Is My Uncle Evil? Be Forewarned, This Is A Long Post

darlak

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First, a little condensed background:

1958-One five-person cemetery plot each purchased by my parents, my maternal grandparents and my maternal aunt and uncle in a small church owned cemetery. The three plots are adjacent to one another.
Prior to 1995-large extended maternal family w/ usually 25-35 at family gatherings such as Christmas, etc.
1995-2002-death of my father and both maternal grandparents. After my father’s death, he was buried in another town where he lived w/ his second wife. Following the funeral, my uncle made it known that he had bought my parent’s cemetery plot from my father’s late wife. These plots are now considered premium and have not been available in this select location in about 50 years. My mother informed him that my father’s second wife had no right to sell him this plot since she was awarded the deed to it in her divorce settlement from my father.
2003-When my mother died, I was out of town and prior to my return, my uncle made arrangements with 1 of my brothers (known to have a serious drug problem), to bury her on my grandparent's plot next to them. I did not learn of this until arriving at the cemetery on the day of my mother’s burial. I should mention here that my uncle is the sole custodian and record keeper for this church run cemetery. He alone is in charge of all cemetery records at his church. I wanted to put up a headstone on my mother’s grave, My uncle told me that he and my aunt would only allow a footstone to be placed there. She is buried next to my grandparents, who both have a headstone. This plot now belongs to my aunt, as awarded in my grandparent’s wills, as their only surviving child. A few months following her burial, my uncle tried to purchase this plot from my 3 brothers and some money actually changed hands between him and the drug-addicted brother. I and my 2 other brothers refused to sell to him. I have not spoken to my aunt or uncle since that time.


June 21, 2007-My youngest brother dies in Savannah, GA, at the age of 37, following his fight with testicular cancer. My husband and I travel to Savannah to take care of all my brother’s affairs. He was unmarried with no children and my other 2 brothers are unable to help at all. My brother had no life insurance. My husband, bless his heart, deals with my uncle since he is in charge of opening and closing the graves. We are expecting a fight, but get instead, a very understanding and what we feel is a compassionate response. We make the arrangements to have his remains returned home and buried on my parent’s plot in the gravesite closest to my mother, as my late brother wanted. A memorial service was held in Savannah at my brother’s home church and we plan only a graveside service here. My husband and I arrived home late the night before the day of the service here, having made all other arrangements by phone while out of town.

We arrive at the cemetery to find that my uncle has opened a gravesite 14 plots away from the one purchased by my parents in 1958. This “site” is on a dirt service road next to the fence surrounding the cemetery. This entire plot is in an area that was not even available for purchasing in 1958. It only became available when some adjacent land was purchased around 1980. There is no grass and the only vegetation at all is a few mimosa trees sprouting in the dirt. I was stunned and devastated. I felt I had no choice at the time but to allow the burial to take place as planned. I feel certain that my uncle has doctored the paperwork in the church cemetery office. One of my surviving brother’s is in prison (can you guess which one?) and the other brother said that he just doesn’t feel it’s worth fighting over. I do not plan to be buried there at all. My feeling is that my youngest brother wanted to be buried as close as possible to our mother and that’s worth fighting over to me.

I wanted to vent, but would also like other’s opinions.
 
yes. Sorry you have to deal with a rotten person as well as the death of your brother.
 
I agree is was not right to bury your brother so far away from your parents, especially considering he had no wife or children that could be buried near him in the new location.

However, what's done is done, and he is with your parents in spirit. I know it will be a thorn in your side, but I think I'd let it go at this point and simply not have any further contact with your uncle.

But, what I don't understand is since you and your other brother refused to sell the plot, then your uncle took possession of them illegally, you may want to consult an attorney. Since you still had a interest in the plot, and are not planning on being buried there, couldn't you have insisted your brother be buried in "your" plot
 
He's a jerk. For sure. I'm sorry for your loss.

I'm not sure if you're trying to decide whether to pursue something legally... I don't know if I would. Personally I believe your family is in a better place - gravesites are mostly there for us, the people left behind. I think you'll just prolong your grieving and heartache by pressing the issue.
 

Don't let that anger tear you apart, don't stew over it. You do have every right to be angry and want him to realize the wrongs he has done in the past and continues to do. If I am correct about the type of person he is, he will never realize his wrongs. I would say let go of it all.

I am so sorry for your loss.
 
Is this something you can learn to accept in a while or will it still bother you deeply in 5 years? The reason why I ask is because I think you will have a very difficult fight in front of you if your uncle has indeed altered the cemetary records.
What if you moved your mother next to where your db is buried? That might be more easily accomplished since it is obvious that your uncle wants the plot next to where your mom is currently interned.
I want to say that I am just so sorry for what is going on here and for the loss of your brother.
 
