Is this cutting the line or what!?

[LBelle]

OH MY GOD!!!!!

People, I can hardly believe that ANYONE visiting WDW would actually allow some of these TRIVIAL things to bother you!!! Yes, I agree that the 1 person in line/8 people join in at the last minute scenario can be INFURIATING, but we all know that some people have no class, and that's not about to change, just pity them for their glaring lack of social skills and get over it because once they HAVE already done their line butting thing, there is little you can do about it anyways! I would LOVE to confront these boors but, I have NO DESIRE to subject myself, my family and the other guests around us to the verbal assault that will surely transpire from the 'offending party' - just look at the type you're dealing with!!

There are soooo many other annoying things - don't even get me started on elec. scooters!!! - but we don't let them ruin OUR DISNEY!!! I guess my (rambling) point is this:

I come to WDW in order to escape from the 'things' that can drive you crazy back in the real world...I want to BELIEVE in this fantasy for the brief times in my life that enable me to do just that!!! As far as I'm concerned, there is NOTHING 'bad' in WDW!!!

 

[kimberh]

Some of you over analize things. Just go and enjoy the park!!! Where is the Magic, at the front gate or counting the people in the line?

 

[bluejasmine]

I dont see anything wrong with it.. Isnt this was the unofficial guide calls the chuck bubba relay? lol

 

[abeyst]

Well, then we must be real rebels, because I've occasionally even gotten in line without my entire family, and had the rest join me later. Or my dh has gotten in line while I take the kiddos for a bathroom break/diaper change. Or I've gotten in line with the kids while dh goes to get a snack/beverage for the rest of us.

Seriously, I don't see Disney kiboshing the "Chuck Bubba Relay," or even stopping people from letting one parent wait in a line while the other entertains the toddler(s) somewhere else, then hands the child(ren) off at the last minute. As long as we're talking a couple of small kids and not the entire high school football team, I don't see what the big deal is. If it saves everyone else from having to wait in line with squirming, screaming kids, doesn't it greatly increase everyone's enjoyment of the park?

COMPLETELY AGREE!!!! What kind of message is this sending kids? All adults are horses behinds because they won't wait a few extra minutes for a young child to have the time of their life?

Can we PLEASE talk about more important issues? Cause I do it, too (the line cutting/child swapping, or maybe I should call it Committing a Felony), and I'll continue to do it. Once kids are old enough and I'm an elderly, I'll have them wait in line for me! Oh, and when they need to push me in a wheel chair they'll ALL be taking cuts with me!!

Now please, let's move on. This issue's been debated into the ground, right along with pool hopping.

 

[corrinna]

I think this is definately cutting............AND then there was a post about a lady who got in a line and then along came all of her kids to get in line after the fact.......ooooo that IS cutting and I am one of those people who get a little upset about it. It seems to happen on every ride too. One person gets in line then all of sudden 5-10 minutes later here comes the other 5-6 members of the family. If you can't all get in lline at the same time you need to wait until your entire party is there. What does this teach your kids????

 

[Lisa_Belle]

Poor Bubba. He's too short to enjoy Space Mountain, Everest and Primevil Whirl. And now some people want to deprive him of a second Dumbo ride. Leave the kid alone and let him enjoy what he can.

 

[Cmbar]

I think this is definately cutting............AND then there was a post about a lady who got in a line and then along came all of her kids to get in line after the fact.......ooooo that IS cutting and I am one of those people who get a little upset about it. It seems to happen on every ride too. One person gets in line then all of sudden 5-10 minutes later here comes the other 5-6 members of the family. If you can't all get in lline at the same time you need to wait until your entire party is there. What does this teach your kids????[/QUOTE]
Let me think about that......

1) The OP question was about the child swap from one parent waiting in line way behind the second parent.

Lesson Learned: Mom loves her Toddler enough to stand in line with a bunch of strangers who will probably gawk at her when Hubby "chucks" the baby back to her after she has waited in line and not added a single ounce of wait time longer to another "perfect, follow the rules, went to the potty already individual"


2) Allowing more than two people join your family after you have been in line is probably pushing the limit of what is proper.

Lesson Learned: There is a reasonable amount of tolerance most people can take. Bringing an entire family while one waits in line to join them is too far, letting a sibling in the line with a toddler that had to go "wee" (I love that!) is pretty much ok.


3) Not letting someone leave the line they have been waiting in and go to the potty or change the kids diapers and allowing them back in line.

Lesson Learned: I'd be teaching them to be an "a$#" and to have no compassion. I am sorry but there is NO WAY I could look at a mom who has to jump out of line with a child who needs care and say "tough luck toots, you lost your space in line, should have thought of that before you stepped up to the line"

But those are just the thoughts I have about what I am teaching my children in these scenarios.

