Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Pea-n-Me]

I see your point. As for me being pro-Meghan, I'm not so sure if it's that as much as it is anti-busy body bullies.

I don’t think millions of people are busy-body bullies! Yes, Im sure there some people who don’t know much and believe every word they read in every place. But there are lots and lots more who have followed this for a long time, probably back to Diana days before Harry was even born, and have kept a keen interest in him and his brother because of the tragic nature of their story, not just with Diana’s death, but with the divorce of their parents and how they grew up very privileged, but in the fishbowl of the spotlight, etc.

I think it’s probably safe to say that most can discern what they see and read, and likely have numerous sources they get their information from. It seems like there are some who picture a bunch of toothless hags sitting around a sewing circle throwing daggers at pictures of Meghan! I mean, give people a little credit for knowing their subject and often giving M&H the benefit of the doubt, especially prior to the past few months or so.

I started following Diana’s story when she was first dating Charles and that was in 1980, so for the past 40 years. We were contemporaries, and I was pretty devastated at her death. (It didn’t help that I was very heavily pregnant with twins the night she died.) I stayed up all night glued to the news, bawling my eyes out when word filtered out she had passed away, leaving her young sons without their amazing mother , just as many other millions of people around the world did, too. So many of us were rooting for her boys to find success and happiness - certainly not waiting to tear them or their wives and children down. We held our breath for Harry when he was growing up but realized he was his own person and didn’t have the responsibilities that William had, and that he would hopefully find his way some day. I’m sure most still feel that way but also have the right to feel that some of the way he and his wife went about things left a lot to be desired in a lot of ways. That is all. I honestly hope he’s found or going to find what he’s been looking for and wish him well on his journey.

I don’t feel nearly as strongly about Meghan because, well, I haven’t “known” her as long, nor have I really liked many of her actions. It’s almost unbelievable how much havoc she’s wreaked since she came on scene, and I think it gives the people of the UK another reason to dislike us dreadful Americans. They legendarily resented Wallis Simpson back in the 30s and beyond but Meghan almost makes her look like a saint given her track record. I don’t really see her as a good role model for young women to follow, but that’s just my take from what I know about her over the past couple of years or so, not just what’s been in the news for the past week. (And not to be fooled by her current staged visits to soup kitchens. One visit to her father would’ve meant more to me than a dozen visits to soup kitchens!) If people feel differently, then more power to them. Perhaps definitions and mores have changed, or I’m just old and out of touch. But something tells me not.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Unfortunately, I've been busy and haven't been able to keep up with what's been going on. A while ago, I had to Google even what the OP was about. And by the time I get around to watching TMZ, which is a couple days later, this thread has advanced forward by several page each time. I hate posting to a thread not knowing whats already been covered or not. And I hate not knowing the full scoop or how accurate the info is we've been reading.


BTW, I don't know if anyone else has said this yet: TMZ is going to have a 2 hour(?) TMZ Special on Harry & Megan in a couple weeks. Something like Wed, Jan 29, in the evening. They said so much has been going on and is going on, that it's taking TMZ that long to put the special together.

Since TMZ is pretty good on getting the full scoop on stuff and being accurate, I may wait till I see the special before jumping in & posting my thoughts & opinions.

And that I look forward to!

 

[Disney Doll]

I don’t think millions of people are busy-body bullies! Yes, Im sure there some people who don’t know much and believe every word they read in every place. But there are lots and lots more who have followed this for a long time, probably back to Diana days before Harry was even born, and have kept a keen interest in him and his brother because of the tragic nature of their story, not just with Diana’s death, but with the divorce of their parents and how they grew up very privileged, but in the fishbowl of the spotlight, etc.

I think it’s probably safe to say that most can discern what they see and read, and likely have numerous sources they get their information from. It seems like there are some who picture a bunch of toothless hags sitting around a sewing circle throwing daggers at pictures of Meghan! I mean, give people a little credit for knowing their subject and often giving M&H the benefit of the doubt, especially prior to the past few months or so.

I started following Diana’s story when she was first dating Charles and that was in 1980, so for the past 40 years. We were contemporaries, and I was pretty devastated at her death. (It didn’t help that I was very heavily pregnant with twins the night she died.) I stayed up all night glued to the news, bawling my eyes out when word filtered out she had passed away, leaving her young sons without their amazing mother , just as many other millions of people around the world did, too. So many of us were rooting for her boys to find success and happiness - certainly not waiting to tear them or their wives and children down. We held our breath for Harry when he was growing up but realized he was his own person and didn’t have the responsibilities that William had, and that he would hopefully find his way some day. I’m sure most still feel that way but also have the right to feel that some of the way he and his wife went about things left a lot to be desired in a lot of ways. That is all. I honestly hope he’s found or going to find what he’s been looking for and wish him well on his journey.

