Is This a Sign Of Things To Come?

It's a pretty safe bet that they're going to turn morning breakfast reservations at Be Our Guest and Cinderella's Royal table into a premium dining experience that includes early morning access to the rides of Fantasyland, including Peter Pan and 7 Dwarfs Mine Train before park open.
 
Since demand has been high for those "early" breakfast reservations (like Be Our Guest) that let you in the park early, this seems like this is just a way to officially market it and monetize it.

Agree. So instead of booking BOG for 6 and ordering one cupcake it would be sign up for early magic breakfast at BOG for $XX per person. includes breakfast and 30 or 60 minute head start on rope drop in fantasyland.
 
It is not as if people are taking advantage of Disney. Disney is the one that has offered BOG to be booked at that time. They can choose not to let People on the rides early. I personally think if continue this route many people are going to head over to Universal. There is rumor that Universal bought a tremendous amount of I land to expand. Universal is going to have Disney right where they want them and Disney is going to keep send more people that direction.Eventually people have a limit. Where Disney made their mistake was doing evertthing at once. Raising prices everywhere and giving people less

Correct, Disney has allowed this by not implementing the promised prix fixe breakfast. It's on them and only they can fix this. Sadly BOG had so much potential for guest enjoyment and Disney's bank account but now a family can get into the park and on rides early for the price of a single cupcake............ :confused3

No rumor, Universal has bought a huge piece of property, big enough for a full park or two, or park and hotels.... Since it will in no way be connected to their other property it will be interesting how it will be developed. I still think they don't have anywhere near the same theme park product but their hotels are beginning to be a huge plus. I would even consider staying there but driving to Disney parks, it's not that far.

It's crazy in Mousetown - maybe they are hoping if they just make all these changes at once it will blow over instead of dragging out the pain.

I don't even know what to say anymore...the "perks" of staying onsite are being stripped away. You can park for free, however, if you get there early you still don't get a close parking spot unless you pay to "upgrade". You can stay in the park late....but you need to pay to do it...you can watch our wonderful night time shows...but if you don't pay for a premium dining package, you ain't seeing it except from way at the back or side with an obstructed view. You can watch our fireworks...but if you actually want to see them well, you need to pay a premium and eat dessert.....it keeps going and going....

Not really. The closest lot at MK is not preferred, the preferred is actually just behind it. The folks who lost out are those with Handicapped Tags who used to park where it's going and will now have a much longer walk unless they moved them to the closer lot but I don't see that happening with how the road is laid out.


Maybe early hours are going to be able to be booked by offsite guests? Onsite guests will still receive EMH hours. This will help us swallow the $15.00 a night resort fees that are rumored. It will seem like we ARE getting something for the $15.00.

Consider this idea .... the $15 Resort Fee is the LARGE RUMOR based on virtually one twitter post. I have seen no one follow up that they did the same survey. I've done crazy surveys that never came to pass. So the RUMOR of a resort fee is the only thing keeping EMH alive because it claims to be a benefit of paying it. Maybe Disney has surveyed enough to decide NO Resort Fee, instead there will be NO free EMH and all extra hours will be a paid ticket. This thread is about Early Morning Fantasyland Dining ...... still strange. But to be creative and create something that fits maybe it's a deal of eat at BOG (full price for all) and then get an hour EMH with it for select Fantasyland rides. I see it selling.

:cool1: I am happy they are finally giving the morning hours some love. Never liked that the evening hours always got all the attention. I hope this is a really early morning event like 6am or earlier otherwise I don't see the point. We are a family of early risers (up at 3am-4am) and have been really disappointed that nothing happens in Disney until 6:30am and that is only breakfast opening up. We don't make it to evening fireworks and love to be able to spend our currently empty 3hrs in the morning with something more constructive in a Disney park. This would also benefit international guests that are on a time difference and get up early cause of their internal clock says it is later then it is. They can get moving and enjoying their vacation too.

You are probably a very very small minority. Disney has to have time to deep clean the parks, do maintenance on every single ride and ride car, do construction (unlike Universal they don't work in view of guest in most cases), change out landscaping, mow grass .... and let their poor CMs sleep. There is no economic reason for them to have anything open past 2 am on a regular basis. And honestly in most places, nothing good is to come after 2 am. I get the body clock (DH traveled international for work) but we all deal with that when we go somewhere not in our time zone. When DH & DD went to Tokyo and few days at Disney there ... they adjusted their sleep to go open to close. We have to adjust to them to do it all, and if we want to stay on our own time then we miss out on stuff.
 
