Italy!

I took an overnight train from Madrid to Paris and it was cramped but very nice! Overall it was clean and the food on it was good. The only thing was 4 people in those rooms is tiny so if you take one I would recommend buying the whole cabin even if there is only one of you (it might cost a lot more but personally I think it is worth it because it is that crammed with 4 people).
 
Gracie, you are doing the right thing, asking so many questions. You will be so excited by the time you arrive in Paris:goodvibes
 
Gracie, you are doing the right thing, asking so many questions. You will be so excited by the time you arrive in Paris:goodvibes


Thank you!! I am hoping that I can go sooner rather than later:goodvibes I have been researching like crazy! Today I plan to go over my budget and calculate how much to put away each week. I definately want to make sure I have spending money for this trip!!


Does anyone know how far the London visitor center is from the eurostar? I found the website in regards to the open top bus and it says where you can get on, and one place is the london visitor center.

also, has anyone done the tours through viator.com?? I am really leaning towards this for london. It's fully guided.
 

I read in my guidebook that gondala rides are 80 euros:scared1: Im assuming thats correct which is insane!

Yes, they were very expensive when I was there in June of 2010 - like $100 USD. We did not do one because we were just in the middle of our trip.
 
In Venice, besides the gondolas, there are water taxi type boats that will take you to other islands. Beautiful beaches that you would never know were there if you stayed in the main touristy area. My uncle lives in Venice so I had my own tour guide :) but it wasn't much to get there and it was less touristy.

This might seem like a common sense thing, but make sure you have appropriate clothing for touring. When I was on one trip, with a tour group, some of the girls wore short shorts and tank tops and that is frowned upon in the churches. Most of the tours include stops in the churches and they will either refuse you entrance or ask you to cover up with a shawl or something. Plan ahead.

Check with your bank if you are planning to use your ATM card. I had an issue with mine where it didn't work internationally and it made for a stressful first day when I went to take money out. After a few expensive calls back to the US, I finally got it settled.
 
I'd love to go to London too, but right now it's nowhere in my future.


I am definately leaning more towards taking the eurostar to London for the day and doing a tour. I think it would be worth it to go just to see Buckingham Palace! So now I have to do my research on exactly how to get there from Paris.

April 2012 is not too far away!! Not as far as my trip. Have you already been doing your research or just starting?
 
I am definately leaning more towards taking the eurostar to London for the day and doing a tour. I think it would be worth it to go just to see Buckingham Palace! So now I have to do my research on exactly how to get there from Paris.

April 2012 is not too far away!! Not as far as my trip. Have you already been doing your research or just starting?

I only found out where we were going in early June so it's newer research. I ordered the guidebooks in mid June and have been reading them but Ill probably do a lot more like a month out like I did for Madrid/Paris. That's when the trip becomes more of a reality for me so it's easier to do all of the research. I have to say though going with EF you really don't need to do a lot of research.
 
I was looking into the train to Italy as well from Paris (although my trip is much farther off than 1 year!!) Then I thought flying would be easier, since it's only a 2 hour flight. Have you thought about flying to italy?

I haven't read the whole thread so maybe someone mentioned this but when I was in Europe in November it was cheaper to fly with Easyjet than to take a train from Paris to Barcelona, much much cheaper.

Although Easyjet is a bare bones kind of flight.
 
I am definately leaning more towards taking the eurostar to London for the day and doing a tour. I think it would be worth it to go just to see Buckingham Palace! So now I have to do my research on exactly how to get there from Paris.

April 2012 is not too far away!! Not as far as my trip. Have you already been doing your research or just starting?

Just popping in to remind 2012 travelers to London that the summer Olympics will be there, and also the Queen's Diamond Jubilee will be celebrated. I think Queen Victoria is the only other British sovereign to celebrate a Diamond Jubilee, so I suspect it will be a Very Big Deal. In other words, if you're planning to go around that time, book early and be prepared for crowds.

(and don't worry, I haven't forgotten the Paris thread, but I have so much to say that it will probably be tomorrow :) )
 
Do make sure, you notify, your credit card company and bank. Let them know, you will be using your card, out of the country.
 
Disneylovin24 and Gracie1,

Perhaps it's time to re-title this thread? I was going to post a few things about Italy, but now Gracie1 is clearly steering this in the other direction, from Paris to London.

Oh, well. I'll throw in my two bits' worth no matter where the thread is going.

Disneylovin24, you were asking about dos and don’ts for Italy, as well as money.

First off, however, 3 days in Venice, 3 days in Florence and a day in Cinque Terre sounds lovely. Venice can be overrun by tourists, but since you will be staying three days, you’ll find that once the day-trippers leave back for mainland Italy around 5 pm or so, things get much more relaxed. Since you’re going in April, you’ll miss Carnival (that’ll be in mid-February next year), but you’ll still see the beautiful Carnival masks in small shops all over Venice.

