Is OJ Innocent?

[DISNEY1975]

I didn't watch the trial nor have I had any interest in watching the specials on TV about it, so I could be totally wrong but...could he have caught Ron Goldman off guard, where he didn't have a chance to defend himself? With his wife being an abused woman, I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't try to hit/punch or even scratch him (probably more worried about getting away), so all he would really need to do is catch Goldman off guard. He also could have had someone there with him that did the "dirty work" or he could have hired someone and not been there at all.

I think someone else was there, or was hired. But if that was the case...how did OJs blood get everywhere, but he only had a slight cut on the top of his knuckles (which he said was from a broken glass). No other blood was found except OJs and the victims. I giess we will never 100% know the entire story. Hopefully on his death bed he will confess.

 

[DISNEY1975]

How does this documentary deal with blood in the bronco, the same size footprint at the house, bloody socks and gloves?

This new documentary tries to plant in the viewers mind that OJ did not do it, but rather his son Jason. They basically tried to tell a story about a shady LA PD who planted evidence and did a sloppy job investigating only to frame the celebrity suspect. It was a 6 part series. The first 4.5 p[arts focused on Jason. Then some "guy" appeared out of nowhere stating he was a PI and actually was doing surveillance in the neighborhood on the night of 06/12 and witnessed OJ and Jason at the scene, but he never came forward until now because he thought he would of have accused of the murders because he was "there" They never told who he was really spying on at the time. My guess is he worked for drug dealers and was looking for Faye.

 

[Erzengel]

This new documentary tries to plant in the viewers mind that OJ did not do it, but rather his son Jason. They basically tried to tell a story about a shady LA PD who planted evidence and did a sloppy job investigating only to frame the celebrity suspect. It was a 6 part series. The first 4.5 p[arts focused on Jason. Then some "guy" appeared out of nowhere stating he was a PI and actually was doing surveillance in the neighborhood on the night of 06/12 and witnessed OJ and Jason at the scene, but he never came forward until now because he thought he would of have accused of the murders because he was "there" They never told who he was really spying on at the time. My guess is he worked for drug dealers and was looking for Faye.

At the very least this makes it sound like OJ was an accomplice.

 

[DISNEY1975]

At the very least this makes it sound like OJ was an accomplice.

By the end of the series, everything they thought they had against Jason had been debunked. There is no way Jason could have been with even with his father as it turned out he actually punched the timeclock at work on the night of the murders.....something they could have ruled out in the first 2 minutes of episode 1 if they looked at the card thoroughly. Have to admit, I didnt realize it until episode 4.

So the guy who appeared in the garage 25 years later, had to have been lying, and OJ is still the prime suspect....still with no absolute proof. If nothing else, this series was a little entertaining and provided a few moments for me to play detective! Other than that..waste of 6 hours of my life, minus commercials. Love my DVR!!

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I believe he was guilty, and he was found guilty in a civil trial. Of course he hasn't really had to pay that verdict due to laws in CA regarding pensions and moving to FL was there are laws that would protect his home. He did have to give up some important memorabilia though.

I always had a problem with that civil trial. Yeah, I think he did it, but once the criminal trial declared him "not guilty", that should have been that.

 

[diznygirl]

I didn't watch the trial nor have I had any interest in watching the specials on TV about it, so I could be totally wrong but...could he have caught Ron Goldman off guard, where he didn't have a chance to defend himself? With his wife being an abused woman, I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't try to hit/punch or even scratch him (probably more worried about getting away), so all he would really need to do is catch Goldman off guard. He also could have had someone there with him that did the "dirty work" or he could have hired someone and not been there at all.

I believe the theory is that Ron showed up during the attack on Nicole. So OJ wasn't fighting them both at the at the same time. It was also a small space and there was no room to get away from a large man with a knife.

 

[MillauFr]

There are plenty of average Americans that go to trial and are found not guilty. They simply don't make the headlines.

No doubt but you are far more likely to be found innocent if you can afford a team of top notch lawyers. If you have to rely on a public defender you are far less likely to be found innocent.

 

[DISNEY1975]

I believe the theory is that Ron showed up during the attack on Nicole. So OJ wasn't fighting them both at the at the same time. It was also a small space and there was no room to get away from a large man with a knife.

Havent heard that one. I kind of assumed OJ got wind that Nicole and Ron were together/dating and was upset over that. Possibly he knew they were out together or at her house and he went to kill "the guy", Ron?

Maybe he planned to go to Chicago all along and someone tipped him off that Nicole just arrived home with a guy. He looks at his watch and decides he still has enough time to go over there and see for himself. He gets upset at what he sees, things go terribly wrong, still in shock, he races back home and the limo guy is there. He has to pretend everything is normal, so he grabs his prepacked bag and continues with his every day life.

This guy in the garage did say he was on a stake out, or surveillance. Maybe OJ hired him to watch her and tipped him off that she arrived home with a guy. I want to know who he was really there watching...if he was really there???

 

[mnrose]

I always had a problem with that civil trial. Yeah, I think he did it, but once the criminal trial declared him "not guilty", that should have been that.

The standards of proof are wildly different. Not guilty in a criminal case doesn't mean "he didn't do it," but rather that the prosecutor failed to prove the case "beyond a reasonable doubt." So, if the jury had a "reasonable doubt", he would be acquitted even if they thought it was "more likely than not" that he did it.

On the other hand, in a civil case, the standard of proof is MUCH lower: "more likely than not." It was described to me this way in law school. 50.01 % chance that he did it, bam, he loses. That's it. Criminal is more like 95% (or higher) chance that he did it to be convicted.

It's rare that someone acquitted is pursued civilly, but it does happen and this case is a prime example of why. But, if you are found guilty criminally, there is ZERO chance of winning in a civil case. LOL.