I don’t feel nearly as strongly about Meghan because, well, I haven’t “known” her as long, nor have I really liked many of her actions. It’s almost unbelievable how much havoc she’s wreaked since she came on scene, and I think it gives the people of the UK another reason to dislike us dreadful Americans. They legendarily resented Wallis Simpson back in the 30s and beyond but Meghan almost makes her look like a saint given her track record. I don’t really see her as a good role model for young women to follow, but that’s just my take from what I know about her over the past couple of years or so, not just what’s been in the news for the past week. (And not to be fooled by her current staged visits to soup kitchens. One visit to her father would’ve meant more to me than a dozen visits to soup kitchens!) If people feel differently, then more power to them. Perhaps definitions and mores have changed, or I’m just old and out of touch. But something tells me not.

Very well said. Harry has always been a “you do you” kind of guy because he didn’t really have the specter of “you will be king someday” hanging over him. The closest he ever was to the throne was #3 and let’s face it, there’d have to be a pretty big tragedy of his father and brother getting killed for him to suddenly have to be king.

He had always been close to the family though. He, William and Catherine were a close knit group for many years and when they appeared together you could see it. He was always respectful of the Queen and the monarchy.

Many of us have experienced “losing” a brother when they married because their wife didn’t want to assimilate into the family. And I don’t mean ignore the new family being created and just do everything his family wanted. Ive seen too many times where the guy gets married, the wife slowly “removes” him from his birth family. It’s sad on many levels. It’s sad that a woman would do that and it’s sad that the man would allow it to happen.

My guess is that what’s going to happen is that slowly over time they will spend less time in England and more time in Canada and the United States (once there’s a President in place that is more to their liking ). They’ll go to England for the big things (deaths, weddings) and he may go there alone sometime but I doubt we'll see Meghan in England all that often.

And frankly, it disappoints me that for all the talk of her being a strong independent modern woman that all she’s basically done (or Harry has done for her) is whine about how hard her life has been since she met him. . She knew she was marrying into an institution, despite her protests that she “didn’t know much”. She hasn’t lived under a rock for the past 20 years. She was a teenager when Diana died. She couldn’t have missed ALL the coverage. She lived in Canada...a Commonwealth country. Several royal rules got bent for her since they’ve met.

Strong and independent? Neither of them are IMHO. Right now they strike me as a couple of whiny babies who want the benefits of the high life without the responsibilities. Harry’s BS excuse if “ I saw what the press did to my mother”...does he think the press is going to stop chasing them because they’re in Canada? Or the US? Unless they plan to stay sequestered in a compound somewhere and never venture out into public, they will be dealing with the press. And never venturing out into public doesn’t fit well with their stated desire to do good with the causes they support.

And frankly, the RF is being nicer than I would have been. My statement would have been “if you want to be independent then be independent. No money from Daddy or anyone else”.

I wouldn’t be letting Frogmore cottage sit vacant just waiting for the 2 weeks per years that they decided to grace me with their presence either. When they came to visit, I’d find room for them somewhere...whatever space happened to be available in whatever palace. I’m sure they could suffer through it for a couple of weeks.

It’s disappointing.

 

[Searc]

Very well said. Harry has always been a “you do you” kind of guy because he didn’t really have the specter of “you will be king someday” hanging over him. The closest he ever was to the throne was #3 and let’s face it, there’d have to be a pretty big tragedy of his father and brother getting killed for him to suddenly have to be king.

He had always been close to the family though. He, William and Catherine were a close knit group for many years and when they appeared together you could see it. He was always respectful of the Queen and the monarchy.

Many of us have experienced “losing” a brother when they married because their wife didn’t want to assimilate into the family. And I don’t mean ignore the new family being created and just do everything his family wanted. Ive seen too many times where the guy gets married, the wife slowly “removes” him from his birth family. It’s sad on many levels. It’s sad that a woman would do that and it’s sad that the man would allow it to happen.

My guess is that what’s going to happen is that slowly over time they will spend less time in England and more time in Canada and the United States (once there’s a President in place that is more to their liking ). They’ll go to England for the big things (deaths, weddings) and he may go there alone sometime but I doubt we'll see Meghan in England all that often.

And frankly, it disappoints me that for all the talk of her being a strong independent modern woman that all she’s basically done (or Harry has done for her) is whine about how hard her life has been since she met him. . She knew she was marrying into an institution, despite her protests that she “didn’t know much”. She hasn’t lived under a rock for the past 20 years. She was a teenager when Diana died. She couldn’t have missed ALL the coverage. She lived in Canada...a Commonwealth country. Several royal rules got bent for her since they’ve met.

