to make sure the people in power (such as the executive branch, including the FBI) make the right decisions. Deciding what's good and bad from a position of ignorance isn't a good way of effecting governance or the rule of law.

I didn't vote for Dubya. That doesn't mean he isn't my elected official, and yours. You cannot pick and choose when you'll sign-on to the American Constitutional system and when you wish to sign-off. We have to take the good with the bad.

Your blind trust is touching. Wow, I'm so glad we can trust that people in power are making the right decisions! I will sleep better tonight, knowing this.

Your post is so full of platitudes, I hardly know where to start, but relying on elected officials to know what's best for us is a good start. Are you giggling to yourself as you post this stuff??

 

[disneyfan67]

He disppeared in 1975

Thank you and I knew that. What I was refering to was his time in office as President of the Teamsters. He went to jail in 1967 and was pardoned in 1971. For a short time in American history, he was a powerfull man and that's the point I was making.

 

[bicker]

Your blind trust is touching

I don't blindly trust anything. There is a big difference between trust and respect for the office.

(but your post is full of naive platitudes).

Your post is rude and disrespectful, to me, and to the rest of the members of this board, as well as to our elected officials.

Disgusting.