It's a smaller world -- Disney sells more land

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It's a smaller world -- Disney sells more land

Scott Powers | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted May 25, 2006

More chunks of the Disney empire are being sold off for housing, including a 349-acre parcel going to the developers of the massive Horizon West community in west Orange County.

The new Disney land sales also include a 60-acre site south of Seidel Road that would be reserved for a new high school serving the Horizon West area.

The Walt Disney Co. reportedly is selling the 349-acre site, set around Panther Lake, north of Seidel and southeast of the Orange County National Golf Center, to Centex Homes.

The Reedy Creek Improvement District, the independent government agency that provides utilities and other services to Walt Disney World, is negotiating to sell the 60-acre site from its utility land holdings, said District Administrator Ray Maxwell. The buyers, who are undisclosed investors, would set it aside for the high school site that Orange County Public Schools has long sought in the area.

Reedy Creek also is selling a 50-acre tract, south of Seidel and just east of the high school reserve, to Centex. The district's board of supervisors authorized the sale of that land for residential development Wednesday, for the proposed price of $8.3 million. That's nearly $166,000 an acre, a price more than 50 percent higher than what some land in the area is listed for.

Andrea Finger, a spokeswoman for Walt Disney Imagineering, the Disney arm that oversees its land holdings, said she could not say how much the Disney tract might sell for because the deal is not yet closed. Likewise, Maxwell said he could not say how much the 60-acre school site might go for, though he told his board it would be far less per acre than the district expects for the residential site.

For Disney, the Panther Lake deal, if it closes, would be the largest Orange County land sale for independent development that the company has made in many years. Disney has sold more land in the Little Lake Bryan and Celebration areas, but the company carefully planned those developments first.

The theme park giant still owns about 30,000 acres in and around Walt Disney World.

Finger said the sales continue the company's new policy of divesting properties that no longer fit Disney's long-term plans. Three other parcels, totaling 130 acres, were put up for sale late last year and early this year. One of those, a 30-acre tract south of Disney World, is back on the market because an earlier deal fell through, she said.

"We're looking at our real estate portfolio. This [Panther Lake tract] is another of those parcels of land that are part of that program, to make sure our land uses complement our core business," she said. "So the land we're talking about, we're not feeling it's integral to our core entertainment business."

Finger would not confirm Centex as the buyer of the 349-acre site. However, on Wednesday Reedy Creek supervisors discussed that the property was going to Centex.

Division President Pat Knight of Maitland-based Centex Homes could not be reached for comment, and no one else from the company was available to discuss the transactions Wednesday.

Finger said that Disney supported the residential development plans for Horizon West, as "the most compatible use for this land."

The Disney tract and the two Reedy Creek parcels are about a mile northwest of the official boundaries of Walt Disney World.

The Disney property is outside the Reedy Creek district's governmental jurisdiction. However, the two other parcels are within the jurisdictional boundaries and would have to be dropped from the district if sold, Maxwell said.

Disney and Reedy Creek initially bought the land to have a place to discharge treated wastewater, by using it to irrigate citrus groves, a common practice in the region. But Disney and Reedy Creek are reducing that practice because technology allows them to use more of the parks' treated wastewater within Walt Disney World.

"We really have no good use for this particular property," Maxwell said.

None of the three parcels has been developed. They are part of the bucolic, rolling plains covered with occasional groves, woodlands, ponds and lakes that still dominate the area.

That will change. Horizon West is a 23,000-acre planned community stretching for miles in west Orange County. When built out, over several decades, it could house 30,000 people, plus a large commercial center. The Disney and Reedy Creek parcels now for sale already are included in the community's "village D" area, Maxwell said.

Scott Powers can be reached at spowers@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5441.
 
I'm not sure why I find this any more suprising, or saddening, than when WDW leases out its core property to virtually any business that can afford it (i.e. Virgin Records, Tom Landry's host of lame chain restaurants, the Tom Petty race car experience etc.).

Afterall, that kind of shopping mall mentality is doing more harm to the escapist WDW brand than anything, if you ask me.