Strong and independent? Neither of them are IMHO. Right now they strike me as a couple of whiny babies who want the benefits of the high life without the responsibilities. Harry’s BS excuse if “ I saw what the press did to my mother”...does he think the press is going to stop chasing them because they’re in Canada? Or the US? Unless they plan to stay sequestered in a compound somewhere and never venture out into public, they will be dealing with the press. And never venturing out into public doesn’t fit well with their stated desire to do good with the causes they support.

And frankly, the RF is being nicer than I would have been. My statement would have been “if you want to be independent then be independent. No money from Daddy or anyone else”.

I wouldn’t be letting Frogmore cottage sit vacant just waiting for the 2 weeks per years that they decided to grace me with their presence either. When they came to visit, I’d find room for them somewhere...whatever space happened to be available in whatever palace. I’m sure they could suffer through it for a couple of weeks.

It’s disappointing.

How often do you think the Queen's multiple residences are used? And William and Catherine's? And Charles and Camilla? They all have multiple houses/properties that sit vacant a majority of the year without them in residence.

 

[mousefan73]

How often do you think the Queen's multiple residences are used? And William and Catherine's? And Charles and Camilla? They all have multiple houses/properties that sit vacant a majority of the year without them in residence.

But they are all in the U.K and that is the difference. Also many times open to the public as historical blgs when not in use. Not like Charles has a 5 th Ave apartment or a house in the Hollywood hills. Had Harry gotten a country home in BFE in Scottland who knows where to escape to,there wouldn’t be the out rage.

 

[snappy]

The queen wishes Harry and Meghan well with their independence and new life. So do I. I hope they live well and prosper. I don’t see this move garnering them a life with less “scrutiny” (the word used in the queen’s message), but time will tell. Exit stage left.

 

[Skywalker]

Please explain?

Didn't you get the memo? Because some racists famously used the "some of my best friends are black" excuse, apparently that means that YOU personally must be racist if you are mentioning your black friend. So I think, you are not allowed to have a black best friend. At least, not that you mention publicly! Best just stick to white friends, or keep the black ones on the down low! (Some people don't truly care about racism or not racism or any nuances in between - they just want to play gotcha).

 

[Disney Doll]

How often do you think the Queen's multiple residences are used? And William and Catherine's? And Charles and Camilla? They all have multiple houses/properties that sit vacant a majority of the year without them in residence.

And they are all in the U.K. and working, contributing members of the RF. They’re not off in another country in their safe space.

 

[tcufrog]

You are right about that. But it’s so easy to pull out the R card. It’s funny that it’s mostly white people that pull out that card. It’s tiring actually and really does nothing, except perpetuate racism. My best friend is black. He happens to be tired of it. He actually laughs about.

My best friend is also black but I would never claim to speak for black people or even my best friend as a black person. I think my best friend would find that insulting and offensive. Just because you know a black person doesn't mean you know what it's like to be black and can speak to what it's like to be black.

 

[ronandannette]

So why are Andrew's princesses HRH? Time to get rid of those two. Although their probably jumping up and down raising their hands saying "Can I take Harry's place, pleeeeeeease?"

Why would you say this? It seems rather mean-spirited. I can’t find any reference to them actually being styled HRH - it’s not customary that they would be, as female grandchildren. They are also apparently NOT on the public dole, although both of them do have some official Royal patronages. Not sure why you are hostile towards them - other than perhaps a few unfortunate millinery choices they have lived fairly demurely without bringing disrepute on The Firm. Their only “sins” are having been born to a flake of a mother and a closet-miscreant of a father. Hardly their faults.

They currently seem to have rather ordinary, if decidedly upper-crust lives which include gainful employment:
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/money/a23723800/princess-beatrice-princess-eugenie-jobs/

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

And they are all in the U.K. and working, contributing members of the RF. They’re not off in another country in their safe space.

What exactly is the work? Showing up in nice clothes with everyone catering to you, cutting a ribbon, taking a pictures, leaving. Repeat process at a different location three weeks later. C'mon here.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

Why would you say this? It seems rather mean-spirited. I can’t find any reference to them actually being styled HRH - it’s not customary that they would be, as female grandchildren. They are also apparently NOT on the public dole, although both of them do have some official Royal patronages. Not sure why you are hostile towards them - other than perhaps a few unfortunate millinery choices they have lived fairly demurely without bringing disrepute on The Firm. Their only “sins” are having been born to a flake of a mother and a closet-miscreant of a father. Hardly their faults.

