It Makes Me So Mad

[luvindisneyworld]

It makes me so mad when DVC members reserve a room and then try to rent it out during high demand times.There is a thread over on the rent board where they have a studio for rent during MH.
Dont get me wrong i rent my points out to only 1 person but they tell me what dates they need and then i make the reservation.I dont hold a room during peak times when people are on the waitlist for those times.

It just makes me so upset.I am on the waitlist for MH and then you see a post like that.

OK, i feel a little better now.

Misty

 

[sheryl0521]

If I remember right, the person listing this rental may only be in the business of renting points. So I guess I'm not too surprised to see him/her looking to profit off this DVC event.

 

[luvindisneyworld]

I thought that was againist the rules of your membership.Is there not something that can be done?
Misty

 

[DaveO]

Everyone has the same opportunity to rent the rooms and do with them as they wish. Renting is not against the rules. Owning points for the sole reason of a commercial enterprise is. We do not live in a socialist society (although you would think we do sometimes).

It is against the rules to post a negative remark about a specific user on the boards.

Dave O.

 

[sheryl0521]

Point taken, I have edited my original post and removed the user name.

 

[luvindisneyworld]

Do you see where I mentioned a name.As for the other poster they did not say anything negative.I think its the truth.just like i said i dont have a problem renting out points but to make a reservation during a very busy time and try to rent it out is a little selfish.
Misty

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by DaveO
Everyone has the same opportunity to rent the rooms and do with them as they wish. Renting is not against the rules. Owning points for the sole reason of a commercial enterprise is.

Let me guess that you are a frequent renter of pts.
It is legal to rent your points.........and a lot of posters do because of sickness,deaths,etc. But to rent out prime weeks to the highest bidder on E-Bay or rent/trade boards isn't what I think DVC had in mind for there program IMO.

 

[luvindisneyworld]

Originally posted by Nick@ VB+OKW
Let me guess that you are a frequent renter of pts.
It is legal to rent your points.........and a lot of posters do because of sickness,deaths,etc. But to rent out prime weeks to the highest bidder on E-Bay or rent/trade boards isn't what I think DVC had in mind for there program.

ITA

 

[DaveO]

Making assumptions..... (Everyone knows the saying about assuming )

I have only rented out twice in 6 years. Again everyone has the same opportunity. I called day by day to get a standard BWV 1BR for a person who could not afford the preferred view. Is this bad because I am not using it. Does it make a difference if I charge $7 a point or $25 a point? Is 7 OK but not 25? Why? I do not understand the difference of renting a grand villa and giving it to a friend .... would folks get this upset as well. The non-using member is taking the villa away from other members. Just because money is involved does not change the argument. Following the above chain of thought only members can use the room otherwise it is unfair.

It is only unfair if the member was breaking the rules which he is not.

Now about only charging $10/pt on the rental board .......

If someone can get $100/pt on ebay for a confirmed XMAS reservation that everyone had the same opportunity to get, more power to the renter ..... capitalism is a wonderful ideal.

Dave O.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by DaveO
I have only rented out twice in 6 years.

Dave
Sorry for assuming you were a frequent renter.
I think what a lot of posters are referring to are the DVC members that strictly use there pts for "renting" and not personal use for themselves,family or friends.

 

[niks81]

Originally posted by Nick@ VB+OKW
But to rent out prime weeks to the highest bidder on E-Bay or rent/trade boards isn't what I think DVC had in mind for there program IMO.

DVC probably didn't have that in mind. I guess I look at it like the member that got the reservation that is being "sought after" by someone on a waiting list just beat other member to it. Who's business is it of anyone else to judge any member for their use of points...or how much they charge? It isn't anyone's business. I agree with Dave...if you can get $100/pt on ebay, more power to you. Everyone had the same opportunity to snag those dates, some are just quicker than others.

How do you really know the members on this board that rent the points for profit only? Perhaps you see them renting frequently but how do you know they aren't using 1/2 for themselves? I doubt that anyone could say that for sure unless they heard it directly from that member's mouth.

And no, I do not rent points often. I've had my share of disappointments by not getting dates I wanted (and then seeing them up for grabs on here or ebay), but every DVC member had the same opportunity so if it is really important to you then you better be on the phone at 9am with MS.

I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I think it is just as rude when others are flamed on here when #1 Everyone had the same opportunity and #2 You're assuming you "know" who rents for profit only.

PS Misty I'm really sorry you are still on the waiting list....good luck, I do hope you get the room you were wanting.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by niks81
DVC probably didn't have that in mind.

I am glad to see we agree on the above.