 

[Yacht Club Family]

I think this is definately cutting............AND then there was a post about a lady who got in a line and then along came all of her kids to get in line after the fact.......ooooo that IS cutting and I am one of those people who get a little upset about it. It seems to happen on every ride too. One person gets in line then all of sudden 5-10 minutes later here comes the other 5-6 members of the family. If you can't all get in lline at the same time you need to wait until your entire party is there. What does this teach your kids????

I think it is teaching a toddler to enjoy the ride.

As for some of the other comments...there are altogether too many uptight people at Disney World. It's a theme park...you know, relax, have fun, enjoy the entertainment, smile at someone, let someone ahead of you for a change instead of racing for the door or turnstile first...you know, weird stuff like that. I'll require consideration and politeness from my kids (for the most part ), but for 2 short weeks a year, I'm not going to sermonize my kids to death or become frantic and upset whenever anyone does anything the least out of line. Oh, and so what if one person got into line and was then joined by others? If they had all gotten in line at the same time, you'd still be just as far back in line as you ended up. People need to stop worrying that someone might get away with something or do something ahead of them. Everyone will get their turn. It all just comes across as spiteful and petty. Grow up and deal with it. I can't believe people are so upset about someone wanting to let their 2 year old ride the Dumbo ride twice in a row. So...that child might just have a magical memory??? Adults can deal with the disappointment of waiting for a toddler to ride twice, KWIM???

 

[ariel75]

definately not! i hate it when a parent will jump the whole queue when they blatently have not been in the queue but wait till there partner/friend is near the front and pushes their way all to the front. I experienced this in disneyland paris and let the woman in question know exactly what i thiught of her.

 

[misskrystal]

I think it's nice that both parents can ride with their child, rather than riding alone, or, most likely, not at all.

 

[mytwotinks]

I think it is teaching a toddler to enjoy the ride.
I can't believe people are so upset about someone wanting to let their 2 year old ride the Dumbo ride twice in a row. So...that child might just have a magical memory??? Adults can deal with the disappointment of waiting for a toddler to ride twice, KWIM???

You are missing the fact that the line is not a bunch of adults waiting to ride Dumbo. It is a line of other toddlers who have waited their turn!

 

[Brian Noble]

Our home park has a very strict line policy. From their rider safety guide:

Line jumping is not a sporting event at Cedar Point. To ensure that all guests are given a fair opportunity to enjoy a ride as quickly as possible, line jumping is not allowed at Cedar Point. Line jumping is defined as:
• cutting in front of other guests already waiting in line;
• leaving a line, then attempting to re-enter the line at that same point;
• or saving a place for someone else.
Since this includes using rest room facilities and purchasing food and drink, we suggest you make all stops before you enter the line. Line jumping, regardless of the reason, may lead to dismissal from the park. This rule is strictly enforced. No refund is given.

Since this was my first exposure to amusement park line etiquette, it is the one I personally follow. And yes, Cedar Point also has parent swaps, and yes the waiting parent can bring along one other person---who may have gotten to ride twice. I find no inherent philosophical contradiction in this, becase it is Cedar Point's park, and they make the rules, and the rules say you can't line jump, but you can parent swap.

So, at Disney, I don't personally do the chuck bubba relay, because for me it's not the right way to do things. When at a Disney park, though, I don't get too uptight about others doing this, because Disney has a more relaxed line policy, and in most cases I'm not waiting any longer. Using Dumbo as an example, if one parent waits for one chucked bubba, there are no more ride vehicles that will be occupied in front of me than there would have been before.

So: I don't chuck my own bubbas, because according to my own world view, it's wrong---if my kids want to ride something, they wait in the line like most everyone else. If someone else wants to chuck their own bubba, well, I might roll my eyes, but I won't make a scene, because it really doesn't matter to me. I have no personal need for their kids to have my ethics, and Disney doesn't seem to forbid it.

Same is true if someone needs to leave a line to go to the bathroom. I've been there done that (at a park where my 3 year old and I had to start over at the end of the line) so I don't begrudge a parent facing the reality of "I have to go. NOW."

As a meta-comment, I must be the only person in the universe that just doesn't get Dumbo. As far as I can tell, it's a glorified carnival ride, and it's the fourth best out of the four glorified around-around-up-and-down carnival rides on WDW property.

 

[Harmony]

I think it is teaching a toddler to enjoy the ride.

