Is'nt this just wrong?

[WDWJWEB1]

This really irks me when members purposely take prime dates just to sell them to non-members!!! Am I having a bad day
or does this bother other members also? I was searching
E-bay earlier and found this




I have additional days and I also have other dates available in March, April & May in 1 & 2-Bedrooms and Studios including;3/24-3/26 in a 2-BR at the BC,3/17-3/24 in a Preferred Studio at the BW,3/19-3/24 in a Preferred Studio at the BW,3/17-3/24 in a Studio at the BC, 3/19-3/24 in a Studio at the BC, 3/31-4/2 & 4/2-4/7 in a Studio at the BC,Easter Week, 4/16-4/21 in a 2-BR at the BW,and 4/22-4/29 in a Preferred Studio at the BW. Check out my other auctions or email me if you don'tsee the dates you need and I'll set up an auction.

This is way above the I have some extra points I can't use so let me rent them. This is a borderline company (IMHO) It's no wonder there are so many members on the wait list. Maybe I got up on the wrong side of the bed today but this really upset me!!!​

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[Cruelladeville]

You don't know that they are members, they could have traded in...having said that, as a member you can get a prime date like Christmas, for example, and give it to your relatives, it's exactly the same thing. I am more bothered by members making ressies that they know they will never use, and then cancelling them at 31 days when no cheap airfare has presented itself. Or renting 5 rooms JUST IN CASE their entire town wants to come along. Oh, well, it's their points that are tied up...

 

[bobbiwoz]

Well, at least the company didn't get the standard views!!!

Sometimes ignorance is bliss, I didn't know about such things when I bought into DVC and knowing them does not increase the quality of my life one bit, and it isn't helping yours either.

If it bothers you to the point of doing something, do something that you see as constructive, then put it aside for the powers that be to deal with it. DVC and going to Disney works for me as a stress reducer not something that adds to my stress. I hope it can be the same for you.

Bobbi

PS. Does it bother me? Honestly, no. What would it take to bother me? Having absolutely no place to stay at these times if I tried to book into any DVC resort at say, 5 months out.

 

[Frankiesmom]

I just bid on a 12/24-12/29 stay on Ebay @ OKW in a studio;my question to the seller was could I have the points transfered into my DVC acct. instead of the actual ressie? I am awaiting the answer. If so then I can put back the 75 points I borrowed for our New years stay? I truly believe I found a bargain;if whoever this person is doesn't want to enjoy their points for a wonderful vaca @ Disney then their loss. Just my 2 cents. Angel

 

[yitbos96bb]

This really irks me when members purposely take prime dates just to sell them to non-members!!! Am I having a bad day
or does this bother other members also? I was searching
E-bay earlier and found this




I have additional days and I also have other dates available in March, April & May in 1 & 2-Bedrooms and Studios including;3/24-3/26 in a 2-BR at the BC,3/17-3/24 in a Preferred Studio at the BW,3/19-3/24 in a Preferred Studio at the BW,3/17-3/24 in a Studio at the BC, 3/19-3/24 in a Studio at the BC, 3/31-4/2 & 4/2-4/7 in a Studio at the BC,Easter Week, 4/16-4/21 in a 2-BR at the BW,and 4/22-4/29 in a Preferred Studio at the BW. Check out my other auctions or email me if you don'tsee the dates you need and I'll set up an auction.

This is way above the I have some extra points I can't use so let me rent them. This is a borderline company (IMHO) It's no wonder there are so many members on the wait list. Maybe I got up on the wrong side of the bed today but this really upset me!!!​

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I think it is slimy of them to do, but it is their right to do it. I wouldn't do it myself, but I do have the right too.

 

[LisaS]

I just bid on a 12/24-12/29 stay on Ebay @ OKW in a studio;my question to the seller was could I have the points transfered into my DVC acct. instead of the actual ressie? I am awaiting the answer. If so then I can put back the 75 points I borrowed for our New years stay? I truly believe I found a bargain;if whoever this person is doesn't want to enjoy their points for a wonderful vaca @ Disney then their loss. Just my 2 cents. Angel

I apologize if I'm telling you something you already know but I was confused by what you said in your post about putting back the 75 points you borrowed for a New Year's stay. Borrowing is a one-way transacation. Once you borrow points from one use year into the previous use year, you cannot "put them back" into their original use year. The points must be used by the end of the use year into which they were borrowed.