 

[niks81]

I agree

I was waiting for you to flame me Nick...what a relief

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I am certainly not a fan of renting as a business, or reserving high demand times specifically to rent out on e-bay.
I am not going to argue whether or not it is allowed by the POS, but I will say that it is not 'in the spirit' that DVC intended.

That being said, most of us will agree that the occasional renting of points due to unforeseen circumstances, is a nice option to have.

MG

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by niks81
I was waiting for you to flame me Nick...what a relief

....................didn't want to dissapoint you.

 

[niks81]

Gee thanks

 

[CarolMN]

Originally posted by Nick@ VB+OKW
...(snip).... But to rent out prime weeks to the highest bidder on E-Bay or rent/trade boards isn't what I think DVC had in mind for there program IMO.

Maybe not, but at least we members have the same opportunity as the person who is renting his/her points to book the popular times.

I'm getting a LOT more concerned about how DVC gives inventory to CRO to rent for cash. Lately, there are a lot more posts from people saying they are getting DVC rooms for cash for early December - hard to believe it is all from the 4% ownersip that Disney retains. I know there are waitlists for this time and the 7 month window hasn't even opened yet!

Doesn't anyone else wonder how DVC chooses the time/units to send to CRO and how far ahead of time they do it? Can't help but wonder if they use the 11 month window. They obviously are not using the 7 month window as a criteria!

Again, seems to me that this should be of more concern to members than renters who live within the same booking rules as the rest of us!

 

[jmminarik]

Originally posted by CarolMN
Maybe not, but at least we members have the same opportunity as the person who is renting his/her points to book the popular times.

I think the problem people may be having is that, while legal, it certainly doesn't seem ethical to tie up prime periods for personal self gain. Personally, I don't care much...any large organization or group will always have their paragons of virtue, bottom feeders, and the bulk of the people somewhere in between.

I'm getting a LOT more concerned about how DVC gives inventory to CRO to rent for cash. Lately, there are a lot more posts from people saying they are getting DVC rooms for cash for early December - hard to believe it is all from the 4% ownersip that Disney retains. (SNIP) Can't help but wonder if they use the 11 month window. They obviously are not using the 7 month window as a criteria!

I don't know if the contract has any lawyerese to confusticate this situation, but if DVD owns points, I don't see why they can't use the 11 month window just like any other owner. From a purely business perspective, it's the best return on their points AND if we (the non DVD DVC owners) can't get points ressies, it means we have to pay cash, use points inefficiently, or go some other time of the year. Of course, it's not nice for DVD to do this, but they are in the business of selling and renting rooms.

Just my thoughts.
Joe

 

[CarolMN]

Originally posted by jmminarik
I think the problem people may be having is that, while legal, it certainly doesn't seem ethical to tie up prime periods for personal self gain. Personally, I don't care much...any large organization or group will always have their paragons of virtue, bottom feeders, and the bulk of the people somewhere in between.

I understand why some believe this to be unethical. I just don't agree with them. Those who are upset are upset because they didn't/couldn't book as soon as the rules allowed. Reservations are on a "first to ask, first to get" basis.

I don't know if the contract has any lawyerese to confusticate this situation, but if DVD owns points, I don't see why they can't use the 11 month window just like any other owner. From a purely business perspective, it's the best return on their points AND if we (the non DVD DVC owners) can't get points ressies, it means we have to pay cash, use points inefficiently, or go some other time of the year.

I don't think it is wrong/illegal for Disney to use the 11 month window for the points it owns. But I am having a hard time believing that all the "cash rooms" are coming from the 4% owned portion, though. I think some of them must be coming from member trade outs, but I could easily be wrong - I have no data, just anecdotal evidence.

Of course, it's not nice for DVD to do this, but they are in the business of selling and renting rooms.

Just my thoughts.
Joe

And that is my point! DVC didn't use to routinely send popular times to CRO until well after the 7 month winodw was open - or at least we never knew that they did. DVC has a LOT more potential to "keep rooms from members at popular times" than anyone who rents their individual stake. Surely there was availability for other times (less popular with members than early December) that they could have sent to offset the trade outs! The 7 month window isn't even open for early December and there are already waiting lists for most resorts/room types for that time. Again, this seems more "unethical" to me than a member renting out points. Isn't DVC supposed to operate in the members' best interests? I don't think this practice qualiifies!

Anyway, I really don't see why people get so upset at the renters and not at DVC.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Carol

P.S. I have not ever rented my points and I have no plans do ever do so. However, I do believe in capitalism

 

[niks81]

Those who are upset are upset because they didn't/couldn't book as soon as the rules allowed. Reservations are on a "first to ask, first to get" basis.

Anyway, I really don't see why people get so upset at the renters and not at DVC.

I couldn't agree more