is this unfair???

I wrote this out last night and then the boards flipped out.

I totally disagree with this. Parents aren't to strict, good colleges are getting harder and harder to get into every day. Our parents just want us to be able to go where we want to in life. My parents don't ground me for grades but i have never been in a situation in which they would need too. I myself strive for A's and only A's. My parents have never said " Get A's or your grounded." Please..

I want to be validictorian, that is MY goal, MY dream, that is what I want and not what my parents have put me towards. My parents have rasied me to reach for my dreams, and I believe if your parents are saying no trip because your grades have slipped, that is fair. Because, you know what? You shouldn't be letting your grades slip.. maybe you should have studied a little more for that one test? Maybe you should have gone in for a little more help? The fact of life is.. Math is a hard subject and if we don't get help when we need it, our grades slip, but you should be willing to work extra hard to pull the grade back up. Maybe make a deal with your parents that if you bring the grade back up to where it was or to a certain point that perhaps you can still go on your trip?

I wish you all the luck in the world!

-shannie

And who says a kid is going to college? It makes me sick how people treat college. WAY to many people act like if you don't go to college, your screwed. They act like going to your dream college is the ONLY way to succeed. Like going to a Stanford or Yale or Harvard or U-M or Ohio State is the only way to make it in life.

Not to mention, what defines a "good" college? Is it the name? The ammount of kids they reject? The super duper high standard they say they have? What's wrong with going to the community college down the street? Sure, they might not have the prestige that your "bigger" colleges have, but guess what. There are many community colleges that have the best programs in their respected fields. Also all those mid-sized colleges. Eastern Michigan isn't the biggest or the most well respected, (like a Stanford or Yale), and they have argueable the best fiberoptics schooling in the country, and guess what? Fiberoptics is where the money is at.

You also need to judge what success is. Is success determined by what everybody else thinks it is, or is it determined by what the PERSON feels it is. I'd be fine not having the biggest baddest house on the block, with the biggest TV I can have, and the millions of cars. I'd be fine with a little townhouse nestled just outside of town with a bit of land. The way I'm going to define my success, is how good of a husband I am. How good of a father I am. How good of a friend am I? How good of a relative am I? You can't go to school to learn those. I plan on passing by college, and either attending a trade school, or possibly an aprenticeship, and eventually end up with a job I love. Sure, I didn't graduate from Michigan or Florida or Texas or USC or Stanford or Yale or any of those other ones, but I'd be doing something I love, most likely taking the best, and cheapest, route to it.

I also feel that as long as you have a reason for your grades slipping, and they don't slip too far, it's alright. Should we punish the kid who's grade whent from an A+ to an B because his girlfriend broke up with him, and he missed a few assignments, or the girl who went from a B+ to a C+ because her grandmother died, and she's been dealing with stress? I say no. Personal Life comes before school or anything else.

I also think that we put too much importance on schooling. I mean, when am I ever going to need to use triginometry in my daily life? When am I ever going to need to know the true meaning behind Romeo and Juliet? When am I ever going to need to know all of the functions off a cell? If you want to be a mathmatician or an English teacher or a Biologist, fine, but don't force me to take classes I'm not going to need.:confused3

Also, sense when has grades determined intellegence?

So yeah, the school system as is sucks, and I think people put WAY too much importance on it.:thumbsup2
 
I wrote this out last night and then the boards flipped out.



And who says a kid is going to college? It makes me sick how people treat college. WAY to many people act like if you don't go to college, your screwed. They act like going to your dream college is the ONLY way to succeed. Like going to a Stanford or Yale or Harvard or U-M or Ohio State is the only way to make it in life.

Not to mention, what defines a "good" college? Is it the name? The ammount of kids they reject? The super duper high standard they say they have? What's wrong with going to the community college down the street? Sure, they might not have the prestige that your "bigger" colleges have, but guess what. There are many community colleges that have the best programs in their respected fields. Also all those mid-sized colleges. Eastern Michigan isn't the biggest or the most well respected, (like a Stanford or Yale), and they have argueable the best fiberoptics schooling in the country, and guess what? Fiberoptics is where the money is at.