Just wanted to warn you in case you are about to pay to have points transferred to you only to find out when you call MS that you cannot "unborrow" those other points.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Does this bother me? Um, why should I even care what some person with a DVC reservation does with it?

Honestly, to me this falls squarely into "Serenity Prayer" territory:

[Universe] grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

[rn]

 

[DVCLiz]

No, this doesn't bother me at all. I have exactly the same chance of getting those reservations at my home resort as that person on Ebay. If he or she has "taken" my reservation, it's because he or she called earlier than I did. Why shouldn't a member feel free to use their points in any way they want???

If I had to rent my points out one year, I'd much rather be trying to market a highly sought after reservation than a firesale $8.00 a point that was going to expire in two months with little choice for the renter.

I've got a 2BR in July at HH for five days reserved for our family vacation. If something happened and I had to cancel, I'd surely try to rent that reservation first to someone else, rather than cancel and put the points back in my account. Why on earth wouldn't you?

 

[WDWJWEB1]

I've got a 2BR in July at HH for five days reserved for our family vacation. If something happened and I had to cancel, I'd surely try to rent that reservation first to someone else, rather than cancel and put the points back in my account. Why on earth wouldn't you?

I agree with you as far as the above quote but the person in question has made "10" reservations, and obviously never planed to use them. I have not figured the total points yet but Cruelladeville suggested the they might not be members. I know of no way to trade in that many days and points to the DVC! It's not bothering me enough to where I'll lose sleep over it, I just think it's wrong.

I also understand that issues come up and people change plans, that is a nice perk with the DVC. But the above issue seems to me to be outright obusive to the DVC and it's members.

 

[dvcnewgirl]

I have to admit. Yes! This does bug me!

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

This really irks me when members purposely take prime dates just to sell them to non-members!!!

What's the cost of these reservations? Maybe the person is renting points for <$10 here on the R&T board, making reservations, and putting them on Ebay. If DVC members stop renting thier points so cheaply it would take profit out of this "scoop-up and re-rent" practice.

Maybe the points used for these reservations belong to the seller, and it's their right to do what they want with them.

Why wait till one month out to make your plans for Spring Break? Make them at 11 months and forget about this being a problem.

 

[Sammie]

Does it bug me, probably

Should I not let it bug me, probably

It bugs me right up there with renters getting the same perks as owners.

I feel that members should have exclusive rights to pool hopping, discounts, DVC free valet parking and the dining plan without tickets. I feel when renters get these perks that members have paid for; then why shouldn't someone renting from Disney get them too.

I have no problem with renters, especially when members rent to keep from losing points etc. I just am not sure that $10 point warrants the same perks as members. To me the value saved on the room should be enough.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...It bugs me right up there with renters getting the same perks as owners.

I feel that members should have exclusive rights to pool hopping, discounts, DVC free valet parking and the dining plan without tickets. I feel when renters get these perks that members have paid for; then why shouldn't someone renting from Disney get them too.

I have no problem with renters, especially when members rent to keep from losing points etc. I just am not sure that $10 point warrants the same perks as members. To me the value saved on the room should be enough.

Oh, yeah, Sammie. Right on the money with that one.

 

[Dean]

They are obviously members since not all weeks are 7 days. But it's their points and their right. As was mentioned above, the only thing you could do would be to refer them back to DVC under the commercial renter clause. I'd be interested in knowing what would happen though I suspect not a thing. If no one bids, that will fix that. I'd also agree that it does not matter. Anyone else who owned at those resorts could have reserved at 11 months out and I'd put anyone renting from an owner at X resort as above a DVC owner from a different DVC resort.

As I've said before, the emotional side of this board gives me a laugh. The perks are a good example. There are few perks I can think of that if a non member (guest or rentee) where it hurts the member in any way other than their own insecurity. The exceptions would be things like pool hopping where there would be crowding issues. But if someone gets a meal discount when staying at DVC, it doesn't hurt other members one bit and likely helps them. DVC does not pay anything for these discounts and the like, likely with a couple of exceptions. So the more people who use restaurant X using the DVC discount, the better it likely is for members as the perk is more likely to continue.

I think it is slimy of them to do, but it is their right to do it. I wouldn't do it myself, but I do have the right too.

If, by your own admission, it's their right why is it slimy. They bought the points and are using them as they see fit. I think we're back to the emotional components again.

 

[DVCLiz]

I agree with you as far as the above quote but the person in question has made "10" reservations, and obviously never planed to use them. I have not figured the total points yet but Cruelladeville suggested the they might not be members. I know of no way to trade in that many days and points to the DVC! It's not bothering me enough to where I'll lose sleep over it, I just think it's wrong.

