Is this math problem 3rd grade appropriate?

Okay, that was just mean rather than funny.:confused3 Personally, I don't think "please excuse my dumb algebra students" is mean. I think it's funny. I once was and still am a dumb algebra student and can laugh at the fact that knowing I am helps me remember the order of operations. My kids thought it was funny too. Both a great in math.

I was joking that a parent would sue because I think most would think it was cute and ironic to use that phrase as a mnemonic.

I was in HS and most of the kids thought it was funny, but the things that they could get away with then compared to now. He was one of the football coaches who also taught Science so I think he was just trying to be cool.
 
Parents are the child's first, last and most important teacher. Schools can not meet all students needs and this is where parents come into play. Parents can either hire a tutor, do extra work on weekends or whenever they have time with their child.

Basically, if it is important to a parent they will find the time. I have had to do this with my own kids when I worked 6 am to 7 pm Monday-Friday. My DH traveled for his job and was never home except 5 days a month. So it can be done.

It doesn't have to be work. A parent can be creative and make it fun. We invented card games, board games, my kids became the teacher and taught me, we had math races, invented math songs and had a contest ....


Can you make learning fun? Absolutely. Can you make CC math fun -- don't see how, in that a lot of what parents and kids are complaining about is the inanity of the process....show your 10 steps for a problem you get it two.
 
You're right it does. It says that I paid into that powerful union so I know exactly how it works. While great first year untenured teachers are let go, oldies but not goodies get to stay because they are tenured(and I was never let go so I am not speaking of this happening to me, but it does happen all the time). You cannot easily get rid of the teacher who no longer cares due to being burned out. As long as they show up daily sober the sub par teacher can continue to educate your children. I know that a teacher who has earned tenure will not be fired because they take a lesson and teach it at a way that is best for the kids in their class as long as they are still meeting the state/national standards. So if the teachers really have so many kids not getting what they are teaching in these districts why are they not reworking the lessons???

I actually don't presume to know much about other districts, but the overwhelming posts on this board talking about schools implementing very reasonable standards in ways that make no sense have enlightened me to how districts take the easy way out by purchasing a curriculum in a box to implement.
Some complete with teacher scripts. They do not sit down together rewriting the curriculum that fits the needs of their students best while working with teachers and parents. So I do agree with you 100% on the fact that there are lots of lazy administrators out there.

It looks like some of this in NY has come in a reaction to bombing the tests so badly. Turns out, the teachers weren't teaching what the NATIONAL CC tests were testing, so they felt compelled to switch to the "teacher in a box" curriculums to try and fend off another round of test result disasters.

CC fans (and I was one before I experienced it) keep saying the standards are not the curriculum nor the testing. But if kids keep bombing the tests, if parents keep turning out in the thousands at school boards to complain, then CC will be an embarrassing dodo bird in the educational landscape already strewn with New Math, Everyday Math, etc. etc.
 
It looks like some of this in NY has come in a reaction to bombing the tests so badly. Turns out, the teachers weren't teaching what the NATIONAL CC tests were testing, so they felt compelled to switch to the "teacher in a box" curriculums to try and fend off another round of test result disasters.

CC fans (and I was one before I experienced it) keep saying the standards are not the curriculum nor the testing. But if kids keep bombing the tests, if parents keep turning out in the thousands at school boards to complain, then CC will be an embarrassing dodo bird in the educational landscape already strewn with New Math, Everyday Math, etc. etc.
Your second paragraph I think is at the root of the problem. Students are "bombing" the tests, so the tests must be too hard and it's unrealistic for the students to pass them. Thanks to FB, blogs, and other social media, parents across the country are accepting "the tests are the problem" and not looking at other reasons (mainly implementation and the many ways that can be messed up). It's possible in the long run CC will prove to be successful, but what worries me is the critics will kill it because of the short term results.