As for some of the other comments...there are altogether too many uptight people at Disney World. It's a theme park...you know, relax, have fun, enjoy the entertainment, smile at someone, let someone ahead of you for a change instead of racing for the door or turnstile first...you know, weird stuff like that. I'll require consideration and politeness from my kids (for the most part ), but for 2 short weeks a year, I'm not going to sermonize my kids to death or become frantic and upset whenever anyone does anything the least out of line. Oh, and so what if one person got into line and was then joined by others? If they had all gotten in line at the same time, you'd still be just as far back in line as you ended up. People need to stop worrying that someone might get away with something or do something ahead of them. Everyone will get their turn. It all just comes across as spiteful and petty. Grow up and deal with it. I can't believe people are so upset about someone wanting to let their 2 year old ride the Dumbo ride twice in a row. So...that child might just have a magical memory??? Adults can deal with the disappointment of waiting for a toddler to ride twice, KWIM???

By the way, ITA!

 

[Brian Noble]

I'll amend my post above to add: even at Disney, if it's a bunch of unsupervised teenagers who are running roughshod over the line, I'm very apt to say something to them. Loudly, and for all around them to hear.

After all, it *does* take a village.

 

[BamaFan121s]

Wow...so the short version is...people who do child swap have several members of their family that get to ride twice, but only have to wait in line once? Alrighty then...

 

[Nancyg56]

You are missing the fact that the line is not a bunch of adults waiting to ride Dumbo. It is a line of other toddlers who have waited their turn!

I also feel that this is the point. I don't think that I would get my bloomers in a twist if I saw someone else do this, but I cannot imagine that I would want my DGD to feel that she can jump in front of another because Nana waited in the line for her.

 

[mill4023]

The child swap and this are very different.

Child swap is 4 people waiting in line. 2 parents, 1 child who will not ride and 1 child who rides twice. Total number of people waiting is 4 and total number of rides riden is 4.

This swap is 3 people waiting in line. 2 parents and 1 child who only goes through the line once. Total number of people waiting is 3 and total number of rides is 4.

Since the child is bypassing all of those in line ahead of him so they can join the second parent I'd say it's wrong and cutting in line.

Your child swap example is wrong for 95% of the rides. Here's the correct version for a family with at least 2 kids who are able to ride. I'll put it in as close to the same format as your example:

Child swap is 3 people waiting in line. 1 parent, 2 kids who will ride twice. After parent and 2 kids ride, other parent who didn't wait in line takes same 2 kids on ride again, going through FP line (basically not waiting in line). Total number of people waiting is 3 and total number of rides ridden is 6.

 

[Brian Noble]

Wow...so the short version is...people who do child swap have several members of their family that get to ride twice, but only have to wait in line once? Alrighty then...

Yep. Here is how Cedar Point does it; WDW's policy is very similar, but I can't find it on their site.

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/park/kids/parent_swap.cfm

We don't end up using it that often---much less than once per visit on average---because it's a pain to coordinate. It's often easier for one parent to take our taller/more adventurous child to one of the bigger rides, and the other takes the shorter/more cautious one on something more appropriate, and then we meet up afterwards. Because my shorter one is also more careful, I don't want him to feel pressured to ride something he isn't ready for, and having to wait with me at the exit rather than doing something else fun would do exactly that.

Technically, we don't have to wait at the exit, and can come back later, but I'm not there to ride the big rides, I'm there to have fun with my kids. So, we try to make sure that our tallest gets to ride what she wants to ride, but we don't worry so much about the parents getting on it, because it makes touring harder.

 

[Yacht Club Family]

You are missing the fact that the line is not a bunch of adults waiting to ride Dumbo. It is a line of other toddlers who have waited their turn!

It still doesn't affect line length. If the scenario is that mom, dad and jr. are waiting to ride, that would be 2 elephants. Whether they are one in front of the other or not. Mom & Jr. would ride in one, Dad in the other. All that happens in the OP's scenario is that mom and dad are spaced out and Jr. gets to ride with both, it's the same two elephants. The other kids aren't waiting any longer and the ones between mom and dad are actually getting on before dad, which makes the line one shorter for them. It doesn't seem like it should cause that big of a deal or delay for mom to hand over Jr.



But hey, you have to admit the elephant *is* kinda cute.

 

[wdwcoltsfan]

I'm curious as to how many people this has actually affected? We have never tried this, although I have read the versions in the Unofficial Guide. In all the times we have been to disney, I have never had a child handed off to a parent in front of us. Some of the rides where it would make the most sense would be a pain to hand off, i.e PP and WP. If there have been parents who have done this in front of us, we sure didn't notice it. I know my kids have never asked why someone else got to ride twice without waiting.


Rachel