I also understand that issues come up and people change plans, that is a nice perk with the DVC. But the above issue seems to me to be outright obusive to the DVC and it's members.

You still have to have the points in your account in order to make a reservation, though, don't you? So this person, even if they are "using up" a lot of DVC rooms at peak times, is still within his rights as an owner to make whatever reservations he wants with his points. And if he chooses to rent them instead of use them, I just don't have a problem with it. He'd otherwise be using the points himself, so the room would still be taken, wouldn't it?

I really don't see the problem here - as long as Disney allows us to rent reservations, why would it be considered "slimy" or abusive to do so?? Disney caps the number of points an individual can own at 5000, so there is a limit to how many reservations someone can make. If they wanted, they could easily stop the rental perk.

Just don't get the anger about it...

 

[canwegosoon]

Luckly most members do not do this...to me it only really bugs me about the using it more as a business than as a personal use. But it is not restricted, and you never know when I am going to need a few points...but I wish DVC management would look harder into using it as a business(renting all their points on ebay....I wish there was some way to limit those transactions) .

Try not to let it bother you...you will get what you need.

 

[rogerram]

What's the cost of these reservations? Maybe the person is renting points for <$10 here on the R&T board, making reservations, and putting them on Ebay. If DVC members stop renting thier points so cheaply it would take profit out of this "scoop-up and re-rent" practice.

I think it is a member who is grabbing these prime weeks and then renting them out. He says he is waitlisted for April 9th also and renters can't waitlist without the owner doing it. The auction is checking in April 10 and leaving April 14th(4 day reservation) at BCV 2 bedroom at $2,879 starting bid or buy it now at $3094. That is a 200 point reservation. I have no problem if he gets the $15+ for his points, but to book for the sole purpose of taking these weeks is low. Considering he is also offering 9 other vacation dates to bid on as well.

I have

additional days and I also have other dates available in March, April & May in 1 & 2-Bedrooms and Studios including;3/24-3/26 in a 2-BR at the BC,3/17-3/24 in a Preferred Studio at the BW,3/19-3/24 in a Preferred Studio at the BW,3/17-3/24 in a Studio at the BC, 3/19-3/24 in a Studio at the BC, 3/31-4/2 & 4/2-4/7 in a Studio at the BC,Easter Week, 4/16-4/21 in a 2-BR at the BW,and 4/22-4/29 in a Preferred Studio at the BW. Check out my other auctions or email me if you don'tsee the dates you need and I'll set up an auction.

 

[bsusanmb]

I just bought into DVC - 500 points. I did this because of all the trips we take to WDW, and the fact that I was scammed on Ebay for a fraudulent timeshare rental at WDW. I looked at the listing you referred to and the seller doesn't have ratings from recent transactions. One of the persons who left a positive only has a rating of "1". This person may be legit, but this is how I, and 28 other people were scammed. The person who sold me the fraudulent vacation had been listed on ebay for over a year and had lots of feedback, but I didn't notice that most of the buyers were no longer registered users, or had a very limited rating such as 1 to 3. I was so eager to get a great deal that I paid immediately from my bank account for 2 weeks. Needless to say, I lost all my money, and so did everyone else. Buyer beware. I would never again rent a vacation through ebay. I rented points 2 years ago through this board, and I had direct contact with the owner of the points, even at her job. It was a good experience.

I did a google search of the scammer from the ebay disaster and found her all over the internet, and she was arrested previously in Arkansas for selling bogus timeshares in the past. Ebay and paypal didn't seem to care. She was even listed as a square deal trader or whatever that designation is.

Now that I have my points, I am going to keep them all to myself.

Let's just watch this ebay seller and see how it goes with him (or her). Time will tell if this person is legit, and if he can get all of these weeks sold.

 

[swich2mac]

This practice really honks me off!!!!!!

 

[Frankiesmom]

Well I replied earlier that I had put a bid in on Ebay for a 5 day ressie @ OKW-this reservation they are selling is for 12/24-12/29 in a studio;I received a cancellation notice to my bid-because I was a DVC member! The high bid right now is 178.51;I put my bid in @ 400.00;something is really funny there-that reservation is worth 75 points and that means in the next 24 hours when bidding is up-someone is going to walk away with a xmas reserv. for under 200.00; I guess to each his own.....but why so cheap?