They currently seem to have rather ordinary, if decidedly upper-crust lives which include gainful employment:
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/money/a23723800/princess-beatrice-princess-eugenie-jobs/

They were on the dole until a few years ago. They are HRH's also. I think they are a prime example of why you shouldn't keep "spares". Andrew has been pushing of them to be full time working royals, but Charles appears to phasing them out. The younger one appears to have a job while the other seems to be searching for what she wants. Andrew should have done what his sister did and let his girls carve their own path.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

Very well said. Harry has always been a “you do you” kind of guy because he didn’t really have the specter of “you will be king someday” hanging over him. The closest he ever was to the throne was #3 and let’s face it, there’d have to be a pretty big tragedy of his father and brother getting killed for him to suddenly have to be king.

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It’s disappointing.

I don’t think millions of people are busy-body bullies! Yes, Im sure there some people who don’t know much and believe every word they read in every place. But there are lots and lots more who have followed this for a long time, probably back to Diana days before Harry was even born, and have kept a keen interest in him and his brother because of the tragic nature of their story, not just with Diana’s death, but with the divorce of their parents and how they grew up very privileged, but in the fishbowl of the spotlight, etc.

I think it’s probably safe to say that most can discern what they see and read, and likely have numerous sources they get their information from. It seems like there are some who picture a bunch of toothless hags sitting around a sewing circle throwing daggers at pictures of Meghan! I mean, give people a little credit for knowing their subject and often giving M&H the benefit of the doubt, especially prior to the past few months or so.

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Well, it's official. I'm the only nurse here who realizes I am not part of this family and don't need to feel insulted over what I think other people are up to. Love you guys, but pick up an extra shift. You're way too invested in this family.

 

[tcufrog]

I don’t feel nearly as strongly about Meghan because, well, I haven’t “known” her as long, nor have I really liked many of her actions. It’s almost unbelievable how much havoc she’s wreaked since she came on scene, and I think it gives the people of the UK another reason to dislike us dreadful Americans. They legendarily resented Wallis Simpson back in the 30s and beyond but Meghan almost makes her look like a saint given her track record. I don’t really see her as a good role model for young women to follow, but that’s just my take from what I know about her over the past couple of years or so, not just what’s been in the news for the past week. (And not to be fooled by her current staged visits to soup kitchens. One visit to her father would’ve meant more to me than a dozen visits to soup kitchens!) If people feel differently, then more power to them. Perhaps definitions and mores have changed, or I’m just old and out of touch. But something tells me not.

Really? Wallis encouraged her husband to spend time with Nazis.

 

[gwynne]

Well, it's official. I'm the only nurse here who realizes I am not part of this family and don't need to feel insulted over what I think other people are up to. Love you guys, but pick up an extra shift. You're way too invested in this family.

I think the vast majority of folks on this thread are respectfully sharing thoughts and opinions. And that is perfectly ok.

 

[Skywalker]

Sounds good. Personally, I think the entire family should lose their HRH standing. Having to bow to anyone is an insult to humanity. "Your highness"?....oh, bite me.

Since this is your feeling on the matter, I guess it is lucky that your country doesn't have a monarchy! Guess you don't have to worry about it then! Your passion about it is hi-larious though.

 

[dish rag]

My best friend is also black but I would never claim to speak for black people or even my best friend as a black person. I think my best friend would find that insulting and offensive. Just because you know a black person doesn't mean you know what it's like to be black and can speak to what it's like to be black.

Never said I did.

 

[dish rag]

Didn't you get the memo? Because some racists famously used the "some of my best friends are black" excuse, apparently that means that YOU personally must be racist if you are mentioning your black friend. So I think, you are not allowed to have a black best friend. At least, not that you mention publicly! Best just stick to white friends, or keep the black ones on the down low! (Some people don't truly care about racism or not racism or any nuances in between - they just want to play gotcha).

I see. Had no idea really.

 

[luvsJack]

My best friend is also black but I would never claim to speak for black people or even my best friend as a black person. I think my best friend would find that insulting and offensive. Just because you know a black person doesn't mean you know what it's like to be black and can speak to what it's like to be black.

If you read what the pp actually said, they said that their friend is tired of it and laughs at it. Perhaps the friend has actually told the pp how he feels. Instead of the usual assumption of being spoken for. And the pp never said they know what it’s like to be black. Gee whiz. Talk about reaching or fishing.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

Since this is your feeling on the matter, I guess it is lucky that your country doesn't have a monarchy! Guess you don't have to worry about it then! Your passion about it is hi-larious though.

Nah. I worry more about fellow human beings who have nothing better to do that trash a young couple.