Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[mamamia2005]

I seem to remember when Catherine gave birth to Prince George, on his birth certificate she was listed as a Princess of the United Kingdom - even though she has never been called Princess Catherine.

 

[mamamia2005]

It seems it would be down to the Queen to decide if she would be allowed to be called Princess Meghan

British princess - Wikipedia

 

[Pea-n-Me]

And so it begins. A week of media bits leading up to the infamous Oprah interview next Sunday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-

Over 17K Comments so far, from around the world. Most seem to think this isn’t going to go well and question a lot of the couple’s inconsistencies. “Unsurvivable.” Hmm.

Harry has new things to say about his mother. It strikes me after reading this he is oddly silent about his father. Maybe that is where his real anger lies. (“Mum was all alone.”) That might make more sense to me why he wanted to leave.

Many commenters also noted that Meghans’s looks have changed (aside from her pregnancy). She was a beautiful woman already, without enhancements. But of course she is free to do whatever she wants.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I have never been an Oprah fan. Word has it...she has influenced the couple's decisions since early on. Two hours of H&M whining over how unfair their overprivileged lives are? No thanks!

Are M&H really trying to compare MM to Princess Diana? Newsflash! Diana was beloved by the people while Markle is loathed. Harry is quickly using up all of his warm fuzzies too. Now they are cashing in on his Mum's memory. It is gauche! And the poor Queen with her husband s hospitalization and these two attention seekers... They need to slither under the nearest rock and stay. OMG

 

[cabanafrau]

And so it begins. A week of media bits leading up to the infamous Oprah interview next Sunday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-

Over 17K Comments so far, from around the world. Most seem to think this isn’t going to go well and question a lot of the couple’s inconsistencies. “Unsurvivable.” Hmm.

Harry has new things to say about his mother. It strikes me after reading this he is oddly silent about his father. Maybe that is where his real anger lies. (“Mum was all alone.”) That might make more sense to me why he wanted to leave.

Many commenters also noted that Meghans’s looks have changed (aside from her pregnancy). She was a beautiful woman already, without enhancements. But of course she is free to do whatever she wants.

Do you mean enhancements to her face, like fillers and stuff? To me her face just has that tiny bit less sharply defined look that's really common in pregnancy.

I have no idea what her stance would be on altering her looks, but IMO she's nowhere near the point any reasonable person would consider needing to tweak anything.

 

[mamamia2005]

I have never been an Oprah fan. Word has it...she has influenced the couple's decisions since early on. Two hours of H&M whining over how unfair their overprivileged lives are? No thanks!

Are M&H really trying to compare MM to Princess Diana? Newsflash! Diana was beloved by the people while Markle is loathed. Harry is quickly using up all of his warm fuzzies too. Now they are cashing in on his Mum's memory. It is gauche! And the poor Queen with her husband s hospitalization and these two attention seekers... They need to slither under the nearest rock and stay. OMG

I can fully support Harry's wish to not have his wife and children hounded by the press. And I can understand why he would feel the need to get them away from that.
But for the love that all that is holy, then take them away and keep them away! Don't court the media.

Maybe he should not have married such an attention seeking wannabe!

 

[TipsyTraveler]

And so it begins. A week of media bits leading up to the infamous Oprah interview next Sunday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-

Over 17K Comments so far, from around the world. Most seem to think this isn’t going to go well and question a lot of the couple’s inconsistencies. “Unsurvivable.” Hmm.

Harry has new things to say about his mother. It strikes me after reading this he is oddly silent about his father. Maybe that is where his real anger lies. (“Mum was all alone.”) That might make more sense to me why he wanted to leave.

Many commenters also noted that Meghans’s looks have changed (aside from her pregnancy). She was a beautiful woman already, without enhancements. But of course she is free to do whatever she wants.

If her enhancements left her looking like she’s carrying an extra 30 pounds of pregnancy weight, she should stop going to that plastic surgeon.

In other words, I can’t see where she’s has anything done. She just looks heavier to me.

 

[mamamia2005]

I think Meghan looks fuller in the face. Maybe this is down to her pregnancy, or maybe it's those organic waffles!
Her eye make up has been expertly done for full effect. Maybe she is channelling her late mother in law who also used this technique.

She is a very attractive lady. It's just a shame she doesn't appear to be as lovely inside as out.

