Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Boardwalk Jedi]

I remember it quite clearly. I also have some knowledge of the way that access to that family works. Most of the time it's a give-and-take situation that works to the advantage of both parties. Of course, I've always thought that she in particular always seemed bound and determined to make her own life more difficult than it had to be.

Yes, I'm sure Diana agreed to allow photos through a gym window while she was doing chest presses. As for the bolded, you are awfully nasty toward pretty women.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Oh barf...

What exactly are you barfing at?

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

What exactly are you barfing at?

The idea that the queen has this perfectly close, functional family that's being torn apart by Big Bad Meghan.

 

[DisneyKoyote]

Even if it's not hard, it's not something they should do because other people think they "should". If I did everything my in-laws thought I easily could do, I'd be miserable. And again, you make it sound like they need to visit the lonely lady in a nursing home when the royals version of seeing grandma is making an appointment with her secretary and waiting for a formal meeting.

its not something they should do because us plebs think they should do it. They should bc that’s the point of having family. Why would you NOT let your kids hang out w their cousins, aunt, etc when you have the opportunity to. And i consider her less “lonely lady” and more “lady with very limited time left in the world” lol.

 

[gwynne]

its not something they should do because us plebs think they should do it. They should bc that’s the point of having family. Why would you NOT let your kids hang out w their cousins, aunt, etc when you have the opportunity to. And i consider her less “lonely lady” and more “lady with very limited time left in the world” lol.

I agree.
For many folks spending family time with nearly 94 yo grandmother would be a blessing.

 

[kyton]

Boardwalk Jedi, it’s quite amusing to see how you defend Megan to the end of the Earth and yet have nothing but disdain for the Royal Family - if anyone could be accused of being hateful towards someone / something it is you IMO.

Nothing from your posts have anything remotely fair for the family except and only for Duchess of Sussex who apparently can do absolutely no wrong in your view.

And should someone here counter your comments, you shout racism as a reply ad nauseam.

 

[Skywalker]

Boardwalk Jedi, it’s quite amusing to see how you defend Megan to the end of the Earth and yet have nothing but disdain for the Royal Family - if anyone could be accused of being hateful towards someone / something it is you IMO.

Nothing from your posts have anything remotely fair for the family except and only for Duchess of Sussex who apparently can do absolutely no wrong in your view.

And should someone here counter your comments, you shout racism as a reply ad nauseam.

It is true that poster has displayed an incredible amount of disdain and vitriol towards the monarchy in general and the Queen specifically. Maybe that poster can clarify her reasons.. is it jealousy or racism? Apparently it does have to be one of the two.

 

[Skywalker]

One of her MANY trips abroad where her children were left with nannies at home, often for weeks. Let's also not forget her 6 month trip away from her children, either.

Wait, are nannies controversial now lol? Let's drag the Queen into the Mommy Wars! So in addition to being the Queen and Head of State of many countries, head of the church of England, and being on sworn duty 24/7, supporting charities, encouraging diplomatic relations, transitioning governments, and generally just representing the Commonwealth all over the world she also somehow needs to be a full time stay at home mom lol.

 

[Searc]

Wait, are nannies controversial now lol? Let's drag the Queen into the Mommy Wars! So in addition to being the Queen and Head of State of many countries, head of the church of England, and being on sworn duty 24/7, supporting charities, encouraging diplomatic relations, transitioning governments, and generally just representing the Commonwealth all over the world she also somehow needs to be a full time stay at home mom lol.

You don't get to ***** about Harry and Meghan leaving Archie home with nannies, but give the Queen a pass.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

Boardwalk Jedi, it’s quite amusing to see how you defend Megan to the end of the Earth and yet have nothing but disdain for the Royal Family - if anyone could be accused of being hateful towards someone / something it is you IMO.

Nothing from your posts have anything remotely fair for the family except and only for Duchess of Sussex who apparently can do absolutely no wrong in your view.

And should someone here counter your comments, you shout racism as a reply ad nauseam.

I don’t believe I shout racism, but I do have a feeling when people bring up the possibility of racism, it might be too much for some people to consider, so it feels like shouting. Meghan is being attacked by both racists and catty ladies. There’s no denying that.

As for my defense of this girl - it’s because the amount of speculation that she’s this evil, conniving gold digger is pathetic...more pathetic than believing that the royal family was this sweet innocent family that she’s ruining. Andrew is being investigated for sleeping with teenage girls but Meghan is disrespecting the queen? Please.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

It is true that poster has displayed an incredible amount of disdain and vitriol towards the monarchy in general and the Queen specifically. Maybe that poster can clarify her reasons.. is it jealousy or racism? Apparently it does have to be one of the two.