You have to figure out if this is important to you. Important enough to sue Uncle Jerk over? Important enough to further rip the extended family apart? Important enough to spend money on lawyers and then maybe *not* win?
And will you stew about Uncle Jerk if you do *nothing*?

Is there any other way you can get some satisfaction without resorting to legal violence? I've thought of some things and this will probably frost Uncle Jerk's cookies but GOOD.

Instead of going to court, take some of the money that you would have spent on your legal fight and put up a nice BIG monument on your brother's grave. Have the plot re-sodded and rehabilitated. Think of something nice to put on the stone, of course your brother's name. etc., but make sure to include something along the lines of "beloved son of [your parents], "beloved brother of [your name]", "beloved grandson of [grandparents]".
Put your brother's name and your mother's name out for all the world to see and for Uncle Jerk to remember.
Every. Single. Day. that he is there at that cemetery, every single time he looks at the records, he will see what you were able to do and he will have to live with himself. *Plus* he seems to somehow want to push your mother and your brother off to the side, somehow blot out their worthiness to be in this cemetery. Having a nice BIG headstone installed and prettying up your brother's "neighborhood" will make *you* feel better and make Uncle Jerk feel worse. It's a two-fer ;) .
Do you have cousins in Uncle Jerk's family or other relatives who are aware of the situation? What do everyone think of Uncle Jerk's behavior?
I would also take some of the money that would have gone for the legal fight and make some kind of a memorial gift at your place of worship or maybe in this church's town...you know, your mom and brother might have liked to be remembered as the "[Name]" Children's Room at the local Library, or perhaps a scholarship at a local high school...something like that.

Your Uncle *is* a nasty small-hearted man, but most people who worship at the altar of money are. No wonder you don't talk to him, he and his wife are toxic. Btw, he is married to your mother's sister, correct? Before your mother passed away, what was her opinion of these relatives?

So sorry for all this unpleasantness in the middle of your grief. My sympathies. It is a terrible thing when we have a low opinion of those we want to love and they continue to confirm it.

agnes!
 
I went through something similar. My father committed suicide in 1975, he was buried next to his father. My mother had never remarried. The graveyard is a family graveyard that was overseen by my uncle. Now, I loved my uncle greatly, he was a good man.

It was common knowledge that my mother would be buried next to my father, if she never remarried. My brother and I would like to have our parents buried next to one another.

So anyway, my uncle died suddenly. It was tragic, he was young and had a family. Imagine my shock when we get to the burial and he is being buried next to my father. His wife stated that he wanted to be as close to his father as possible. She then went on to tell everyone that the next two plots are for her and her son. I didn't say anything, because I decided that it just wasn't worth it. However, it eat at me and eat at me. I finally had to let it go and realize that it doesn't really matter where we are buried in the end. That is only going to be consolation to those that are left living.
 
I did not learn of this until arriving at the cemetery on the day of my mother’s burial. I should mention here that my uncle is the sole custodian and record keeper for this church run cemetery. He alone is in charge of all cemetery records at his church.

maybe it's time to talk to the pastor/priest of the church (sorry, i don't know which it would be as i'm jewish). I'm sure this person would not be too happy about what is going on.
I'm so sorry for your loss, you certainly don't need this type of aggravation now.:grouphug:
 
In some areas, you can bury two people in one plot. Perhaps this is a solution that might work in this case. Bury the brother in the same plot with the mother, if the law allows that.

If not, consider cremating the brother and scattering his ashes on the mother's plot, or some ashes there and the rest somewhere else.

Please accept my sympathy on the loss of your loved ones. This issue is a difficult one to have to address at a time like this, but I agree with the above poster who asked if it would eat at you. Consider all the possible options and in the end, I believe you will be able to accept the results knowing that you did everything you could. I am sure that your parents and your brother would all appreciate how deeply you must love them.

-Dorothy (LadyZolt)
 
My condolences for the loss of your brother.

Who has the deed to the plot you wanted to use for your brother? Did anyone in your family pay for the plot in which your brother was buried? Did you specify to your uncle that you wanted your brother buried "next" to your mother or did you say "by" your mother?

If the plot next to your mother was indeed owned by your mother, then the deed should have been part of her estate when she passed. If your uncle bought the plot and has the deed, and your mother or her estate didn't contest the ownership earlier, then your uncle basically owns that plot.

I can see that this may have been a case of miscommunication... you thinking that your uncle was going to return the plot NEXT to your mother and your uncle thinking that you wanted a plot NEAR to your mother.

If you have, or can locate, the deed to the plot next to your mother (and have it processed through probate, if necessary), you may be able to have your brother moved next to her. If the deed was transferred years ago to your uncle, then it isn't worth fighting over. In that case, spend your money on a nice memorial stone and flowers for your brother's current resting place.