From what I've read here and researched because of these threads, I fully believe CC showcases teacher/administrator/district faults. But instead of working to solve those problems, too many people want to "kill" CC. However, no matter what standards get put in place, because of the current faults, THOSE will "fail" also. What I'm afraid of is we're going to "dumb down" (and I'm not saying ANYONE is 'dumb') things to make people feel better because "everyone passes", but we're going to raise more and more kids who won't be able to "compete" on the world stage.

I know I'm not expressing myself well, but I don't know how else to say this. Maybe I needed CC standards. :lmao:
 

You're right it does. It says that I paid into that powerful union so I know exactly how it works. While great first year untenured teachers are let go, oldies but not goodies get to stay because they are tenured(and I was never let go so I am not speaking of this happening to me, but it does happen all the time). You cannot easily get rid of the teacher who no longer cares due to being burned out. As long as they show up daily sober the sub par teacher can continue to educate your children. I know that a teacher who has earned tenure will not be fired because they take a lesson and teach it at a way that is best for the kids in their class as long as they are still meeting the state/national standards. So if the teachers really have so many kids not getting what they are teaching in these districts why are they not reworking the lessons???

I actually don't presume to know much about other districts, but the overwhelming posts on this board talking about schools implementing very reasonable standards in ways that make no sense have enlightened me to how districts take the easy way out by purchasing a curriculum in a box to implement. Some complete with teacher scripts. They do not sit down together rewriting the curriculum that fits the needs of their students best while working with teachers and parents. So I do agree with you 100% on the fact that there are lots of lazy administrators out there.

Here's what would happen in my middle class district - budgets need to be cut, so we'll go after the highest paid teachers even if they are incredible teachers. DH's school system even started letting go of teachers right as they were about to get tenure, regardless of ability. There are plenty of people out there (the privateers pushing CC especially) that would love a quick turnover of lower paid teachers. Can unions be lightened up? Sure. But I get why tenure exists and it's unfortunate that people have spun that word into meaning "lifetime job". I would ask what exactly your administrator is doing about some of the lousy teachers in your district.
 
Your second paragraph I think is at the root of the problem. Students are "bombing" the tests, so the tests must be too hard and it's unrealistic for the students to pass them. Thanks to FB, blogs, and other social media, parents across the country are accepting "the tests are the problem" and not looking at other reasons (mainly implementation and the many ways that can be messed up). It's possible in the long run CC will prove to be successful, but what worries me is the critics will kill it because of the short term results.

From what I've read here and researched because of these threads, I fully believe CC showcases teacher/administrator/district faults. But instead of working to solve those problems, too many people want to "kill" CC. However, no matter what standards get put in place, because of the current faults, THOSE will "fail" also. What I'm afraid of is we're going to "dumb down" (and I'm not saying ANYONE is 'dumb') things to make people feel better because "everyone passes", but we're going to raise more and more kids who won't be able to "compete" on the world stage.

I know I'm not expressing myself well, but I don't know how else to say this. Maybe I needed CC standards. :lmao:

My take is that NCLB dumbed down the standards already and now CC is coming in with standards that may be okay but have no organization or sense of building up. The kids being forced to transition are suffering.
 
There certainly is a disparity in knowledge/testing across the country. Just look into how National Merit Scholars are picked. (hint: it's not national) Some kind of common standard has to be set, otherwise, a diploma from Doohicky, Overthere has nothing in common with one from Winkleville, Overhere.
 
It looks like some of this in NY has come in a reaction to bombing the tests so badly. Turns out, the teachers weren't teaching what the NATIONAL CC tests were testing, so they felt compelled to switch to the "teacher in a box" curriculums to try and fend off another round of test result disasters. CC fans (and I was one before I experienced it) keep saying the standards are not the curriculum nor the testing. But if kids keep bombing the tests, if parents keep turning out in the thousands at school boards to complain, then CC will be an embarrassing dodo bird in the educational landscape already strewn with New Math, Everyday Math, etc. etc.
I really hope that doesn't happen. I like the new CC standards. I like that complexity and abstractedness of it. It's too bad people are responding this way. I don't want my sons work to be simple and straightforward. I want it to be challenging and for him to prepare him for college. I felt inadequately prepared. I don't think our kids are keeping up academically with some other countries. I went to college with many students from other countries and saw this first hand. I know my answer will be unpopular. People seem intimidated by CC and seem to be refusing to understand it and try to help their kids with it. Its new. Teachers will learn how to teach it. People need to give it more time.
 