A rehash of and embellishment on the dos and don’ts:

- yes, definitely sip a glass of wine at a café. Avoid St Mark’s square in Venice, since that is prime tourist destination, and the café prices show that. If you sit down at a café (and you should, if you want to watch the world go by), it will be somewhat more expensive then standing next to the bar, but that’s up to you.

- as for that cappuccino, Italians for some reason never drink it except at breakfast. (Go figure.) However, Italians are used to tourists, and will of course serve you a cappuccino even later in the day if you’re paying for it. (BTW, no one, I repeat no one, drinks cappuccionos with their meal; it’s for after the meal.)

- yes, try the gelato. Delicious.

- you mentioned that avoiding getting pickpocketed is a matter of not being stupid. That’s true, but only up to a point. Some of these pickpockets are professionals, and you cannot be alert at all times. For instance, a colleague tried to keep her bag tight against her body at all times, but once when she got off a crowded bus in Rome, she found that someone had simply slit the bottom of the bag open with a knife and grabbed a few things. (Your idea of a cross-the-body bag is a good one.)

- don’t plan on an early dinner. Italians usually don’t go out to eat until eight pm or so. Restaurants that are open earlier tend to be oriented towards the tourist market, and that may unfortunately show in the quality of the kitchen.

- how much will it cost? Since you’re going on a tour, you presumably will have already paid for your travel and hotels. That basically leaves meals, the odd glass of wine and shopping. The price of meals can vary, just like anywhere else: a slice of pizza or a sandwich plus a drink can be had for five or six dollars or so. A plate of pasta and a glass of wine? Say about ten dollars. A bang-up two/three course dinner with a reasonable bottle of wine? Anywhere from thirty dollars up.

- The price of your hotel in Italy will generally include at least a continental breakfast (a few rolls plus coffee), but if you’re lucky, it will be a modest buffet (rolls, some cold cuts and cheese, yoghurt, perhaps some fruit). That should keep you going until a light lunch. Throw in a cup of coffee during an afternoon break, the entrance fee to a museum or two, some postcards and stamps, plus the evening meal, and you should be able to get by easily on forty to fifty dollars a day. Use your credit card for the shopping: those beautiful Murano glasses, some fashionable leather gloves, perhaps a blouse or two … The prices of these are broadly comparable to the price of similar things in the U.S., but the quality is often superior.

- no one so far has mentioned tipping. Italian waiters would love for you to throw in an extra 15%, but Italians simply round up the sum by a euro or two (or three). (The bill already includes the “coperto”, and often also the “servizio”.) For good service, you might tip 10%, but you don’t need to. Cab drivers usually don’t get tipped, but a few euros for extra help with the baggage will be appreciated.

As for Gracie1,

First question, a week in Paris, or a split week with London or Rome thrown in. It's easy enough to find things to do for a week in Paris, but Paris is doable in three days. The Paris thread already listed the main spots. One day of commando-style touring can get you to many of the places, leaving time for shopping and time for just relaxing, watching the world go by. (I understand you aren't a museum person, so you presumably wouldn't be spending your time gawking at the Mona Lisa with the hordes of tourists.)

The same is true of Rome: if I was going for the first time, I would definitely prefer a week or more, but you can manage to see enough in two days to whet your appetite for a new trip. As a matter of fact, once when I attended a meeting there and found out that a colleague had never been to Rome, I took him on a grand walking tour that included the Vatican, the Spanish Steps, the Trevi Fountain, the Colosseum, the Forum Romanum, a couple of the main churches - plus lunch, all in five hours. (Now, that is commando! :lmao:)

But both Paris and Rome in one week? Don't. What with the (at least) half-day necessary for going from one to the other, you would be trying to cram too much into too little time, and would lose the best part of two of the most beautiful, culturally richest cities in the world: just enjoying the atmosphere over a morning (!) cup of cappuccino.

Paris and London in one week? Well, I’d almost say the same thing as for Paris and Rome. The difference is that the Eurostar train connection is fast (two and a half hours), and basically you can have breakfast in Paris, take the train from Gare du Nord and check in at your London hotel in plenty of time for lunch. The train only costs about 40 euros / 55 dollars, and drops you off at St Pancras station in the middle of London. With that small difference in mind, yes, you can do both in a week.

The downside? I’d say there are three main worries to London: overdoing it, the crowds, and the price of London. Also London has more than enough to see in just a few days, and as Laurie31 said, the crowds in 2012 for the Olympics and the Diamond Jubilee are going to be horrendous. You definitely have to book your hotels in advance, and you are going to be fighting the crowds coming and going. As for the prices, my experience is that the price even of a simple meal in London is considerably higher than in Paris and Rome – and, sorry to have to say this, the quality isn’t anywhere near the same!
 
Disneylovin24 and Gracie1,

Perhaps it's time to re-title this thread? I was going to post a few things about Italy, but now Gracie1 is clearly steering this in the other direction, from Paris to London.

She already made a Paris thread and I suggested to her to make a London one now too because I wanted this one to be just about Italy.

Oh, well. I'll throw in my two bits' worth no matter where the thread is going.