Nonetheless, I thought the point of all that land in Florida was to create a buffer from the tacky commercialism that surrounded the California property.

So anytime they chip away at that buffer zone to make a quick buck it just sickens me.

So now, in addition to leasing their inside land to the likes of McDonalds, they are selling off their border property to tract housing developers.

Ugh.

I wonder if the people making these short-term quick-buck decisions realize that a big part of WDW's appeal is its vastness and removal from the real world. Call me old fashioned, but I liked the Carribean Beach Resort better when it was surrounded by forest on two sides. Now it's surrounded by parking lots from other hotels. I still prefer Typhoon Lagoon's forested location to the road-side set up of Blizzard Beach. I like how Port Orleans is tucked in away inside lushly landscaped land much better than the land-clearing project of Coronado Springs.

Yet Disney can't "think of any good use for the land" it's selling? How about using it so that all your developments are not sitting on top of each other? How about just not using it at all? Or do they really want to transform the open spaces and beauty of the resort into an urban-style amusement park like Universal Orlando?

By the way, I am by no means rich, but doesn't the millions they are making selling these precious acres seem like a pittance to the billions and billions WDW generates each year? In a year that the theme parks are contributing to record earnings, you would think the value of WDW would be more evident than ever.

My two cents...
 
The Disney tract and the two Reedy Creek parcels are about a mile northwest of the official boundaries of Walt Disney World.

The Disney property is outside the Reedy Creek district's governmental jurisdiction. However, the two other parcels are within the jurisdictional boundaries and would have to be dropped from the district if sold, Maxwell said.

Does anyone know how much of the land was inside vs outside of the WDW boundries?

My first thoughts were not good, but after reading the post it seems like they are just selling wasteland. Having property just for the sake of having property doesn't make much sense to me.... especially if it is not within WDW boundries. :smokin:

MG
 
Maistre Gracey said:
Does anyone know how much of the land was inside vs outside of the WDW boundries?

My first thoughts were not good, but after reading the post it seems like they are just selling wasteland. Having property just for the sake of having property doesn't make much sense to me.... especially if it is not within WDW boundries. :smokin:

MG

I agree totally with you. When you read the sensationalized headlines "Disney sells 349 acres" its a little misleading. After reading the article, my understanding is that a majority of the property was a mile north of the WDW boundary and a chunk of it was used to deposit waste-water, but now with technology they no longer need large pieces of land to deposit waste water, since they are able to recylce most of it now.

I do believe that one of the appeals of WDW is that it appears to be its own little kingdom packed away which you can immerse yourself into. That will be lost if they were to sell land much closer to the actual theme parks. It would lose its flavor if as you are pulling into the MK parking Lot there is a giant Super Walmart(nothing against SuperWalmart)
 

Yes, the big chunk that is being sold is outside of WDW property, and won't affect the perceived "buffer." Of the two smaller tracts, one will have large single family homes and the other small tract will house a High School which is the request of the county school board. I really don't see this as a big deal at all.
 
If I recall correctly, several years ago Disney purchased about 5,000 acres as part of major water treatment project to bring WDW's system inline with all the growth on property. That project was cancelled (it was cheaper to change signs from Grand Floridian 'Beach Resort' to 'Spa' and close all the beaches, River Country and Discovery Island).

Walt said that he bought enough property for all the dreams they could possible have. As everyone knows, Disney stopped dreaming two decades ago and turned themselves in to a mall. The Attractions Division has been nothing but a giant ATM to fund all the "get rich quick" projects required to meet their 20% growth promise (GO.com, Fox Family, airplane leases, etc.) and to make up for all the failed business units - records, ABC, Feature Animation and The Disney Stores among them.

The fundamental dynamics of The Walt Disney Company haven't changed yet. WDW will continue to pay for all the other problems of the company - even if that means selling off large chunks of itself.
 
Another Voice said:
If I recall correctly, several years ago Disney purchased about 5,000 acres as part of major water treatment project to bring WDW's system inline with all the growth on property. That project was cancelled (it was cheaper to change signs from Grand Floridian 'Beach Resort' to 'Spa' and close all the beaches, River Country and Discovery Island).

