Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[person]

And, lest we forget, Wallis Simpson's actions ushered in a monarch much better suited for the job, two actually....

This was indeed Providential....

 

[Tink-osophy]

I've encountered people who seem to 'under-care' when they wrong others, but seem to 'over-care' when they are wronged even a little. It's very manipulative (though not always conscious) and it means you can't work with them, because you can't reach any kind of compromise or reasonable ground with them.

I don't suppose this whole debacle was 100% H&M's fault - and I'm sure there are ways they have been wronged - but what about the rest of the story? In their positions of extreme privilege and 'importance' whilst royal, there's no way they didn't have considerable influence.

Will the interview be anything other than a very biased, one-sided effort to garner sympathetic attention? I think they'd get more sympathy for where they were wronged, if they were putting things into better perspective,. They could acknowledge their own errors and not force their exaggerated (compared to so many millions of other human beings) sense of victimhood on the world with 'the interview'.

If they only want to be and do what they keeping telling us they want, they wouldn't be doing this interview.

 

[person]

I've encountered people who seem to 'under-care' when they wrong others, but seem to 'over-care' when they are wronged even a little. It's very manipulative (though not always conscious) and it means you can't work with them, because you can't reach any kind of compromise or reasonable ground with them.

I don't suppose this whole debacle was 100% H&M's fault - and I'm sure there are ways they have been wronged - but what about the rest of the story? In their positions of extreme privilege and 'importance' whilst royal, there's no way they didn't have considerable influence.

Will the interview be anything other than a very biased, one-sided effort to garner sympathetic attention? I think they'd get more sympathy for where they were wronged, if they were putting things into better perspective,. They could acknowledge their own errors and not force their exaggerated (compared to so many millions of other human beings) sense of victimhood on the world with 'the interview'.

If they only want to be and do what they keeping telling us they want, they wouldn't be doing this interview.

Perceptive post. Reminds me a bit of James in the NT, wheres he warns against talk, talk, talk...

 

[snappy]

I've encountered people who seem to 'under-care' when they wrong others, but seem to 'over-care' when they are wronged even a little. It's very manipulative (though not always conscious) and it means you can't work with them, because you can't reach any kind of compromise or reasonable ground with them.

I don't suppose this whole debacle was 100% H&M's fault - and I'm sure there are ways they have been wronged - but what about the rest of the story? In their positions of extreme privilege and 'importance' whilst royal, there's no way they didn't have considerable influence.

Will the interview be anything other than a very biased, one-sided effort to garner sympathetic attention? I think they'd get more sympathy for where they were wronged, if they were putting things into better perspective,. They could acknowledge their own errors and not force their exaggerated (compared to so many millions of other human beings) sense of victimhood on the world with 'the interview'.

If they only want to be and do what they keeping telling us they want, they wouldn't be doing this interview.

Brings obsessive compulsive to mind, at least for me.

 

[fla4fun]

So, will most of you be hate watching this so you can talk about it later?

I do not plan to watch. I lost a lot of respect for them, not because they left the royal life, but because of how they did it. Everything from that time forward has just felt like they were bent on getting revenge, not simply taking steps for a different life. No one should have to be less than their authentic self, but I always felt that Harry was allowed to be himself within the family and that the family was welcoming of Meghan. The first couple years of marriage are a big adjustment for anyone, involving a lot of compromise from all those involved, and it just feels like they bailed before they really gave it a chance. I feel like the family has always been aware of Harry’s pain at losing his mom at such a young age, and given him a lot of leeway as a result. I feel like if everyone involved would have had an actual conversation regarding the type of work H&M wanted to do, a way would have been found to make it work. I think his family is very hurt and confused by his behavior.

I do believe that Meghan has had to endure a lot of racial comments and issues since her relationship with Harry started, but that never appeared to come from the immediate family. It seemed to be mostly media driven, although I could also believe there may be courtiers involved. I can understand wanting to limit their paparazzi exposure by moving to another country because of what happened to his mom. I can even understand the need to cut toxic family members out of your life. What I don’t understand is why they did it acting like a couple of petulant two year olds instead of adults, and don’t appear to have matured over the past year. I feel like they keep tugging at my shirttail yelling “Look at me! Look at me!”. When they start acting like adults, I will consider giving them another chance.