Disdain and vitriol? Nah. Annoyance at grown women acting like mean teenagers trashing this woman based on silly articles quoted by anonymous sources? Yep.

While I do think having a monarchy is stupid, I get that it’s staying and that people get inspired by kind words or presence of certain royal members. But I also appreciate that Charles wants to slim it down so the taxpayers aren’t funding third cousins and I appreciate that William seems to want to modernize it so they could be seen as more useful. Kate, Harry and Meghan rounding out that mission would be great, Harry and Meghan want out of the family business for now. There’s nothing wrong with that. Being unhappy because of family obligations is a recipe for disaster and two of William’s kids will eventually be in the same position as Harry. H&M testing the waters is good for the family and the monarchy. So yes, I have little patience with people crying that Meghan is an awful witch and then hoping she fails as a wife, mother and professional.

As for not bringing baby to the queen, again you don’t know the family dynamics or the environment back in the UK that makes them keep Archie in Canada, so stop acting like they are obligated to do what you say you would do.

 

[cabanafrau]

I think it's surprising that they're not bringing the baby, and a bit sad, for reasons that don't have anything to do with the Queen. I find it surprising because he's so young and both parents are an ocean away. Just something I can't wrap my brain around when there isn't really a barrier I can see to bringing him along.

The part I find sad about not bringing him is that there won't be a get together with Harry, Meghan, William, Kate and the children. There had been a deep bond between the brothers and all of the children are relatively close in age and it seems a shame not to take the opportunity to get them together since it seems the opportunities won't be regular when living at such great distance from each other. Shame on any adults involved who aren't making that a priority for the kids' sake.

 

[Nancyg56]

Disdain and vitriol? Nah. Annoyance at grown women acting like mean teenagers trashing this woman based on silly articles quoted by anonymous sources? Yep.

While I do think having a monarchy is stupid, I get that it’s staying and that people get inspired by kind words or presence of certain royal members. But I also appreciate that Charles wants to slim it down so the taxpayers aren’t funding third cousins and I appreciate that William seems to want to modernize it so they could be seen as more useful. Kate, Harry and Meghan rounding out that mission would be great, Harry and Meghan want out of the family business for now. There’s nothing wrong with that. Being unhappy because of family obligations is a recipe for disaster and two of William’s kids will eventually be in the same position as Harry. H&M testing the waters is good for the family and the monarchy. So yes, I have little patience with people crying that Meghan is an awful witch and then hoping she fails as a wife, mother and professional.

As for not bringing baby to the queen, again you don’t know the family dynamics or the environment back in the UK that makes them keep Archie in Canada, so stop acting like they are obligated to do what you say you would do.

I am always amazed at the anger that is directed at women by women. No matter the family dynamic, if a man (or woman) wants a relationship with his family, he should have it, and if he chooses to opt out, that is on him. If these two want to "step away" from the royal family and their duties, or whatever it is they do, and are trying to set a set of "rules" that benefits them, fine. If those terms backfire, as they seem to have done somewhat, perhaps they should have done a better job of testing the family water. It is still my contention that placing blame on Meghan is silly. She is not leading her husband around by the throat, and if she is, well shame on him. I really hoped that the outdated notion that men do whatever their wives tell them to do was over.

I remember when Diana first married. She was so young and so in love, and so mesmerized by the fantasy she thought she was going to be part of. The disaster that ensued was very public, and since then times have changed. Harry grew up within the confines of the royal family and knew what that meant in terms of responsibility and public behavior. I am pretty darn sure he shared that with Meghan. if she was even a tad confused a simple google search would reveal what she was getting into. I am also pretty sure that both of these two honestly thought that people would view a married couple in the same light and delight as they did the romance of an American woman marrying her Prince Charming. Nope. That bloom wilts pretty fast. IMO both of these people need to grow up and adult.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

I think it's surprising that they're not bringing the baby, and a bit sad, for reasons that don't have anything to do with the Queen. I find it surprising because he's so young and both parents are an ocean away. Just something I can't wrap my brain around when there isn't really a barrier I can see to bringing him along.

The part I find sad about not bringing him is that there won't be a get together with Harry, Meghan, William, Kate and the children. There had been a deep bond between the brothers and all of the children are relatively close in age and it seems a shame not to take the opportunity to get them together since it seems the opportunities won't be regular when living at such great distance from each other. Shame on any adults involved who aren't making that a priority for the kids' sake.

