IS this Disney legal--renting a room for the EMH?

[wen8jr]

Personally, I think if you are going to go through the trouble of renting a spot for the EMH I would go ahead and pitch a tent and leave an ice chest with drinks and snacks so that you would have a place to come to during the middle of the day if you need a rest.

That way you are actually using the spot and you get the extra perks that come with staying on site.

And just remember...you can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. You're not going to get a simple yes or no answer to whether or not this is OK. You just have to follow your instincts and do what you think is right.

I agree totally. Use the campsite to take a break. You are willing to pay for it, it is yours if you book it. What does it matter where you actually sleep? The camper next to you already has their spot and will probably be glad they have a "quiet" site next to them...I know I would. Camping can be noisy.
And lets be honest, they already have their "site", why would they be concerned about another? Don't tell me there are camper "know it alls" out there too? LOL

I also think I read somewhere you can boat, etc. at FW free of charge and they have other activities. Not sure if I'm right about that?

And I would pitch a tent...just to hold your space.

 

[safetymom]

Let's keep this on topic. Thanks.

 

[TammiMcMan]

I think it might be time to put this one to bed.

 

[wen8jr]

In my example I said the people would be staying somewhere else and have their reservation at the Yacht & Beach Club, just like the OP wants to do.

So it's similar to what the OP said.

I think that your argument does not make sense at all. You have come full circle yourself in your posts. Why would anyone be upset that someone is using or not using what they paid for in full?

If you have issues with pool hoppers or others invading the resort you choose to stay at you need to find another post as it sounds like that is what peeves you the most. It is not the same thing the OP is asking about at all and I don't really understand what you are trying to state.

You pay for a service that is yours for the duration of what you paid for. If you rent a car and drive it for 1 day out of the 5 you rented it for, does that mean someone else should have use of the car because the rental place has no more available? Absolutely not.

I just think arguing about this stuff is ridiculous. The OP is asking a question and posters should be polite in giving advice, not pointing fingers.

 

[GreatLakes5]

Since WDW does not mind guests doing what the OP wants to do, here is a hypothetical situation. Let's say a family really liked the SAB bool at the Yacht & Beach Club, however they did not like the Resort. If they got some great AP rate or something would it be ok if they made a reservation there only to use the pool, however they would be staying somewhere else. I know on paper that sounds like a stupid thing to do. Although they would be technically guests who are staying there, so it would not be considered pool hopping and they could go and change in their room. So if a family wanted to do that, would anyone else have a problem with that?

No problem here. I believe you're trying to prove something that can't be proven with this line of thinking. You have nicely proven the point of those arguing for the original poster.

This is a "legal" question, not an ethical one....ethical questions have grey answers. This is about whether or not it's "right" in the eyes of Disney.

 

[ihearttink]

I don't see a problem with this. You are paying exactly the same amount as a person who would stay on site. It's yours, you paid for it, along with any benefits attached to it.

 

[sunee]

If you pay for it, it is yours. No rule saying you have to use every benefit it offers.

 

[lordhavemercy]

....as a camper/rv'er....I say go for it. You're paying for the "rights". I agree with the idea of putting a screen tent on the site and visiting mid-day for down-time....or...not at all. Nothing dishonest about it....you'd be paying for the rights.....period....IMO

 

[WillCAD]

I don't mind if someone books a site at FW, a room at Yacht Club, or a concierge suite at Polynesian, and uses the free parking priviledges and EMH without actually staying in the room/site/suite.

As for the argument that they are "taking" a site away from someone else who might want it, I look at it this way - what if they booked the site and then actually stayed there? Or what if they booked the site and only half their party stayed there? It's all the same thing - you book a site or a room, you have the right to sleep there, or to NOT sleep there, as you see fit. It's your site, or room, for as long as you pay for it.

And if someone wants to spend all the money it takes to stay at Y&BC for a few nights, but never actually use the room, just so they can swim at SAB, hey, more power to them! I wish I had enough money to throw around like that.

 

[jmkrat]

I think if you are willing to pay for the site, you should do it. You are not asking for something for nothing. I would pitch a tent and show up sometimes tp avoid losing the reservation. I think FW has camp fires at night and movies. It might be a good break for you. You have to do what works for you and your family. Have fun! FW also has some sort of Hayride or something.

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

On the DIS, I think you're only going to get ethical answers, not "Disney Legal" ones. If you want the definitive answer, I think you're going to have to call or email Disney and ask about it. We can all only give guesses as to what they'd do, based on if they found out that you weren't staying there.

Honestly, I am not sure what Disney would say if you called/emailed, but you'd find out if it was allowed or not.