 

[Karin1984]

I think Meghan looks fuller in the face. Maybe this is down to her pregnancy, or maybe it's those organic waffles!
Her eye make up has been expertly done for full effect. Maybe she is channelling her late mother in law who also used this technique.

She is a very attractive lady. It's just a shame she doesn't appear to be as lovely inside as out.

I think it's pregnancy weight. And that just happens.

I was more thinking about the display of riches, she is wearing for almost 30.000 GBP ($41.000) on dress, shoes and jewellery. If this is to connect with the people who do not know them... I would have toned it down a bit.

 

[mamamia2005]

The daily mail article states that she is wearing one of Diana's bracelets. But yes I agree, she could have been more considered in her choice of clothing.

 

[Karin1984]

The daily mail article states that she is wearing one of Diana's bracelets. But yes I agree, she could have been more considered in her choice of clothing.

It gives the impression that the US is not even their audience, but the rich & famous of the US/Hollywood.

I don't remember which tabloid did it, and it maybe wasn't very fair, but they showed Harry's picture to some random US citizens living in a random US city. Nobody could identify him without help. Some knew he was from the UK and one even said that he was part of the royal family, but could only say that he wasn't Andrew.
I am trying to remember if they also showed Meghan's picture, but not 100% sure.

 

[cabanafrau]

The daily mail article states that she is wearing one of Diana's bracelets. But yes I agree, she could have been more considered in her choice of clothing.

IMO the whole problem with these two is they spend too much time being very considered in their choices regarding anything public. What they need to focus on is how to be more considerate in regards to the fact that other people have eyes, ears and intelligence and don't like being manipulated, along with being considerate of the idea that other people have perspectives and feelings about the reality of things that are equally valid as theirs.

There is such a thing as feeling a certain way about something, while the reality of the situation is in fact quite different. It's entirely possible that some of the things they have strong feelings about don't correlate to the actual reality of a given situation. It's awfully tough for friends and family to be supportive or give enough or the right kind of support about something if the facts don't agree with someone feeling hurt or upset in a situation.

 

[TheIncredibles!]

We only have one life to live. Let them live their lives with their rules and doing what makes them happy.

Let's not forget Harry has been raised as "The Spare". What does that tell a kid? I cannot imagine raising my kids to believe that one is more important than the other but that is what was done essentially. One had his father, one did not. At least in my opinion. Did Charles spend as much time teaching and guiding Harry through his roles and responsibilities?

Harry has always been a free spirit and that came out because he did not have the burden his brother does. He was raised by a woman that suffered all throughout her marriage and was ultimately killed in the end. No happy ending for Diana. Too late. Can we blame the guy for wanting to stop history from repeating itself with his own family? He lost his "only" parent. Harry has no reason to stay, have his family be run down like that, have his wife portrayed like she is. What kind of a man would allow that? Is that who people want Harry to be? "Hey the paps destroyed my mom and ultimately killed her but let's let them have a go at my wife now too..... "

As for his titles etc. He should keep what he EARNED and lose what he was GIVEN.

The Royal Family IMO is like an ugly antique piece of furniture that nobody wants to throw away but nobody knows what to do with it either IMO.

 

[mamamia2005]

It would be interesting to come back to this thread in say five or ten years time, and see if a) they are still together and b) if the public perception of them has changed.

 

[mamamia2005]

We only have one life to live. Let them live their lives with their rules and doing what makes them happy.

Let's not forget Harry has been raised as "The Spare". What does that tell a kid? I cannot imagine raising my kids to believe that one is more important than the other but that is what was done essentially. One had his father, one did not. At least in my opinion. Did Charles spend as much time teaching and guiding Harry through his roles and responsibilities?

Harry has always been a free spirit and that came out because he did not have the burden his brother does. He was raised by a woman that suffered all throughout her marriage and was ultimately killed in the end. No happy ending for Diana. Too late. Can we blame the guy for wanting to stop history from repeating itself with his own family? He lost his "only" parent. Harry has no reason to stay, have his family be run down like that, have his wife portrayed like she is. What kind of a man would allow that? Is that who people want Harry to be? "Hey the paps destroyed my mom and ultimately killed her but let's let them have a go at my wife now too..... "

As for his titles etc. He should keep what he EARNED and lose what he was GIVEN.

The Royal Family IMO is like an ugly antique piece of furniture that nobody wants to throw away but nobody knows what to do with it either IMO.