You also need to judge what success is. Is success determined by what everybody else thinks it is, or is it determined by what the PERSON feels it is. I'd be fine not having the biggest baddest house on the block, with the biggest TV I can have, and the millions of cars. I'd be fine with a little townhouse nestled just outside of town with a bit of land. The way I'm going to define my success, is how good of a husband I am. How good of a father I am. How good of a friend am I? How good of a relative am I? You can't go to school to learn those. I plan on passing by college, and either attending a trade school, or possibly an aprenticeship, and eventually end up with a job I love. Sure, I didn't graduate from Michigan or Florida or Texas or USC or Stanford or Yale or any of those other ones, but I'd be doing something I love, most likely taking the best, and cheapest, route to it.

I also feel that as long as you have a reason for your grades slipping, and they don't slip too far, it's alright. Should we punish the kid who's grade whent from an A+ to an B because his girlfriend broke up with him, and he missed a few assignments, or the girl who went from a B+ to a C+ because her grandmother died, and she's been dealing with stress? I say no. Personal Life comes before school or anything else.

I also think that we put too much importance on schooling. I mean, when am I ever going to need to use triginometry in my daily life? When am I ever going to need to know the true meaning behind Romeo and Juliet? When am I ever going to need to know all of the functions off a cell? If you want to be a mathmatician or an English teacher or a Biologist, fine, but don't force me to take classes I'm not going to need.:confused3

Also, sense when has grades determined intellegence?

So yeah, the school system as is sucks, and I think people put WAY too much importance on it.:thumbsup2
That is very true Mike.

3tm, it sounds like your parents weren't really going to go on the trip in the first place, so they came up with the excuse to blame it on you.
 
I also think that we put too much importance on schooling. I mean, when am I ever going to need to use triginometry in my daily life? When am I ever going to need to know the true meaning behind Romeo and Juliet? When am I ever going to need to know all of the functions off a cell? If you want to be a mathmatician or an English teacher or a Biologist, fine, but don't force me to take classes I'm not going to need.:confused3

::yes::
 
that makes a little sense i guess
but whatever :confused3
 

i hate to break it to you but PEOPLE AREN'T PERFECT.

hey just the other day, i got a C+ on this one USH quiz. i NEVER get a c+. i was pratically sitting in class thinking holy crap. what are my parents gonna say? but then i thought, they're not really gonna care. i mean they do and stuff but they're gonna be like it's one test. do better on the next one. which i did, btw.

so yeah. people make mistakes, i just wish some parents would realize it more often.
 
I wrote this out last night and then the boards flipped out.



And who says a kid is going to college? It makes me sick how people treat college. WAY to many people act like if you don't go to college, your screwed. They act like going to your dream college is the ONLY way to succeed. Like going to a Stanford or Yale or Harvard or U-M or Ohio State is the only way to make it in life.

Not to mention, what defines a "good" college? Is it the name? The ammount of kids they reject? The super duper high standard they say they have? What's wrong with going to the community college down the street? Sure, they might not have the prestige that your "bigger" colleges have, but guess what. There are many community colleges that have the best programs in their respected fields. Also all those mid-sized colleges. Eastern Michigan isn't the biggest or the most well respected, (like a Stanford or Yale), and they have argueable the best fiberoptics schooling in the country, and guess what? Fiberoptics is where the money is at.