Walt said that he bought enough property for all the dreams they could possible have. As everyone knows, Disney stopped dreaming two decades ago and turned themselves in to a mall. The Attractions Division has been nothing but a giant ATM to fund all the "get rich quick" projects required to meet their 20% growth promise (GO.com, Fox Family, airplane leases, etc.) and to make up for all the failed business units - records, ABC, Feature Animation and The Disney Stores among them.

The fundamental dynamics of The Walt Disney Company haven't changed yet. WDW will continue to pay for all the other problems of the company - even if that means selling off large chunks of itself.

I guess this confirms my comment in one of threads concerning sale of land was " It looks like they are in need of money"
 
Is there still 5,000 acres set aside as a conservation area? Is that area affected at all by this land sale?

I don't agree with them selling off the land no matter how much extra land they have. If they need to raise funds, they should sell off ABC & ABC Family.
 
Brian430 said:
Nonetheless, I thought the point of all that land in Florida was to create a buffer from the tacky commercialism that surrounded the California property.

So anytime they chip away at that buffer zone to make a quick buck it just sickens me.

So now, in addition to leasing their inside land to the likes of McDonalds, they are selling off their border property to tract housing developers.

Ugh.

ITA!!! They should be buying MORE land not selling it. I heard it was 700 acres in the past two deals.
 
PatriciaH said:
ITA!!! They should be buying MORE land not selling it. I heard it was 700 acres in the past two deals.
Why should Disney be buying more land? Disney is a business, and they need to make smart business decisions. What would be the business justification for buying more land at 2006 prices, when Disney owns a vast expanse of land purchased over 40 years ago for a few hundred dollars per acre?

And what's wrong with selling surplus land? If Disney were selling land along World Drive or Buena Vista Drive for a Home Depot and a CarMax, I would be upset. But I don't see any problem with Disney turning surplus acreage on fringes of their property into cash.
 
I am for the selling off of small chunks if that money earned would stay in WDW, to sell off land to then turn around to fund a movie or something for ABC is ridiculous
 
PatriciaH said:
ITA!!! They should be buying MORE land not selling it. I heard it was 700 acres in the past two deals.

They have 43 square miles of land, why buy more?
 
Brian430 said:
...the Tom Petty race car experience...

RichardTomPetty.jpg


Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
 
But I don't see any problem with Disney turning surplus acreage on fringes of their property into cash.

Its a fine line, and it all depends on how one defines surplus.

Given the way the company is run these days, certainly you'd agree there's at least reason to question what exactly they are doing.
 
Another Voice said:
As everyone knows, Disney stopped dreaming two decades ago and turned themselves in to a mall.

Go ahead and grind your axe down to the nub, but keep your opinions your own. "Everyone" does not agree with your assessment.
 
Another Voice said:
If I recall correctly, several years ago Disney purchased about 5,000 acres as part of major water treatment project to bring WDW's system inline with all the growth on property. That project was cancelled (it was cheaper to change signs from Grand Floridian 'Beach Resort' to 'Spa' and close all the beaches, River Country and Discovery Island).

Walt said that he bought enough property for all the dreams they could possible have. As everyone knows, Disney stopped dreaming two decades ago and turned themselves in to a mall. The Attractions Division has been nothing but a giant ATM to fund all the "get rich quick" projects required to meet their 20% growth promise (GO.com, Fox Family, airplane leases, etc.) and to make up for all the failed business units - records, ABC, Feature Animation and The Disney Stores among them.

The fundamental dynamics of The Walt Disney Company haven't changed yet. WDW will continue to pay for all the other problems of the company - even if that means selling off large chunks of itself.

Well, or maybe they closed River Country because they had typhoon lagoon/blizzard beach and closed discovery island because they had DAK. In other words, they improved.

Disney is/was a company that needs to make financial decisions. There is no way around that. They can't make decisions based on a few complainers.

By the way, if WDW is a mall, its by far the best damn mall ever.
 
malls have these things called 'stores'. they're individual and pretty much all sell different and varied items.

WDW's mall has different stores but they sell the exact, same merchandise. it's not imagineering, it's marketeering.
 


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