My take is that NCLB dumbed down the standards already and now CC is coming in with standards that may be okay but have no organization or sense of building up. The kids being forced to transition are suffering.
I don't disagree with the bolded. But, do you for a moment believe there would be something to transition to where NO kid "suffers"?

So, if NCLB doesn't work, you have two options...
1) Continue NCLB, but why would you if it doesn't work
2) Transition to SOMETHING, but knowing that transition will be troublesome for some kids.

While not a direct comparison, I just thought of this... I'm responsible for installing new systems (hardware/software/procedures) at work. Sometimes we change things because the "old" was failing, sometimes because the "new" gives us better results. About 95% of the time there are problems with the new system when we put it online. Some of the problems are a problem with the system, some are because of how we implemented the system. Invariably, someone comes along and says "We need to go back to the old system!" However, we fight & fix the problems (or at least minimize the problems) and before long, the "new" system becomes the "old" system and people start to realize how well it works.
 
There certainly is a disparity in knowledge/testing across the country. Just look into how National Merit Scholars are picked. (hint: it's not national) Some kind of common standard has to be set, otherwise, a diploma from Doohicky, Overthere has nothing in common with one from Winkleville, Overhere.

For anyone interested: (Source: fairtest.org)
Due to National Merit’s geographic balancing policy, minimum test score requirements for scholarship eligibility differ widely across the country. For the class of 2014, scholarship eligibility minimums range from 224 in Massachusetts and New Jersey to 203 in West Virginia and Wyoming on the qualifying exam’s 60 to 240-point scale.

NMSQT/PSAT Qualifying Scores for High School
Class of 2014 National Merit Semifinalists
Alabama 211 Nevada 212
Alaska 212 New Hampshire 214
Arizona 214 New Jersey 224
Arkansas 205 New Mexico 210
California 223 New York 219
Colorado 215 North Carolina 215
Connecticut 221 North Dakota 204
Delaware 218 Ohio 215
Dist. of Columbia 224 Oklahoma 210
Florida 214 Oregon 218
Georgia 217 Pennsylvania 217
Hawaii 215 Rhode Island 216
Idaho 211 South Carolina 210
Illinois 216 South Dakota 206
Indiana 215 Tennessee 212
Iowa 210 Texas 219
Kansas 216 Utah 208
Kentucky 211 Vermont 217
Louisiana 209 Virginia 222
Maine 215 Washington 220
Maryland 223 West Virginia 203
Massachusetts 224 Wisconsin 210
Michigan 210 Wyoming 203
Minnesota 215
Mississippi 207 U.S. Territories 203
Missouri 213 Outside U.S. 224
Montana 207 Boarding Schools 217-224
Nebraska 209 (depending on regio
 
I really hope that doesn't happen. I like the new CC standards. I like that complexity and abstractedness of it. It's too bad people are responding this way. I don't want my sons work to be simple and straightforward. I want it to be challenging and for him to prepare him for college. I felt inadequately prepared. I don't think our kids are keeping up academically with some other countries. I went to college with many students from other countries and saw this first hand. I know my answer will be unpopular. People seem intimidated by CC and seem to be refusing to understand it and try to help their kids with it. Its new. Teachers will learn how to teach it. People need to give it more time.

I think we normally do (or did) a decent job at one time. There was a study years ago regarding Asian students that basically said while they were brilliant at math, there was little innovation. We didn't have that problem here. Personally, the testing culture is what will (and has) lead us to no longer thinking abstractly. Having said that, I think for so many kids - you do need to start simple and straightforward before you start with the abstract. I can't say I'm huge on incorporating literacy into everything including things as straightforward as math and as austere as science…especially when you are developing the basics.