It is not as if people are taking advantage of Disney. Disney is the one that has offered BOG to be booked at that time. They can choose not to let People on the rides early. I personally think if continue this route many people are going to head over to Universal. There is rumor that Universal bought a tremendous amount of I land to expand. Universal is going to have Disney right where they want them and Disney is going to keep send more people that direction.Eventually people have a limit. Where Disney made their mistake was doing evertthing at once. Raising prices everywhere and giving people less
The problem is they've learned by now that regardless of how ridiculous things sound people will pay and they've learned if they get used to paying $25 they'll pay $75. While I think in the end it is bad business I don't really blame Disney. Part of me thinks they just sit around and throw things out to amuse themselves and until people stop playing along it will continue.

Universal still has some weaknesses to address to really compete. They are greet from the older crowd but weak in terms of the toddler demographic. Where they have an opportunity though is with building their brands with the 13+ year olds now. Disney is riding high on generations "growing up Disney" but if that starts to shift (and whether people like to admit it attendance numbers are showing that it is) then the competition takes place but that's still 10 years down the road. I know people indicate their going there now and Universal has had strong double digit growth compared to low single digit from Disney but their ceiling is much higher at the moment. I think corporately Comcast is much more interested in the parks though so there is a strong chance that will continue.
 

here's some info I found
Disney Early Morning Magic- Fantasyland

Guests Check-In beginning at 7:30am at the Main Entrance of Magic Kingdom, by the Far Left Hand Side Turnstiles. Guests will receive a sticker for identification.

At 7:45am Guests are allowed to enter Magic Kingdom. They will make their way to Fantasyland where they will be free to enjoy Peter Pan’s Flight, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh.


no mention on price or dates....this is not a replacement of EMH they will probably do this on days when there isn't morning EMH at MK
 
here's some info I found
Disney Early Morning Magic- Fantasyland

Guests Check-In beginning at 7:30am at the Main Entrance of Magic Kingdom, by the Far Left Hand Side Turnstiles. Guests will receive a sticker for identification.

At 7:45am Guests are allowed to enter Magic Kingdom. They will make their way to Fantasyland where they will be free to enjoy Peter Pan’s Flight, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh.


no mention on price or dates....this is not a replacement of EMH they will probably do this on days when there isn't morning EMH at MK
Depending on the price and number of tickets sold, I would pay for that.
 
Before BOG breakfast, were any rides opened to CP or CRT diners before RD?

Priot to BOG breakfast, the various lands were roped off but once the opening show began they let people through so you got "a leg up" on the folks at the gate for rope drop. With BOG, they still have things/places roped off that you can't get to. However, once your in Fantasyland you are that much farther in the park ahead of those footing it from the gate at rope drop.

A lot of folks are saying that BOG pre-park ADRs get to ride all these rides before park open. I have never experienced that in all my times. When BOG first opened, they were very strict about not letting you go past the internal ropes they had set until the opening show began. Then they would walk you to 7dmt or A&E line before rope drop people arrived so there were no issues about merging the lines. More recently, they have let folks ride 7dmt earlier whenever they got it running. This would vary by the day because it really is just test runs in the morning. A few times we were able to ride 7dmt a few times in a row but others we barely were able to got on before rope drop folks arrived. The best part was, since I always FP+ 7dmt and thus don't go through the que, on one of the early ADR days, a kind CM let us see the crystal barrels & other interactive features with no one else fighting for it. My daughter sees this on Disney channel and always wanted to do it but I wouldn't do standby line just for that.
 
Groan! The hits just keep coming. I'll guess that someone took notice of how many people have been booking pre-park opening breakfasts in order to get a jump on the lines. So now, they'll make it an official offering, with a much higher price tag. Just my speculation, obviously. The Powers That Be are certainly trying to figure out how to squeeze every last penny from the WDW visitors in order to make up for Shanghai.

They are systematically capitalizing on anything the Disney guest considers popular.
I have the feeling our July trip is going to be a beast to plan. We really enjoy EMH, and I have our park days and ADRs planned around them. I hope Disney makes an official announcement very soon because until then all of our plans are tentative. Thanks Disney.:mad:
 
Depending on the price and number of tickets sold, I would pay for that.
I knew it would just be a matter of time before demand to go to Disney gets so high that they would offer more experiences to help "avoid" the crowds.

Everyone is complaining about the crowds. Everyone is complaining there is no "slow" time anymore (a lot of complaints how crowded it was this past January and February) .. this is Disney's way of fixing it .. like it or not.

I'm okay with it .. seems pretty neat.

I just think if it is successful they will just phase out EMH because why offer something you can PAY for one day, but get virtually the same experience (for free) the next day?
 
Priot to BOG breakfast, the various lands were roped off but once the opening show began they let people through so you got "a leg up" on the folks at the gate for rope drop. With BOG, they still have things/places roped off that you can't get to. However, once your in Fantasyland you are that much farther in the park ahead of those footing it from the gate at rope drop.