 

[LAB81018]

I finished watching the series. Im glad they took a second look at the timecard.

As to OJ, Im more convinced now that it is really possible he did it after hearing from the limo driver. But, that is assuming the driver is telling the truth. I just dont understand how one person could kill 2 people, with a knife, and not be bruised or have more than a small cut above the knuckles of one hand. He had to have been close enough to both vicitms to stab them and nobody punched him, scratched him? nothing?? Who was that surveillence guy watching???

If you have the chance, watch OJ: Made in America. One person, I can't remember who, believes that he attacked Nicole first in a blitz attack and she went down quickly. Ron came upon the scene, tried to escape. OJ came up behind him, trapped him between two sections of the gate, got him into a bear hug (Ron's back to OJ's front) and delivered several quick stabs, including at least one in an artery and then dropped him so that Ron was left bleeding out while sitting against one of the gate sections. While he was leaving the scene, he reached down and lifted Nicole's head and slit her throat.

The one thing from Made in America that struck me was his friend Ron Shipp (a LA police officer) detailing how they were in the house after OJ returned from Chicago and he watched OJ tell three different people as the night wore on, three different stories of how he injured his hand. He broke a glass, he cut himself while putting in the hotel room in Chicago and he cut it reaching it to the Bronco to get his phone.

 

[Kathryn Merteuil]

I tend to think he did it. BUT, yea his legal team did enough to create "reasonable doubt".

 

[Gumbo4x4]

The standards of proof are wildly different. Not guilty in a criminal case doesn't mean "he didn't do it," but rather that the prosecutor failed to prove the case "beyond a reasonable doubt." So, if the jury had a "reasonable doubt", he would be acquitted even if they thought it was "more likely than not" that he did it.

On the other hand, in a civil case, the standard of proof is MUCH lower: "more likely than not." It was described to me this way in law school. 50.01 % chance that he did it, bam, he loses. That's it. Criminal is more like 95% (or higher) chance that he did it to be convicted.

It's rare that someone acquitted is pursued civilly, but it does happen and this case is a prime example of why. But, if you are found guilty criminally, there is ZERO chance of winning in a civil case. LOL.

I understand by law, the standard is lower. But, I still have a problem with that as it applies to this case.

Had it been a case where he killed them in a car crash, and wasn't convicted of any criminal wrongdoing, that would be different. Because both cases would at least agree he did it.

 

[diznygirl]

Havent heard that one. I kind of assumed OJ got wind that Nicole and Ron were together/dating and was upset over that. Possibly he knew they were out together or at her house and he went to kill "the guy", Ron?

Maybe he planned to go to Chicago all along and someone tipped him off that Nicole just arrived home with a guy. He looks at his watch and decides he still has enough time to go over there and see for himself. He gets upset at what he sees, things go terribly wrong, still in shock, he races back home and the limo guy is there. He has to pretend everything is normal, so he grabs his prepacked bag and continues with his every day life.

This guy in the garage did say he was on a stake out, or surveillance. Maybe OJ hired him to watch her and tipped him off that she arrived home with a guy. I want to know who he was really there watching...if he was really there???

Google Ron Goldman wiki. I'm not going to copy/paste it all here. He was returning sunglasses Nicole left at the restaurant. It's believed he showed up while the attack was happening.

Of course, there are many other theories out there. Lots of crazy ones. I don't for a minute believe someone stayed silent this long.

 

[Adelle Dazeem]

If you have the chance, watch OJ: Made in America. One person, I can't remember who, believes that he attacked Nicole first in a blitz attack and she went down quickly. Ron came upon the scene, tried to escape. OJ came up behind him, trapped him between two sections of the gate, got him into a bear hug (Ron's back to OJ's front) and delivered several quick stabs, including at least one in an artery and then dropped him so that Ron was left bleeding out while sitting against one of the gate sections. While he was leaving the scene, he reached down and lifted Nicole's head and slit her throat.

The one thing from Made in America that struck me was his friend Ron Shipp (a LA police officer) detailing how they were in the house after OJ returned from Chicago and he watched OJ tell three different people as the night wore on, three different stories of how he injured his hand. He broke a glass, he cut himself while putting in the hotel room in Chicago and he cut it reaching it to the Bronco to get his phone.

That show was really well done. The crime scene photos were graphic and hard to see, but I learned so much about the case and the people involved.

 

[DISNEY1975]

I will check it out! Thanks

 

[TLSnell1981]

I always thought Jason was the most likely suspect, if it wasn't OJ. Who else would a person protect..other than their child?

I would've voted not guilty and never believed the DA's version of events. It didn't make sense.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

I always thought Jason was the most likely suspect, if it wasn't OJ. Who else would a person protect..other than their child?

I would've voted not guilty and never believed the DA's version of events. It didn't make sense.

Sometimes it is a problem in a jury is that they feel that since something terrible happened, that the person on trial must be guilty. Otherwise why were they arrested?

Like you, I would have voted not guilty.

I was on a jury that voted not guilty. It was a capital murder case. And the press nailed us after we delivered our verdict. We all agreed that the accused probably did something wrong. But first degree murder? The prosecution didn't prove their case. We did our job. The DA didn't do theirs.

 

[Adelle Dazeem]

I will check it out! Thanks

Just taking about it makes me want to watch it again, I found it so interesting because it's not just about the murder and trial. It goes way back to the 60's and talks about race relations and Simpson's football career, etc. it's pretty long 10 hours if you include the commercials - I think about 8 hours if you can find it uncut - but really worth watching.

 

[MrsDuck]

Definitely NOT innocent.

 

[lucas]

The only reason I watched this was to see what Detective Derrick Levasseur was doing there. He was a past winner of Big Brother so I had to check it out.