You also need to judge what success is. Is success determined by what everybody else thinks it is, or is it determined by what the PERSON feels it is. I'd be fine not having the biggest baddest house on the block, with the biggest TV I can have, and the millions of cars. I'd be fine with a little townhouse nestled just outside of town with a bit of land. The way I'm going to define my success, is how good of a husband I am. How good of a father I am. How good of a friend am I? How good of a relative am I? You can't go to school to learn those. I plan on passing by college, and either attending a trade school, or possibly an aprenticeship, and eventually end up with a job I love. Sure, I didn't graduate from Michigan or Florida or Texas or USC or Stanford or Yale or any of those other ones, but I'd be doing something I love, most likely taking the best, and cheapest, route to it.

I also feel that as long as you have a reason for your grades slipping, and they don't slip too far, it's alright. Should we punish the kid who's grade whent from an A+ to an B because his girlfriend broke up with him, and he missed a few assignments, or the girl who went from a B+ to a C+ because her grandmother died, and she's been dealing with stress? I say no. Personal Life comes before school or anything else.

I also think that we put too much importance on schooling. I mean, when am I ever going to need to use triginometry in my daily life? When am I ever going to need to know the true meaning behind Romeo and Juliet? When am I ever going to need to know all of the functions off a cell? If you want to be a mathmatician or an English teacher or a Biologist, fine, but don't force me to take classes I'm not going to need.:confused3

Also, sense when has grades determined intellegence?

So yeah, the school system as is sucks, and I think people put WAY too much importance on it.:thumbsup2

I can see many of the points you are making, but I also think that you implied alot of things that I was not implying. First of all there are ALWAYS exceptions. You don't have to go to college but usually when you don't go to college you don't get that great of a job, this isn't always true, but in most cases a higher education will land you a better job. And as I said before there is ALWAYS the exception of for instance Bill Gates being a multi-milionaire. Yet if your sitting in an office waiting to apply for a job such as I dont know... a stock broker, most likely the guy with the college degree is going to get it over the guy with the high school degree.

When I said good colleges I should have said ALL colleges, because ALL college standards are raising. Over here at UNLV you have to have a 3.2 gpa or higher now, and it used to be a 3.0 or lower I believe. I am not saying that you should want to go to a college for the name, I myself plan on going to UNLV, even though people around me all the time tell me I should go to Yale or Standford or Pepperdine, and that I am cutting myself short. I am not cutting myself short UNLV will provide me with the same education I would be recieving anywhere else. And if for some reason I was to pick a career in which UNLV can not give me the opportunity to learn then maybe I would pick a different college. My point is, I was trying to say that college standards are rasing and that with B's and C's you aren't going to get into the colleges of your choosing.

Alright so I was telling you what MY personal goals are, maybe I don't know what her personal goals are but shouldn't all goals be set high? So your personal goals are to be a good father, a good friend, a good relative, and to get the job of your dreams. Alright those are great goals and I think we all have those goals and life. Maybe your not going to learn those IN school, but you can definately learn alot of that along the way. My parents didn't have parents to support them through college they paid there way through, while they had me to take care of. Why were they going to college? Because my father too wanted to be a good father and wanted to be able to take care of me, and have the job of his dreams. My mother and father have done those things. They have succeeded at there goals.

If you aren't going to college I hope that you know exactly what you want to do with life, because there are all to many people in the world with only a high school degree. And frankly how many jobs are out there for people with only a high school degree? Unless you are looking to work someplace average. I can tell by your writing style, by the way you express your views that you are much more then average. " You can be average, sure.. nobody will know but you." I guess we learn in band that being average is nothing special we need to " Beat GV" We need to beat our last score and we need to beat the odds, and do our very best to succeed. You think your opinions are right and I think my opinions are right, but honestly maybe we are both right. I have no idea what I want to do with my life, all i know is that I want to be validictorian, I want to be drum major for the next two years in band, and I want to go to college. Those are my goals right now and I plan on doing whatever it takes to reach my personal goals. And if your personal goals are to pass up college to find the job of your dreams and to get ahead on the goals of being a good person, then I wish you luck.

~Shannie

Sorry if there is bad grammar ect. I will edit it tomorrow, I have tons of homework to get too.. eww ap testing.
 