Disneylovin24, you were asking about dos and don’ts for Italy, as well as money.

First off, however, 3 days in Venice, 3 days in Florence and a day in Cinque Terre sounds lovely. Venice can be overrun by tourists, but since you will be staying three days, you’ll find that once the day-trippers leave back for mainland Italy around 5 pm or so, things get much more relaxed. Since you’re going in April, you’ll miss Carnival (that’ll be in mid-February next year), but you’ll still see the beautiful Carnival masks in small shops all over Venice.

A rehash of and embellishment on the dos and don’ts:

- yes, definitely sip a glass of wine at a café. Avoid St Mark’s square in Venice, since that is prime tourist destination, and the café prices show that. If you sit down at a café (and you should, if you want to watch the world go by), it will be somewhat more expensive then standing next to the bar, but that’s up to you.

Once again, only 17 I don't drink. I don't even care what the age is over there, I just don't drink.

- as for that cappuccino, Italians for some reason never drink it except at breakfast. (Go figure.) However, Italians are used to tourists, and will of course serve you a cappuccino even later in the day if you’re paying for it. (BTW, no one, I repeat no one, drinks cappuccionos with their meal; it’s for after the meal.)

- yes, try the gelato. Delicious.

- you mentioned that avoiding getting pickpocketed is a matter of not being stupid. That’s true, but only up to a point. Some of these pickpockets are professionals, and you cannot be alert at all times. For instance, a colleague tried to keep her bag tight against her body at all times, but once when she got off a crowded bus in Rome, she found that someone had simply slit the bottom of the bag open with a knife and grabbed a few things. (Your idea of a cross-the-body bag is a good one.)

- don’t plan on an early dinner. Italians usually don’t go out to eat until eight pm or so. Restaurants that are open earlier tend to be oriented towards the tourist market, and that may unfortunately show in the quality of the kitchen.

WE have dinner included and planned out for us in the tour so we have no control over what time we eat.

- how much will it cost? Since you’re going on a tour, you presumably will have already paid for your travel and hotels. That basically leaves meals, the odd glass of wine and shopping. The price of meals can vary, just like anywhere else: a slice of pizza or a sandwich plus a drink can be had for five or six dollars or so. A plate of pasta and a glass of wine? Say about ten dollars. A bang-up two/three course dinner with a reasonable bottle of wine? Anywhere from thirty dollars up.

We have already paid for hotel, travels, and breakfast and dinner so I won't be needing any dinner money.

- The price of your hotel in Italy will generally include at least a continental breakfast (a few rolls plus coffee), but if you’re lucky, it will be a modest buffet (rolls, some cold cuts and cheese, yoghurt, perhaps some fruit). That should keep you going until a light lunch. Throw in a cup of coffee during an afternoon break, the entrance fee to a museum or two, some postcards and stamps, plus the evening meal, and you should be able to get by easily on forty to fifty dollars a day. Use your credit card for the shopping: those beautiful Murano glasses, some fashionable leather gloves, perhaps a blouse or two … The prices of these are broadly comparable to the price of similar things in the U.S., but the quality is often superior.

- no one so far has mentioned tipping. Italian waiters would love for you to throw in an extra 15%, but Italians simply round up the sum by a euro or two (or three). (The bill already includes the “coperto”, and often also the “servizio”.) For good service, you might tip 10%, but you don’t need to. Cab drivers usually don’t get tipped, but a few euros for extra help with the baggage will be appreciated.

Our tour guide takes care of all tipping.

!


Thanks for all of that!



Im finding out more and more that thanks to EF Tours I really don't need to know that much! I kinda knew that after last year's trip but now it's becoming really clear. They really do take care of everything.
 
Im finding out more and more that thanks to EF Tours I really don't need to know that much! I kinda knew that after last year's trip but now it's becoming really clear. They really do take care of everything.

OK, I must have missed your earlier post about not drinking wine.

And since EF Tours is taking care of travel, hotels and at least dinners (as well as, I assume, entrance fees to museums and other places), your absolute need for spending money would seem to be down to almost zero. A few postcards and stamps here and there, perhaps a soft drink, coffee and incidental gelato, we are talking about just a few dollars a day. Scrooge McDuck would be jealous. :goodvibes
 
OK, I must have missed your earlier post about not drinking wine.

And since EF Tours is taking care of travel, hotels and at least dinners (as well as, I assume, entrance fees to museums and other places), your absolute need for spending money would seem to be down to almost zero. A few postcards and stamps here and there, perhaps a soft drink, coffee and incidental gelato, we are talking about just a few dollars a day. Scrooge McDuck would be jealous. :goodvibes

I still need money though for souvineers but yeah pretty much the only thing we NEED to pay for everyday is lunch.
 
Here's a question.

Do they have a lot of gelatto flavors over there like we have a lot of ice cream flavors or do they just have "basic" flavors? And to those who have been to Italy what is your favorite flavor?


Im a big ice cream person (yes I have had gelatto too and enjoy that too) so Im very excited about having real gelatto over there:goodvibes
 


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