janome my style 100 or old kenmore sewing machine?

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Please help. My dd will be 12 next month and wants a sewing machine. My mil offered to give her an old kenmore of hers that is 40 years old but has just been serviced. She showed it to me today and it looks more complicated than the machine I had many years ago. It has a lot of steps to thread and the bobbin is way under the machine and hard to access w/o a flashlight. It runs really well, though.
I like the Janome b/c it has the bobbin on the top and is so easy to put in and less threading steps. But I hate to spend the $ not knowing how much dd will use it although she loves to hand sew and create things. I got frustrated with my old machine in the 90s b/c it would get jammed a lot and I was told the Janome won't b/c of the bobbin being on top.
 
I would definitely keep the old Kenmore. I posted my story about this here before and on a sewing forum, about how I ended up buying my same model old machine a I understood the value of what I stupidly tossed away. :headache:
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Here it is:

I had an old Kenmore sewing machine that I had learned to sew on, from back in the '70s. I used to sew on it all the time. I loved sewing. :love: One day, about 6 years ago the motor caught fire.

Instead of replacing the motor, I tossed it out, thinking I was upgrading and got a brand new Sears/Janome electronic machine with many fancy stitches & perks, but didn't realize it is a "starter machine." NEVER BUY WHAT IS CALLED A STARTER MACHINE! My old machine was so basic, I never even knew there was such a thing -- that a machine could have LESS features??? :confused: This machine had no adjustable pressure presser foot (can't be replaced,) and barely has the horsepower to sew through three layers of a medium weight material (which is a folded over hem. No heavyweight materials or thick multiple layers, as the machine jams when going over heavy seams - like when the folded hem lays over the side seam. I couldn't even hand turn the handwheel, to gently, manually coax the needle through thick seams as the electronic mechanism inside would jam.

Forget sewing denim jeans: raising hems or lowering the waistbands on high-waisted jeans which have the most folded material (5 layers, not including going over side seams.) :headache: Or sewing thick winter-weight knits, coat-weight wools & bulky fleece - which is the climate I live in. The presser foot pressure wouldn't adjust for the extra bulk.
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Apparently a "starter machine" is only used to sew lightweight materials. Right! Like that's real life sewing. Not! :sad2:

I so LOATHED sewing on that machine that I have barely sewed anything, even basic repairs, in the last several YEARS since I got that machine. :headache:

Had I known what I know now, I would never have tossed out that old Kenmore machine to "upgrade." I would have replaced the motor. It was a workhorse. All metal parts. Didn't have fancy stitching, just zig-zag and blind hem and I could make decent buttonholes. Yet, I sewed like crazy with it. :cheer2: So, I went on the hunt to replace that old machine with the same exact model, so I don't get any more unpleasant surprises with a different model. It did everything I NEEDED.

Turns out these old, vintage machines are actually quite popular and selling like hotcakes all over eBay & Craigslist as many other people realize the ALL METAL quality is much better than the newer, cheaper, plastic and electronic models. I finally found the old Kenmore machine several weeks ago in amazingly excellent condition. I got it at a steal price. It just needed a simple tune up to fix the timing. :woohoo: But, that is so much cheaper than buying a newer and lesser quality machine, as another sewer on a sewing forum made me realize this machine, with parts that won't wear out as quickly as the newer plastic models, is an INVESTMENT. This machine will probably last my lifetime.

It's like coming home to an old lover. :love: I have been sewing quite a bit again, making alterations, repairs, and upcycling/refashioning clothes into totally different looks. I have a pile of projects, including home furnishings & accessories I can't wait to get into. I have been visiting many sewing sites looking for new ideas. I love sewing again. I love having clothes that fit again. :yay:

There are also many new types of fancy presser feet attachments that I can put on my machine to do different techniques that were hard to do manually before. Different types of presser feet is different than an adjustable pressure presser foot. The different types of presser feet is an accessory one can snap/screw on & off. An adjustable pressure presser foot is a rod inside the machine and can't be removed. The pressure can be changed by changing a dial or pushing a knob in the rod. It changes the HEIGHT and pressure of the presser feet according to the thickness of the materials one is sewing. Do NOT let some idiot at the store tell you they are now "automatic," and has no no manual override feature. All that is, is a metal spring and it is NOT automatic. Your DD will end up with the same problem I had and probably stop sewing, too. I know several people who sold their same Janome machine I had, a couple years later as they also found that machine so limiting.

My suggestion is to take that old Kemore machine with the ALL METAL PARTS. Skip a lot of the fancy bells & whistles and go for the basic features she will NEED to sew a variety of items; straight stitch, zig-zag, a couple hemming stitches, buttonholing, an adjustable pressure presser foot, and then she can buy several different snap-on presser feet to add on over time, as she learns to sew different things.