A lot of folks are saying that BOG pre-park ADRs get to ride all these rides before park open. I have never experienced that in all my times. When BOG first opened, they were very strict about not letting you go past the internal ropes they had set until the opening show began. Then they would walk you to 7dmt or A&E line before rope drop people arrived so there were no issues about merging the lines. More recently, they have let folks ride 7dmt earlier whenever they got it running. This would vary by the day because it really is just test runs in the morning. A few times we were able to ride 7dmt a few times in a row but others we barely were able to got on before rope drop folks arrived. The best part was, since I always FP+ 7dmt and thus don't go through the que, on one of the early ADR days, a kind CM let us see the crystal barrels & other interactive features with no one else fighting for it. My daughter sees this on Disney channel and always wanted to do it but I wouldn't do standby line just for that.

I guess my question was before new fantasyland and BOG. CRT and CP always had prepark ADR, yes? did that give you a big jump on rope drop? or because breakfast is more of an event was it not even possible? was it not so much of an issue before fp+? or 7D?
 
Looks like Disney is willing to give it a try. We would pay for early ride access, and we are early risers. We would not pay for early access to food. We are not foodies.
Real foodies won't pay a premium price for the stuff Disney serves up for breakfast at the MK. Even a cheap brunch at home would be better than what BOG gets away with.
 
I just think if it is successful they will just phase out EMH because why offer something you can PAY for one day, but get virtually the same experience (for free) the next day?

only "free" if onsite and have park admission.

it all depends on if they think they will see a drop off in hotel booking if EMH turns into ticketed event.
 
It's classified on the website under Dining -> Table Service so will include a breakfast. I am guessing 1.5 hours of those few rides and a QS at BOG will run $120 per person.
See, if it includes a meal, I would not pay for it. First, I wouldn't want to waste my ride time eating. Second, no food at WDW is worth what they normally charge. I would not pay extra for the privilege of eating average food earlier in the day.
 
I don't even know what to say anymore...the "perks" of staying onsite are being stripped away. You can park for free, however, if you get there early you still don't get a close parking spot unless you pay to "upgrade". You can stay in the park late....but you need to pay to do it...you can watch our wonderful night time shows...but if you don't pay for a premium dining package, you ain't seeing it except from way at the back or side with an obstructed view. You can watch our fireworks...but if you actually want to see them well, you need to pay a premium and eat dessert.....it keeps going and going....

yet, people still clamor to visit. It is very frustrating to the old-timers but...

it's a business, WDW is doing their stockholders a disservice to not charge what the market will bear.

WWWD? lol he'd put a magical spin on it and happily watch the $ rolling into the coffers. A quality product has been put forth, it's up to the guest to navigate the touring options and decide if the base offering is 'worth it' to them.

If enough people would "vote with their feet" perhaps they'd back track...don't see that happening. Had an interesting conversation with two VPs at Disneyland last fall when participating in the Magical Blue Bayou package. Was told this is the wave of the future of the parks, people have been clamoring for these sorts of experiences.

I am lucky to visit the parks often, but consider it a real splurge for the pricey addons, so I pick & choose wisely. At least every one has the opportunity to book whatever offerings they put out there, don't see restrictions or 'early booking dibs' for AP holders or DVC at least.
 
If this is a thing that requires an aready bought park ticket, I think it might be around $50 to $60 dollars. If it's an even that includes a regular admission to the park with it, I'd say it'll be $200.

Either way, after the DAH thing, I have no doubt that whatever this costs, it'll be more than it should, but people will still defend and purchase it.
 
It's classified on the website under Dining -> Table Service so will include a breakfast. I am guessing 1.5 hours of those few rides and a QS at BOG will run $120 per person.
On top of admission as well so essentially $200 for the opportunity to ride 3 rides.
 
here's some info I found
Disney Early Morning Magic- Fantasyland

Guests Check-In beginning at 7:30am at the Main Entrance of Magic Kingdom, by the Far Left Hand Side Turnstiles. Guests will receive a sticker for identification.

At 7:45am Guests are allowed to enter Magic Kingdom. They will make their way to Fantasyland where they will be free to enjoy Peter Pan’s Flight, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh.


no mention on price or dates....this is not a replacement of EMH they will probably do this on days when there isn't morning EMH at MK

Where did you find this info? Hoping wherever you did is updated soon. Our trip is just a few weeks out.
 
My head is still spinning from the last announcement. It's about to spin right off. I agree with PP's - why do they keep hitting us rapid fire? It's getting to be too much at once. Also, in typical Disney fashion we are given minimum details and then it's a waiting game for the rest of the important info. Once this rolls out with they still allow normal pre-opening breakfasts? CP is absolutely our favorite and we always eat before opening. Honestly I don't know if my DH would want to waste morning park time to eat there. We get SO much done right after breakfast as we usually finish right after RD. I know none of us have to participate in any of these new money grabs - I mean special events - but still. Can we at least stop for a minute Disney and let the dust settle before you announce more?
 














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