 

[snappy]

These two are hardly blushing newly weds. Sure they have not been married long but neither one is young or inexperienced. If our thirty somethings ( oldest is 32) acted like these two, we wouldn’t tolerate it. Being a prince or married to one doesn’t entitle anyone to be selfish or vindictive.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Some of the comments regarding H&M on other boards are doozies. One had Camilla thanking Megs for making her look good. Another was apologizing to Samantha because everything she said about her sister was true!

 

[person]

I do not plan to watch. I lost a lot of respect for them, not because they left the royal life, but because of how they did it. Everything from that time forward has just felt like they were bent on getting revenge, not simply taking steps for a different life. No one should have to be less than their authentic self, but I always felt that Harry was allowed to be himself within the family and that the family was welcoming of Meghan. The first couple years of marriage are a big adjustment for anyone, involving a lot of compromise from all those involved, and it just feels like they bailed before they really gave it a chance. I feel like the family has always been aware of Harry’s pain at losing his mom at such a young age, and given him a lot of leeway as a result. I feel like if everyone involved would have had an actual conversation regarding the type of work H&M wanted to do, a way would have been found to make it work. I think his family is very hurt and confused by his behavior.

I do believe that Meghan has had to endure a lot of racial comments and issues since her relationship with Harry started, but that never appeared to come from the immediate family. It seemed to be mostly media driven, although I could also believe there may be courtiers involved. I can understand wanting to limit their paparazzi exposure by moving to another country because of what happened to his mom. I can even understand the need to cut toxic family members out of your life. What I don’t understand is why they did it acting like a couple of petulant two year olds instead of adults, and don’t appear to have matured over the past year. I feel like they keep tugging at my shirttail yelling “Look at me! Look at me!”. When they start acting like adults, I will consider giving them another chance.

I, too, have no interest in watching, either....

 

[person]

What’s the chance of Meghan being nominated for an Emmy for her performance Sunday night?

I take your point, but maybe the oxygen of publicity is exactly what is not needed...

 

[person]

Brings obsessive compulsive to mind, at least for me.

There is a certain type of Hollywood atmosphere or mindset which seems to feed on a heightened form of itself.

 

[person]

These two are hardly blushing newly weds. Sure they have not been married long but neither one is young or inexperienced. If our thirty somethings ( oldest is 32) acted like these two, we wouldn’t tolerate it. Being a prince or married to one doesn’t entitle anyone to be selfish or vindictive.

snappy: An analogy that comes to mind is the unreality of a tattoo parlor to expect to build a clientele among cleanskins (not a criticism of either tattoo parlors or cleanskins, but it goes with the nature of things). If one's mindset is driven by Hollywood, then certain inherently likely consequences can be expected.

 

[CdnCarrie]

[QUOTE="Karin1984, post: 62745581, member: 41613
I am concerned that Meghan's people used the words 'smear campaign'. In discussions like these you can better stick to that it saddens you and something like that you would like to look into. Compare it to Meghan's friend (don't remember her name, Jessica? The one in Canada) who has several tv programs and got accused of racist behaviour. Better is to say you will have a good look at yourself, reflect, talk to people and that you are willing to learn. Saying 'it's a smear campaign' is denying there is a problem.[/QUOTE]

Jessica Mulroney.
Daughter in law to the former Prime Minister of Canada.

 

[Cheburashka]

So, will most of you be hate watching this so you can talk about it later?

No, I will not watch it. I'm the kind of person who, when driving, avoids looking at car crash scenes- I simply don't want to subject myself to it. I do not find the pillorying of an important British institution entertaining. Interesting, but not entertaining- there is a difference. I'm disturbed by the unexamined media bias towards Meghan in the U.S., and the self-centered values this couple exemplifies, to the detriment of the traditional values that are being exemplified by the royal family at this time.

I can't help wondering what the world is coming to- I guess that's why I'm so interested in this. It goes beyond royalty & shines the spotlight on a lot of unfortunate changes in our society. I will read about the interview afterwards, though, to be aware of what was said.

 

[Skywalker]

For me, I was very much team M&H, go live your life out of the spotlight. But all they’ve done is climb back into it ever since ... just go and shhhhhh.