I couldn’t be apart that far from my baby at that age either. But I’m not sure if there would be a get together or not, because it does seem like it was rare to begin with. Not because of family strife, but because it seems the RF does things with weeks of planning in advance. So it’s not like my kids texting their cousins about hanging out tonight.

But I probably empathize with MM wanting to distance herself in order to be in control of her own life. I have a SIL and MIL that would try and guilt me into doing what they wanted at the expense of my sanity, DH’s convenience or our kids well being. Their logic was always “its for the kids, they’re family, grandma is getting old”). We (along with DH’s other brother and his wife) had to separate ourselves - sometimes intentionally - to keep from being manipulated and controlled. Things are great now, but it’s because we sadly had to lay out those ground rules in that matter. I’m not saying Kate or the queen acted like that, but I’m sure some family members or high ranking staff are similar.

 

[DisneyKoyote]

As for not bringing baby to the queen, again you don’t know the family dynamics or the environment back in the UK that makes them keep Archie in Canada, so stop acting like they are obligated to do what you say you would do.

You're right that we don't know. Maybe you're right it is family dynamics/the environment in UK. Or maybe others were right that Meghan is a selfish and entitled brat and is doing this out of pure spite. Who knows. All we see are the actions not always the thought process

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

You're right that we don't know. Maybe it is family dynamics/the environment in UK. Or maybe everyone was right that Meghan is a selfish and entitled brat and is doing this out of pure spite. Who knows. All we see are the actions not always the thought process

I still don’t get how one jumps to the spoiled brat theory.

 

[cabanafrau]

I couldn’t be apart that far from my baby at that age either. But I’m not sure if there would be a get together or not, because it does seem like it was rare to begin with. Not because of family strife, but because it seems the RF does things with weeks of planning in advance. So it’s not like my kids texting their cousins about hanging out tonight.

But I probably empathize with MM wanting to distance herself in order to be in control of her own life. I have a SIL and MIL that would try and guilt me into doing what they wanted at the expense of my sanity, DH’s convenience or our kids well being. Their logic was always “its for the kids, they’re family, grandma is getting old”). We (along with DH’s other brother and his wife) had to separate ourselves - sometimes intentionally - to keep from being manipulated and controlled. Things are great now, but it’s because we sadly had to lay out those ground rules in that matter. I’m not saying Kate or the queen acted like that, but I’m sure some family members or high ranking staff are similar.

Royal calendars are a thing, that's true enough. I don't believe that there's no way to work in a get together of some configuration of the parents/children if that were a genuine wish. Not bringing him on the trip at all removes all possibility. I do find that sad for the kids, especially when for the foreseeable future they will be living an ocean apart. Cousin bonds can be beyond special.

I have my own understanding of how important it can be to distance from controlling and toxic inlaws that will never be pleased with anything you do or don't do. In this circumstance I don't empathize with Meghan about the idea of not bringing Archie to keep boundaries. They are leaving royal duty and have moved an ocean away. Mission accomplished on distancing herself. That has zero to do with leaving the baby behind while they make this trip. I don't see the need to make anyone else responsible for the choice they're free to make.

 

[DisneyKoyote]

I still don’t get how one jumps to the spoiled brat theory.

Well everything people mention on this thread could point to spoiled brat theory. Here's what Ive been hearing people say:
-Harry said 'what Meghan wants, Meghan gets'.
- Lectures the public on climate change but has taken a private jet multiple times.
-Announcing their royal leave without letting their family know they were going public.

There's obviously plenty more. Maybe there's legitimate reasoning behind these, or maybe she's just actually a terrible person. We will never know...

 

[Moliphino]

Well everything people mention on this thread could point to spoiled brat theory. Here's what Ive been hearing people say:
-Harry said 'what Meghan wants, Meghan gets'. - Is this really that unusual for a groom to say when planning a wedding?
- Lectures the public on climate change but has taken a private jet multiple times. - So has Harry. Why is this all being blamed on her?
-Announcing their royal leave without letting their family know they were going public. - That was the both of them, not Meghan alone. Again, why is all the blame on her? It's HIS family, shouldn't he take more of the heat?

Maybe there's legitimate reasoning behind these, or maybe she's just actually a terrible person. We will never know...

 

[DisneyKoyote]

Yep Harry has done all those things too. He could've done it willingly or it could all be meghan pushing for it and harry going along with it. Or maybe harry thought Meghan is his ticket out of his royal life and is actually the one using her. I was agreeing with boardwalk Jedi that we don't know the underlying reasons for most of their actions. I was commenting that most people would bring their child if their aging grandmother hasn't seen the child in a while (especially if the logistics are simple given her wealth and status), but as for the actual reason why she didn't bring him, we cannot be certain of.