Well, Jaimie's right.

Parents, well, they are doing it for your own good.
 
I can see many of the points you are making, but I also think that you implied alot of things that I was not implying. First of all there are ALWAYS exceptions. You don't have to go to college but usually when you don't go to college you don't get that great of a job, this isn't always true, but in most cases a higher education will land you a better job. And as I said before there is ALWAYS the exception of for instance Bill Gates being a multi-milionaire. Yet if your sitting in an office waiting to apply for a job such as I dont know... a stock broker, most likely the guy with the college degree is going to get it over the guy with the high school degree.
And who says they want that great job? I mean seriously, how many of us are going to become stock brokers? What if they just want to do something that won't annoy them to death, and they can get by on it? Heck one of my two choises right now is Radio, and you certainly don't go into that for hte money, and quite honestly, a college education really doesn't factor in. People in that field just don't care if you went to _______ as opposed to ______.

When I said good colleges I should have said ALL colleges, because ALL college standards are raising. Over here at UNLV you have to have a 3.2 gpa or higher now, and it used to be a 3.0 or lower I believe. I am not saying that you should want to go to a college for the name, I myself plan on going to UNLV, even though people around me all the time tell me I should go to Yale or Standford or Pepperdine, and that I am cutting myself short. I am not cutting myself short UNLV will provide me with the same education I would be recieving anywhere else. And if for some reason I was to pick a career in which UNLV can not give me the opportunity to learn then maybe I would pick a different college. My point is, I was trying to say that college standards are rasing and that with B's and C's you aren't going to get into the colleges of your choosing.
Thanks for clarifying that up. I was confused.:upsidedow

Alright so I was telling you what MY personal goals are, maybe I don't know what her personal goals are but shouldn't all goals be set high? So your personal goals are to be a good father, a good friend, a good relative, and to get the job of your dreams. Alright those are great goals and I think we all have those goals and life. Maybe your not going to learn those IN school, but you can definately learn alot of that along the way. My parents didn't have parents to support them through college they paid there way through, while they had me to take care of. Why were they going to college? Because my father too wanted to be a good father and wanted to be able to take care of me, and have the job of his dreams. My mother and father have done those things. They have succeeded at there goals.
Good for them. Tell them I said congratulations.

If you aren't going to college I hope that you know exactly what you want to do with life, because there are all to many people in the world with only a high school degree. And frankly how many jobs are out there for people with only a high school degree? Unless you are looking to work someplace average. I can tell by your writing style, by the way you express your views that you are much more then average. " You can be average, sure.. nobody will know but you." I guess we learn in band that being average is nothing special we need to " Beat GV" We need to beat our last score and we need to beat the odds, and do our very best to succeed. You think your opinions are right and I think my opinions are right, but honestly maybe we are both right. I have no idea what I want to do with my life, all i know is that I want to be validictorian, I want to be drum major for the next two years in band, and I want to go to college. Those are my goals right now and I plan on doing whatever it takes to reach my personal goals. And if your personal goals are to pass up college to find the job of your dreams and to get ahead on the goals of being a good person, then I wish you luck.
I just think it's wrong that people are putting so much emphasis on your career and what you do for a living. People really shouldn't be judged either by their peirs or by themselves by what they've done in the workplace.
 
Yes, and how to do you characterize a "good job". By the amount of money you make? Because a social worker doesn't make much money, but I think it's a very rewarding job.

And if a good job is something that you enjoy, who are you to tell them that they need a college degree for it.

There are TONS, and I mean TONS of jobs a person with a high school degree or lower can do. They might not make much money, but hey it's job.

Which brings us back to society's importance to money and education.
 
Parents do what they think is best for us, and that is the choice they made, whether you like it or not. WDW isn't going anywhere.
 
Parents do what they think is best for us, and that is the choice they made, whether you like it or not. WDW isn't going anywhere.

Actually it's zooming through the universe at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour.:rolleyes:
 

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