As for keeping up academically with other countries…the idea that we aren't drives me crazy. Other countries don't test all of their students and some don't even educate all of their students. Most important, other countries don't push for all students to go on a college tract and they don't expect severe special needs and ELLs to take those same tests. If you factor out the test scores of impoverished school systems, the US actually leads in most educational categories.

As for giving it more time…I doubt it. It will likely be gone in a few years when the edupeneurs move onto something else. Maybe then they'll let the teachers lead the way, but I doubt it.

I don't disagree with the bolded. But, do you for a moment believe there would be something to transition to where NO kid "suffers"?

So, if NCLB doesn't work, you have two options...
1) Continue NCLB, but why would you if it doesn't work
2) Transition to SOMETHING, but knowing that transition will be troublesome for some kids.

While not a direct comparison, I just thought of this... I'm responsible for installing new systems (hardware/software/procedures) at work. Sometimes we change things because the "old" was failing, sometimes because the "new" gives us better results. About 95% of the time there are problems with the new system when we put it online. Some of the problems are a problem with the system, some are because of how we implemented the system. Invariably, someone comes along and says "We need to go back to the old system!" However, we fight & fix the problems (or at least minimize the problems) and before long, the "new" system becomes the "old" system and people start to realize how well it works.

The problem with NCLB is that schools that weren't failing were being punished. This entire testing craze was made to look like schools were failing and it didn't so lobbyists started pushing mandates that would start killing school progress. By NCLB's standards, several of the wealthy districts in this area that offer to die for educations were failing. Some failed because they were two points lower than last year (even though they were still above average), somehow participation was a factor (so if a kid didn't show up to school, it was the school's fault) and low functioning special ed kids were expected to have the same scores as high IQ students.


Do I think there would be a system where no kid suffers? Probably not. But kids who normally were not in the suffering category now are.
 
For anyone interested: (Source: fairtest.org)
Due to National Merits geographic balancing policy, minimum test score requirements for scholarship eligibility differ widely across the country. For the class of 2014, scholarship eligibility minimums range from 224 in Massachusetts and New Jersey to 203 in West Virginia and Wyoming on the qualifying exams 60 to 240-point scale.

NMSQT/PSAT Qualifying Scores for High School
Class of 2014 National Merit Semifinalists
Alabama 211 Nevada 212
Alaska 212 New Hampshire 214
Arizona 214 New Jersey 224
Arkansas 205 New Mexico 210
California 223 New York 219
Colorado 215 North Carolina 215
Connecticut 221 North Dakota 204
Delaware 218 Ohio 215
Dist. of Columbia 224 Oklahoma 210
Florida 214 Oregon 218
Georgia 217 Pennsylvania 217
Hawaii 215 Rhode Island 216
Idaho 211 South Carolina 210
Illinois 216 South Dakota 206
Indiana 215 Tennessee 212
Iowa 210 Texas 219
Kansas 216 Utah 208
Kentucky 211 Vermont 217
Louisiana 209 Virginia 222
Maine 215 Washington 220
Maryland 223 West Virginia 203
Massachusetts 224 Wisconsin 210
Michigan 210 Wyoming 203
Minnesota 215
Mississippi 207 U.S. Territories 203
Missouri 213 Outside U.S. 224
Montana 207 Boarding Schools 217-224
Nebraska 209 (depending on regio

Don't you think maybe that's because MA may have far more kids scoring in the same range as Wyoming would? Either for reasons of population size, percentage of educated parents, etc.?
 
My take is that NCLB dumbed down the standards already and now CC is coming in with standards that may be okay but have no organization or sense of building up. The kids being forced to transition are suffering.

It sounds like your son's school has handled the transition very badly. Frankly, this year's 3rd graders should be some of the best supported for the transition because K-2nd grade aren't testing years under NCLB. The standards were released at the beginning of your son's Kindergarten year. Schools, school districts, and states that have handled the transition well made changes for this age group starting in first, so that they were prepared. They had the ability to do so because under NCLB and RTTT schools aren't held so tightly to standards for K-2. If it feels like an abrupt transition for a 3rd grader, then that's really problematic.