I think the problem is two fold for me. They wanted a private life. But court the media, doing two high profile interviews within weeks. That to my mind is not what I would call a private life.

Also, I wouldn't have a problem with them making a go of their new (private) life if they weren't doing it on the back of their titles.
If they were to prove themselves as talented actors, writers, tv presenters, whatever, that would be different. They could make all the money they wanted then. And they would be earning it.
But as it stands at the moment, they are using their royal titles and connections to gain financial rewards.

I think generally here in the UK the monarchy are fairly well thought of. And there is a lot of interest in the monarchy. Maybe its just because its what us Brits are used to!

 

[Tink-osophy]

I can fully support Harry's wish to not have his wife and children hounded by the press. And I can understand why he would feel the need to get them away from that.
But for the love that all that is holy, then take them away and keep them away! Don't court the media.

Yes!

No one deserves to be hounded or stalked by the media, equally no one deserves attention, or positive attention, from the media. The problem is wanting to be in the spotlight in a very manipulated way.

I was more thinking about the display of riches, she is wearing for almost 30.000 GBP ($41.000) on dress, shoes and jewellery. If this is to connect with the people who do not know them... I would have toned it down a bit.

Yikes! If this is true, then yes, that kind of extravagance suggests someone who still really wants to be "royal" in the public eye.

Would she have listened, I wonder, to someone suggesting she tone it down?

Something in that photo above looks, to me, like an actress 'being interviewed'. But it is just a still from a video. It doesn't make me want to watch the interview.

IMO the whole problem with these two is they spend too much time being very considered in their choices regarding anything public. What they need to focus on is how to be more considerate in regards to the fact that other people have eyes, ears and intelligence and don't like being manipulated, along with being considerate of the idea that other people have perspectives and feelings about the reality of things that are equally valid as theirs.

There is such a thing as feeling a certain way about something, while the reality of the situation is in fact quite different. It's entirely possible that some of the things they have strong feelings about don't correlate to the actual reality of a given situation. It's awfully tough for friends and family to be supportive or give enough or the right kind of support about something if the facts don't agree with someone feeling hurt or upset in a situation.

Yes, they appear to have closed their minds down and are stuck in one place. It would be nice, if they're going to continue utilising their public image as they are, if they showed signs of broader mindsets (looking beyond themselves) and that isn't something you can just say you're doing, it has to show!

 

[RedAngie]

I actually think that there is a stipulation that this can NOT happen. To be Princess Whoever, you have to be born into the Royal family. Technically, Diana was Diana, Princess of Wales (not Princess Diana) or Her Royal Highness (while married) but not Princess Diana (despite often being called that).

Or I could be totally making this

Regarding titles/styles.

The somewhat controversial wife of the Queen’s cousin is referred to as Princess Michael of Kent.

How does the wife of someone far removed from the Crown get to use Princess yet Kate and Meghan cannot?

 

[SirDuff]

Regarding titles/styles.

The somewhat controversial wife of the Queen’s cousin is referred to as Princess Michael of Kent.

How does the wife of someone far removed from the Crown get to use Princess yet Kate and Meghan cannot?

No clue

But I wonder if it's because she is Princess Michael (not Princess whatever her first name is). So, maybe Kate would have been able to be Princess William, if she wanted?

 

[cabanafrau]

Regarding titles/styles.

The somewhat controversial wife of the Queen’s cousin is referred to as Princess Michael of Kent.

How does the wife of someone far removed from the Crown get to use Princess yet Kate and Meghan cannot?

According to Wikipedia she's actually as close to the crown as Meghan, via her husband being grandson of a former king, the Queen's grandfather. It says she was given the HRH Princess title when she married to match that of her husband. I don't understand the difference with Meghan, or Kate, not doing the same.

 

[VandVsmama]

They need to walk the talk and quit running to the media to complain about how they don't want media attention. People who really do just want to live their lives peacefully and work on their pet charity projects and all that don't do James Corden interviews and hour-plus-long expose interviews with Oprah.

It's all just so disgusting. Cry me a river. Oh, you live such a hard life in your Montecito mansion there while many people all across the world are out of work right now, maybe struggling with COVID stuff, etc., etc. But sure, let's focus on how hard things are for you, Madam Meghan & Prince Harry. Grow up and get a grip.