Fancy stitches are a nice perk, as well as an automatic needle threader, auto-buttonholer, but not necessary. If you skimp on the basics in the last paragraph, there is no point in sewing with that machine. If she wants fancy stitches, she can always sew on lace, embroidery trims and appliques as embellishments.

Learning to sew on what you now think is a more "complicated machine" means any techniques she learns afterwards will only get easier. I can sew a buttonhole manually. I will never be stuck if the auto-buttonholer mechanism on a computerized machine stops functioning correctly. I can pretty much thread almost any machine anywhere, as I properly leaned how and don't rely on a button to automatically thread for me.

Here is a pic or my "new-to-me" old lover come back home: :cloud9:

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NO plastic breakable parts ANYWHERE!

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I will think about what you said. What year is your machine? The one mil has is from 1973 is green and looks more complicated than yours.
 
I like the Janome b/c it has the bobbin on the top and is so easy to put in and less threading steps. But I hate to spend the $ not knowing how much dd will use it although she loves to hand sew and create things. I got frustrated with my old machine in the 90s b/c it would get jammed a lot and I was told the Janome won't b/c of the bobbin being on top. MIL will be mad if I don't take her machine.

BTW, if you are looking at the Janomes from Sears, they are not REAL Janomes. Sears bought the license to manufacture cheaper quality sewing machines and put the brand name Janome on them. They are NOT the high quality Janomes from Germany or where ever. You'd also be paying a LOT more in price for a real, high quality Janome. Again, you might simply end up with a "starter model" or half a step up.

And I don't get what you mean about it being hard to put in the bobbin under the machine. :confused3 In my second picture, you can see the silver bobbin casing on the left, under the machine. (Access plate in the top pic.) Once DD knows how to put in the bobbin, and practices a few times, it becomes automatic to slide it in. I never give it a second thought. I can change a bobbin in my sleep.

If she needs a flashlight, then maybe the sewing machine bulb burnt out and needs to be replaced. There are also clip on lights that can be put on machines, made just for sewing machines.

My new-to-me old machine was made in 1967. It is one of my best purchases.
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The machine I am looking at is not from Sears but from a reputable sewing place that is a family owned business. It had warranties.
I will try to figure out how to explain the bobbin. MIL said she has to use a flashlight and a tool sometimes if the thread gets jammed. The sewing light doesn't help.
 
I will think about what you said. What year is your machine? The one mil has is from 1973 is green and looks more complicated than yours.

Here is a great sewing forum.
http://sewing.patternreview.com/SewingDiscussions/forum/21

They actually have a section just for people to discuss sewing machines. Maybe you can do a search or ask people about your MIL's machine, if you happen to know the model number or can take a pic to show people. There might be manuals still out for it, to help DD with the threading & bobbin. Or the gals on the forum can help you trouble-shoot and tell you if that particular model is really worth it or not. Some may say the bobbin is too much trouble. :headache: There are other old machines out. I just didn't want any other surprises, so while I could have gone for a newer old model, I preferred getting what I knew.


Also, there are these forums dedicated to old Kenmore sewing machines. Try doing a search for the model.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintagekenmoressew/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OldKenmoreSewingMachines/

If nothing else, know that your MIL's sewing machine IS in demand on Craigslist & eBay. So, you might try your DD on it, and if it doesn't work out, then sell the machine and use the money to get a better quality new machine for her. :goodvibes If it's just been serviced and in good condition, you can probably get $100 - $150 for it.
 
The machine I am looking at is not from Sears but from a reputable sewing place that is a family owned business. It had warranties.

Do a web search and forum searches on the new Janome model to see what other people have said about it. Had I done my research, :blush: I wouldn't have ended up with the Janome I have. But, really, I thought any new model in this century had to be better than what I had.

Warranties aren't the same as being able to return a machine because you don't like the model. I would test out the machine at the store with all kinds of fabric scraps that DD is likely to sew. especially denim, some knits and some fleece. See if the machine can handle all of that when the layers are doubled or tripled.


I will try to figure out how to explain the bobbin. MIL said she has to use a flashlight and a tool sometimes if the thread gets jammed. The sewing light doesn't help.

Threads get jammed for three reasons:
1) Some machines really are finicky about which BRAND of thread they like. Who knew? :confused3

2) User error, in not threading, winding bobbin correctly & putting it in right. Or having the wrong tension for the material one is working on.

3) The machine needs a good oiling or the timing adjusted, called a tune up.
 












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