The other thing I wonder, is whether some of what you're seeing with your son has to do with the ways that specific characteristics of your child, mesh with the demands of 3rd grade.

I work with parents with challenging kids, and I often remind parents that every kid has weaknesses, and when your child who struggles harder than most with something, gets to an age when all kids struggle with something, it's likely going to be a rough phase. If you have a girl who tends to be moody and defiant, 3 is going to be rough, middle school is going to be hell, and you should be prepared for the stress of their senior year in high school. If you have a boy who struggles with impulse control, and sitting still, his twos might be terrible, you should expect some negative feedback from his K and 1st grade teachers, and prepare to need to hold him close and give him a lot of support when his body is flooded with testosterone from his teenage growth spurt.

You mentioned upthread that your child seems to struggle with fluency. You said something along the lines of he can do it, but it takes a little more time. If that's a stable characterstic of his 3rd grade is likely to be a tough year, because the 3rd grade curriculum, before CC, and with CC, places a lot of emphasis on fluency. Kids are expected to learn all their multiplication and division facts (in contrast the addition and subtraction facts are spread out over 3 years in K-2). They're expected to do a lot of mental computation. They're also expected to work with tasks that require them to use the four basic operations in the context of a multistep task (e.g. finding elapsed time, or the area of an irregular shape, or comparing frations). Kids who seemed to be keeping up, but took a little more time, can suddenly feel swamped, because while they can do each step, the steps aren't efficient enough for them to be able to hold on to them while also looking ahead to the next step and remembering the number from the step before.

The good news is that he's growing and developing, and if you and the school support him well he'll catch up. The demands of 4th grade math are very different from the demands of 3rd grade math. The pace slows down again to allow kids to delve deep into new concepts, like decimals and angles, and for your kid this might well be easier. Plus he'll be growing and maturing and when demands are placed on his fluency, he'll be more ready to manage them.

Good luck.
 
Don't you think maybe that's because MA may have far more kids scoring in the same range as Wyoming would? Either for reasons of population size, percentage of educated parents, etc.?

Population size shouldn't be a factor because it's based on a percent. The education of parents, and the quality of the schools both play a role. Of course those two things often go hand in hand, because more educated parents demand higher standards and better teaching, and usually are able to pay more taxes to fund their schools better.
 
Parents are the child's first, last and most important teacher. Schools can not meet all students needs and this is where parents come into play. Parents can either hire a tutor, do extra work on weekends or whenever they have time with their child.

Basically, if it is important to a parent they will find the time. I have had to do this with my own kids when I worked 6 am to 7 pm Monday-Friday. My DH traveled for his job and was never home except 5 days a month. So it can be done.

It doesn't have to be work. A parent can be creative and make it fun. We invented card games, board games, my kids became the teacher and taught me, we had math races, invented math songs and had a contest ....

So you're okay with consigning kids whose parents can't or won't provide that level of support to failure because the school is only providing a partial education based on a high level of out-of-school teaching and enrichment?

And as far as "it doesn't have to be work", maybe that is true for some. It wasn't true for my son. He was so stressed out, burnt out, and irritable after a day of learning little more than how stupid/incapable he was that no effort to dress up more schoolwork as "fun" worked. We've tried every "make it a game" approach that I could think up/find, hired tutors who told us not to waste our money because he'd just out-stubborn anyone trying to teach him, and basically tried everything that anyone could suggest and it was all the same - hours of battling after school on top of hours of struggles at school. I hate seeing that expand to even more children and even more subjects.
 