 

[goofy4tink]

IF someone pays for a room, they are entitled to any perks associated with that room. I imagine that a campsite qualifies as a room. You pay for a room at BC? You are entitled to use SAB. I don't care if you are sleeping at POP...if you have a room key to show at the pool, and it is a YC/BC room key, then you are good to go.
IF you have paid for a campsite, then you get the perks associated with said campsite.

 

[SnackyStacky]

The way for WDW to prevent this is to charge a lot more for the spaces (and that's probably going to be the result, as they'll figure out that the spaces are a hot commodity and priced way too low). So be it.

THAT'S my only problem with "ethical" questions like this one.

Personally, I wouldn't do it. It doesn't bother me in the least if someone does something that they feel requires a "Is this a problem?" thread on these boards.

My problem comes in with the fact that if Disney doesn't like something that you're doing, they're going to make it a LOT harder for everybody else by imposing new rules, regulations and restrictions.

So, my answer to the original poster is that I personally wouldn't do it, but if you clear with the hotel that you've rented the campsite but won't be occupying it (so they don't invalidate your keys and sell your spot to someone else) - more power to you.

 

[BrianD]

Don't really see how this is in any way an "ethical" debate. We're not talking about human cloning here. Perks designed for on-site guests are designed to accomodate the guests who are "staying" there. So, in the SAB example, the pool is meant to accomodate the amount of people that the resorts holds. So, if you have a room there, then you are allowed at the pool. It's not like the resort is full, they're all at the pool, and then you come along. Same thing with the campsite issue. If you book it, then you are in that group of people who are allowed to use the perks of onsite guests.

I think if I ever win the lottery, I'm going to book rooms at every resort for the same time and then go around hopping from pool to pool, and I'm not breaking any rules! And then I'll come back and start a thread on the DIS and tell everyone about it.

 

[SnackyStacky]

Don't really see how this is in any way an "ethical" debate. We're not talking about human cloning here.

An ethical debate when dealing with Disney's policies. Moral might be a better word?

 

[BrianD]

An ethical debate when dealing with Disney's policies. Moral might be a better word?

Yeah, I understand. One thing I've learned about Disney though is that as long as they are getting paid, then they don't really care.

I wouldn't do it either, but for the reason that I don't think it's worth the money or hassle. Being a Disney obsessed person, I would just prefer to give Disney all my money and actually stay onsite.

 

[SnackyStacky]

One thing I've learned about Disney though is that as long as they are getting paid, then they don't really care.

They don't care until they realize something's going on that:

a.) they're able to make MORE money on
b.) they're losing money on
c.) is causing other people to get ticked off.

That's when they step up and create rules and regulations that make it difficult for everyone. I think this is an instance of case c. Remember when Disney didn't require credit cards for Cinderella's Royal Table? And somebody just made reservations out the yin yang for other people? Those people were going to eat on Disney property, Disney was going to get their money. Disney was losing NOTHING on that. But enough people that wanted that breakfast spoke up to the point that Disney started requiring a credit card deposit and making the reservations non transferrable. An inconvenience to everyone else.

I wouldn't do it either. If I wanted to stay offsite, it's easy enough to tour without having to use extra magic hours. Or like you, I'd just as soon give Disney the money and use what I'm paying for.

 

[4eyedbuzzard]

We are strongly considering renting a home near Disney to accomodate some special needs in the family. But, we love the resort EMH access. Is there anything wrong with paying for a campsite for the 4 of us to get the resort perks, but then actually staying off campus?

My husband and I are havign an ethical debate. He says its ok because we are paying something for the access, and that it shouldnt bother Disney if we never actually use the space?

Any thoughts out there?

Jennifer

We considered doing exactly the same thing, as besides the EMH's the campsite also allows you to park for free(saves $10 day) at the themeparks, you get a discount on golf/others, and some mouseboat coupons, etc. In the end we figured we just wouldn't use the EMH's enough given the long summer hours the parks are already open.

I don't see where it's an ethical problem - you're paying for the site and perks associated with it.

 

[GreatLakes5]

Ethical & legal (& moral & philosophical & psychological....)debate aside , OP, if you ask Disney about this directly I would find it interesting to know what they say....

I'm wondering more because it's a campsite if they will count you as "checked in" as long as you show up the morning of your resv. and plunk down your actual credit card or if they really will look at your empty site and assume you are not "checked in". My $ is on if you show up that morning with a cc you are all set. We actually do camp at FW in the winter and use a resort in the summer/early fall. As long as the site or room is paid for it would seem you have held up your end of the bargain.

Gee, I wonder if you could sublet your camping site?

 

[SnackyStacky]

I don't see where it's an ethical problem - you're paying for the site and perks associated with it.

If you have to come to an internet message board to ask if it's okay - chances are it's not really a cut and dry issue. And not everyone sees things the way you do - that's why there's quote a few folks who seem to have a problem with it.

Me personally? Do what you have to do. I honestly don't care one way or the other.