This is where I am at as well. The old classic "how can we miss you if you won't go away?" People who do not want the spotlight, don't go on James Cordon and Oprah Winfrey and make sure every single visit to, say, a food bank or whatever, has the media alerted ahead of time so photos of any and all good deeds will be on the news, dammit!

And I suppose being on Oprah is probably a huge dream come true for a Z-list American actress. A sit down with Oprah! Oprah wouldn't have given her the time of day a couple of years ago. Seems beneath Harry though. Well, it DID seem beneath him. Not so much now.

 

[EMom]

Some of the comments regarding H&M on other boards are doozies. One had Camilla thanking Megs for making her look good. Another was apologizing to Samantha because everything she said about her sister was true!

MM has managed to make both Camilla and Wallis Simpson look favorable by comparison. A Herculean accomplishment!

In thinking back over some of the things MM's half-siblings (sister and brother) and father have said, it occurs to me that none of them were far off the mark. They might have sounded bitter and half crazy, but they were pretty accurate when all was said and done.

And William's advice to slow down a bit until MM could ascertain whether or not she was actually suited to be married to a royal, with all that entails, was sage counsel. Problem is, I don't think she ever wanted to lead a dutiful royal life any longer that it took to accomplish her true goal of fame, fortune, and influence.

 

[Suger Mag]

Some of the comments regarding H&M on other boards are doozies. One had Camilla thanking Megs for making her look good. Another was apologizing to Samantha because everything she said about her sister was true!

Some of the comments regarding H&M on other boards are doozies. One had Camilla thanking Megs for making her look good. Another was apologizing to Samantha because everything she said about her sister was true!

I hope Andrew the pedophile thanked them for taking the heat off his sex crimes.

Well, one thing for sure... this whole M&H thing has shown what is really important to the palace.
Multiple instances of fraud and sex crimes by Andrew... allowed to quietly "retire"

M and H get married, don't 'fit in" and want to live their own life on their terms... OH HORROR.... THE DISGRACE

LOL.... that's OK... I have a feeling that Andrew may have some "retirement" trouble when Ghislaine sings....

 

[Karin1984]

I hope Andrew the pedophile thanked them for taking the heat off his sex crimes.

Well, one thing for sure... this whole M&H thing has shown what is really important to the palace.
Multiple instances of fraud and sex crimes by Andrew... allowed to quietly "retire"

M and H get married, don't 'fit in" and want to live their own life on their terms... OH HORROR.... THE DISGRACE

LOL.... that's OK... I have a feeling that Andrew may have some "retirement" trouble when Ghislaine sings....

I'm not really following what is happening with the Epstein case on the other side of the ocean, but what is the current status of Clinton's and Trump's relationship with Epstein and the trips on his plane?

 

[snappy]

I would venture to bet that quite a few others recognizable names will surface at some point. Athletes, corporate CEO’s, and Hollywood celebrity types, perhaps?

 

[TippyThomas]

Whataboutism.

 

[Cheburashka]

Multiple instances of fraud and sex crimes by Andrew... allowed to quietly "retire"

Andrew has already been removed from public royal life, and has lost all of his patronages. He wasn't even in the official photos for his second daughter's wedding. So it's not like the palace is turning a blind eye to the accusations against him.

Beyond that, he has to be presumed innocent until proven guilty: he's not even being prosecuted or officially under investigation at this point. If he's ever prosecuted or proven guilty of anything, that would be a different situation. And as another poster alluded, there were many, many other prominent people (including Bill Clinton, Naomi Campbell, Alan Dershowitz and Stephen Hawking) who were involved with Epstein. Epstein had huge social clout with powerful A-listers. Ghislaine Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding, for goodness sake. Yet we only keep hearing about Andrew, likely because he's a royal and therefore his status is (was) higher than all the others. If the FBI actually decides to prosecute all of people who were on that island and were intimate with the young women controlled by Epstein, a lot of famous people are going to go down.

None of that changes Meghan & Harry's issues, though. Saying, "what about Andrew?" when serious problems with this couple are brought up, is like saying, "what about that bank robber?" when one is caught stealing a car. It's just an evasion.