So you're okay with consigning kids whose parents can't or won't provide that level of support to failure because the school is only providing a partial education based on a high level of out-of-school teaching and enrichment? And as far as "it doesn't have to be work", maybe that is true for some. It wasn't true for my son. He was so stressed out, burnt out, and irritable after a day of learning little more than how stupid/incapable he was that no effort to dress up more schoolwork as "fun" worked. We've tried every "make it a game" approach that I could think up/find, hired tutors who told us not to waste our money because he'd just out-stubborn anyone trying to teach him, and basically tried everything that anyone could suggest and it was all the same - hours of battling after school on top of hours of struggles at school. I hate seeing that expand to even more children and even more subjects.
Working with my son is neither fun or easy but it has to be done. I have to do a great deal of behavior management which includes rewards charts, etc.
 
It sounds like your son's school has handled the transition very badly. Frankly, this year's 3rd graders should be some of the best supported for the transition because K-2nd grade aren't testing years under NCLB. The standards were released at the beginning of your son's Kindergarten year. Schools, school districts, and states that have handled the transition well made changes for this age group starting in first, so that they were prepared. They had the ability to do so because under NCLB and RTTT schools aren't held so tightly to standards for K-2. If it feels like an abrupt transition for a 3rd grader, then that's really problematic.

The other thing I wonder, is whether some of what you're seeing with your son has to do with the ways that specific characteristics of your child, mesh with the demands of 3rd grade.

I work with parents with challenging kids, and I often remind parents that every kid has weaknesses, and when your child who struggles harder than most with something, gets to an age when all kids struggle with something, it's likely going to be a rough phase. If you have a girl who tends to be moody and defiant, 3 is going to be rough, middle school is going to be hell, and you should be prepared for the stress of their senior year in high school. If you have a boy who struggles with impulse control, and sitting still, his twos might be terrible, you should expect some negative feedback from his K and 1st grade teachers, and prepare to need to hold him close and give him a lot of support when his body is flooded with testosterone from his teenage growth spurt.

You mentioned upthread that your child seems to struggle with fluency. You said something along the lines of he can do it, but it takes a little more time. If that's a stable characterstic of his 3rd grade is likely to be a tough year, because the 3rd grade curriculum, before CC, and with CC, places a lot of emphasis on fluency. Kids are expected to learn all their multiplication and division facts (in contrast the addition and subtraction facts are spread out over 3 years in K-2). They're expected to do a lot of mental computation. They're also expected to work with tasks that require them to use the four basic operations in the context of a multistep task (e.g. finding elapsed time, or the area of an irregular shape, or comparing frations). Kids who seemed to be keeping up, but took a little more time, can suddenly feel swamped, because while they can do each step, the steps aren't efficient enough for them to be able to hold on to them while also looking ahead to the next step and remembering the number from the step before.

The good news is that he's growing and developing, and if you and the school support him well he'll catch up. The demands of 4th grade math are very different from the demands of 3rd grade math. The pace slows down again to allow kids to delve deep into new concepts, like decimals and angles, and for your kid this might well be easier. Plus he'll be growing and maturing and when demands are placed on his fluency, he'll be more ready to manage them.

Good luck.

I am hoping it's a phase. He has never had issues in school. I've been told he is right where he should be all along. Our district did finally get rid of an absolutely awful, data driven, curriculum coordinator whose only accomplishment was taking report cards from typical A-F to 1-4 with three being exceeding expectations and four being…well no one knows because the teachers were told to not hand them out that often. The standards may have have been released then, but the ever changing demands on the teachers were replaced a few times. Teachers were out of the classrooms for the first few weeks doing testing (AIMs is what they used then). It was to the point that a veteran teacher with an amazing reputation practically cried "It's the end of October and I still don't know my kids". I could go way off on that.