I wish you all the best.
 
I do have the deed to the plot and have made a decision about what I'm going to do. I believe that the advice to let this go is probably the wisest, but...that's not what I'm doing.

I've made an appointment with the pastor of the Methodist church where the cemetary is located and where my uncle is a member. My plan is to take with me a copy of the deed as well as a copy of my parent's divorce decree showing that my mother was awarded that cemetary plot. I intend to tell the pastor that I want to give him an opportunity to right this wrong. This is difficult for me as I am also a lifelong Methodist, but I am fully prepared to take legal action against my uncle personally, but will also list as a party, that specific Methodist church, the pastor as well as our local Conference.

I'm not at all certain that I have chosen the right path here, but I do feel at peace with my decision. Thanks so much for all of the advice. I really appreciate that you all took the time to offer it.
 
I do have the deed to the plot and have made a decision about what I'm going to do. I believe that the advice to let this go is probably the wisest, but...that's not what I'm doing.

If you have the deed, you should be able to have your brother moved. I wish you luck.
 
That is all I can say. Wow. I think that a person who is going around selling and re-selling? burial plots to make $$ is yes, Evil. what a jerk. He tricked you good. Because he knew if he told you what you wanted to hear, he could get away with it. Not your fault. You should be able to trust family members especially in times like these.
I am sure that your dear brother fought the good fight against his cancer. I am sorry for your loss. If is is important to you to keep up the fight against your uncle, then you should. it is good to stick to your convictions. dont let anyone talk you out of it. I am sure your brother would be proud.
Take care.
 
I wish you luck in your upcoming battle, and I wish peace for you as well. Sorry to hear about your brother.
 
I am so sorry for your loss.

For what it's worth, I do think you're doing the right thing fighting for this. Whether you win this battle or not, at least you will have the peace that comes from doing everything you can to fulfill your brother's and mother's wishes.
 
I do have the deed to the plot and have made a decision about what I'm going to do. I believe that the advice to let this go is probably the wisest, but...that's not what I'm doing.

I've made an appointment with the pastor of the Methodist church where the cemetary is located and where my uncle is a member. My plan is to take with me a copy of the deed as well as a copy of my parent's divorce decree showing that my mother was awarded that cemetary plot. I intend to tell the pastor that I want to give him an opportunity to right this wrong. This is difficult for me as I am also a lifelong Methodist, but I am fully prepared to take legal action against my uncle personally, but will also list as a party, that specific Methodist church, the pastor as well as our local Conference.

I'm not at all certain that I have chosen the right path here, but I do feel at peace with my decision. Thanks so much for all of the advice. I really appreciate that you all took the time to offer it.


I know that letting it go would probably be the best thing, but I have to agree with your approach. It's what I would do. Maybe that would be my choice because I'm in the process of becoming an attorney, but I think its mostly because what your uncle did was just plain wrong. I have a hard time letting people get away with doing really bad things simply because, if someone doesn't stop them, they'll keep doing wrong. I'm sorry that you've had to deal with all of this. I hope the process of righting this wrong doesn't cause you more pain.
 
I do have the deed to the plot and have made a decision about what I'm going to do. I believe that the advice to let this go is probably the wisest, but...that's not what I'm doing.

I've made an appointment with the pastor of the Methodist church where the cemetary is located and where my uncle is a member. My plan is to take with me a copy of the deed as well as a copy of my parent's divorce decree showing that my mother was awarded that cemetary plot. I intend to tell the pastor that I want to give him an opportunity to right this wrong. This is difficult for me as I am also a lifelong Methodist, but I am fully prepared to take legal action against my uncle personally, but will also list as a party, that specific Methodist church, the pastor as well as our local Conference.

I'm not at all certain that I have chosen the right path here, but I do feel at peace with my decision. Thanks so much for all of the advice. I really appreciate that you all took the time to offer it.

I think you made the right decision. If you wanted your brother to be buried next to your mother then that's where he should be buried.

Your uncle doesn't seem like a very nice person.
 
Would moving your mother next to your brother be an option? I think even if you are able to move him, you will be unhappy with them there. It sounds like space is limited where your grandparents are, and moving them would open space in "your" area for future burials (sorry if that sounded crass) and you can put whatever headstones you want there.
 
I am so sorry for your loss and all this extra trouble. I think the wisest, easiest thing is to just let go of this, but I don't think I could do that either. I think your plan is the right way to go, but I would remove myself from the process. I would hand it all to my lawyer and let them do the work. I would not dignify your uncle with one spoken word. What he did was wrong and disrespectful of you and your brother as well as just plain mean. Good luck and again I am very sorry for your loss.
 


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