Even when he was doing "well", I didn't think they were doing what needed to be done in order to prep them for the middle-to-end of third grade (when multiplication starts here). Honestly, I believe subtraction with borrowing and addition with regrouping are not quick two day lessons. While he is struggling with the math, he is flourishing with reading…at least at school. When he gets home, he just wants to play. From what he told me, it sounds like he is being immediately turned off - probably out of fear/shame of not getting it immediately - and he's prone to just avoiding it by drifting off, sharpening his pencil, asking to go to the bathroom. I talked to him about not giving up, taking his time, not being intimidated by kids who finish quickly, etc. Plus, just the need to work through this as a life skill. I might have gone too deep with him in this conversation, but I'm not perfect. ;)

We have conferences next week, we began the Xtramath that his teacher recommended, and intervention should start soon. Here's hoping it all works out in the end. He's always been a curious learner and I don't want him to lose his ability to learn.

Thank you for your input/information. It's good to know what's ahead and that we can get over the hurdle. :)
 
I really hope that doesn't happen. I like the new CC standards. I like that complexity and abstractedness of it. It's too bad people are responding this way. I don't want my sons work to be simple and straightforward. I want it to be challenging and for him to prepare him for college. I felt inadequately prepared. I don't think our kids are keeping up academically with some other countries. I went to college with many students from other countries and saw this first hand. I know my answer will be unpopular. People seem intimidated by CC and seem to be refusing to understand it and try to help their kids with it. Its new. Teachers will learn how to teach it. People need to give it more time.

I completely agree. Our school has used common core for 3 years and I love it for both my 4th grader and 2nd grader. My 2nd grader has similar word problems to the one in the OP and I love that he not only has to think but also write his answer in a complete sentence. Never heard of kids not being able to "show their work", in fact all of my son's homework and tests require he show his work so the teacher can see his line of thinking. Exceptions being things like times tests of mental math. I grade tests in his math class (and 2nd grade here has 4 math classes based on ability) so I know his class is doing timed tests on adding doubles under 10, doubles plus 1, combos to 10, magic 9s, etc (again, geared toward individual kids within his math class of 20 kids, they have to get 95/99 on a timed test to move up to the next test).

My 4th grader was in regular 3rd grade math last year, did a lot of rounding and estimating (which I think is a good thing, I mean, in a grocery store or whatever, we round in life). She did so well in 3rd grade that this year she skipped 4th grade math entirely, based on the placement tests, and is now in a 5th grade math class. She isn't a gifted kid or genius or anything, but the 3rd grade curriculum really worked for her and she advanced dramatically.

And as for the OP, I think that it completely appropriate for 3rd grade, as well as the other examples. Nothing seems remotely out of line.
 
So you're okay with consigning kids whose parents can't or won't provide that level of support to failure because the school is only providing a partial education based on a high level of out-of-school teaching and enrichment?

And as far as "it doesn't have to be work", maybe that is true for some. It wasn't true for my son. He was so stressed out, burnt out, and irritable after a day of learning little more than how stupid/incapable he was that no effort to dress up more schoolwork as "fun" worked. We've tried every "make it a game" approach that I could think up/find, hired tutors who told us not to waste our money because he'd just out-stubborn anyone trying to teach him, and basically tried everything that anyone could suggest and it was all the same - hours of battling after school on top of hours of struggles at school. I hate seeing that expand to even more children and even more subjects.

I'm saying schools can't be everything for a child. They just can't and this is where parents step in. If a child that doesn't have a parent that will step in, hopefully, someone would intervene. This is actually a good topic for a different thread.

Another way to handle a child struggling is to do a 504 plan and dictate the needs of a child. You could state that the teacher would give you the math concepts for the following week on Friday so you could go over it during the weekend. You could hold your child back a year. Look for ideas that will be helpful to your child so he/she can succeed.
 
Oh, we also use that 1-4 grading system with 4s being rare, but still attainable. 3 is "meets all expectations", 4 is going beyond that. So my son's spelling tests, if he gets all standard words right he gets a 3. If he gets the 4 bonus words right he gets a 4 (1/4 point per word). My daughter, being older, doesn't really get that option, at least not every spelling test. She can, however, get a 4 in, say science by expanding on an idea. Like if their experiment is growing a plant in sun vs darkness, but she also adds another variable like watering with vitamin water vs plain, she would get a 4. Hard to achieve, but I guess that is the point.
 


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