Is GAC right for our son?

Andyjo0930

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I'm relatively new to these boards and I came across the disability threads and found information on the GAC cards. I have been to Disney numerous times and have never even heard of them. My son is 5. He has been diagnosed with Autism. He can talk (though sometimes I am the only one who knows what he is saying.) Our main concern with him is the waiting in lines. He has a very limited attention span and after standing in lines for more than 10 minutes he starts becoming very aggitated. He will hold your hand, but he will try to get away, he starts kicking his legs (to him its just playing). He will make noises and become very unruly. He just doesn't understand that he has to wait. I've had a few instances where he was waiting in line at the pharmacy and accidentally kicked a woman (he was holding my hand and he told me was dancing.) She did not see it that way and we ended up having words. I would like to try to avoid these instances. He can wait in lines for probably 15 minutes but anything longer than that we would have problems with. Also, my other concern is things we have to sit and get a spot for hours beforehand like the parades, illuminations, fantasmic, etc. We brought him when he was 3 (didn't know about GAC back then) and we brought him to the parade in MK. He absolutely enjoyed the parade, and he sat there and clapped his hands and danced along and loved it, so I would hate for him to miss it, BUT the waiting was crazy. He was jumping up and down and wouldn't stay in his stroller, and was crying, and making noises, and he didn't talk back then, so it was even harder. I had a gentleman make a comment to me that "I should DO something about my son." Is it possible that we could watch the parades and such in a handicapp section so that we wouldn't have to get there so early before a show? Thanks in advance for any help anybody can give me.
 
A GAC won't help with parades. You need a large family contingent to stake out a place and later you bring your son.

A GAC is not intended to reduce waiting time although sometimes it does when the CM's don't examine it really closely.

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My advice (as the parent of two DSs (7 and almost 9) with autism, one profound) is when you go to Guest Services, take your son with you and be very specific as to his behaviors in crowded situations with long waits. If the line at Guest Services is long, you might have a visual to go with your narrative. Explain his behaviors in detail (and your anecdotal pharmacy story is one most of us with autistic children can empathize with, including "having words" with ignorant idiots ;) .) I believe the last thing Disney wants is bad publicity or worse, e.g., lawsuits (civil or ADA enforcement), and will provide appropriate accommodation for your son's needs. If you do not feel the CM at the desk fully understands, then ask for an area manager.

Many people, including purportedly "trained" Disney staff, do not understand the full implications of the ADA when it comes to disabilities such as profound autism; for some individuals, waiting, even in an alternate "quiet" area makes an attraction inaccessible. Asking someone with autism to "learn to wait" is like asking the blind to see or deaf to hear - that part of the brain is just not there, and even intensive ABA from an early age may not make it suddenly appear (we know from experience.) Thus, providing accommodations such as expedited access is "equal" not "superior" access, as it allows for actual access. In our case, it also protects other Disney guests from our son's potentially injurious reactions, which is probably only going to get more serious as he gets bigger (he's only 45" and 50lbs right now.)

Due to recent unethical behavior regarding GACs, e.g, selling them on EBay, you may find people a bit reluctant to discuss the details openly. Please feel free to PM me, or the moderators, if you have specific questions.

Hope you all have a wonderful trip.
 
If you time it right, use FP, & have a plan...you won't have to worry about lines.

I highly recommend going during one of the slower times of the year
We went from May 11-19 of this month, & there were hardly any lines to speak of. We never waited 15 minutes for any attraction.
 

If you haven't checked out the disABILITIES FAQs thread, there is a section in there about GACs. One of the things that might be helpful for you would be to be able to use the stroller as a wheelchair (there is information about that in the disABILITIES FAQs thread).
For the parades, you would probably be better off having some of your family stake out a spot for you. Someone can walk around with your son and bring him a short time before the parade starts. Our experience with the parade and Illuminations handicapped viewing areas is that you need to be there early and, once you are in, you can't leave or your space may not be there when you return. That didn't work out at all for my DD. Plus, they parked all the wheelchairs in a row along the front 'edge' of the viewing spot. DD's wheelchair was right next to (touching) the wheelchairs on either side of her.
There is no way to tell whether or not the area will be busy or how early you would need to be there.
 
I don't know if this is an option for your son, but I've also heard of people renting the Disney strollers and getting a GAC to allow them to use it as a wheelchair (which will allow you to take it into lineups). The strollers provide a bit of isolation and allow the child to remain more calm. Don't know if this would work for you, but it's something to try!

Also, like another poster said, if you're going during a slow time you will probably not have to worry about lineups at all. Between the crowd levels and using fastpasses the only ride me and DBF waited more than 10 minutes for last September was Dumbo.
 
I have just responded to a similar post. However, I thought I would repeat our experiences with our DD and the GAC. I completely empathize with the struggles you have experienced with your son's behavior. We have had similar experiences to the one you have described at the pharmacy.

We attempted a trip to DW without a GAC on our first visit (trying to use many of the strategies mentioned by other posters to help her with waiting in lines) and it was a disaster for the entire family! She simply could not wait in lines for extended periods. We finally went to Guest Services and explained our difficulties and a CM happily gave us a GAC. The GAC saved our trip! We had an amazing time and we even saw improvements while there and when we returned. It is because of the GAC that we will continue to return to DW for our vacations. We are so grateful that Disney understands the challenges of traveling with a disability and is willing to accomodate families in this way. We also used the Tour Guide Mike touring plans which were wonderful, as we avoided the most crowded parks and areas.

Although some may feel that your child may not need a GAC, I would trust your own judgement. Only you know your child's needs and what will be best for your family. Most of my daughter's disabilities are "invisible" and it has taken me a long time to accept the fact that she requires assistance at times and deserves it just as anyone who has a visible injury does. Everyone deserves to enjoy the magic, some just require a bit of help!

It sounds like requesting a GAC for your son would be completely appropriate. I agree with a previous poster's suggestion to bring your son with you while making a request. We have always encountered at least a short wait at Guest Services, and the CM is able to see first-hand what a struggle it is for our DD to wait in line, stand still, etc..


Our GAC also allowed us to use DD's stroller as a wheelchair, which came in handy at times. It provided a secure place for her to remain as we entered a ride/show. She was able to continue playing with her Leapster, watch a DVD, color, etc. while we proceeded through the line. So, if she was content at the beginning of a line, we would continue without removing her from the stroller. This also helped a lot with defining her personal space. We used our own stroller, as she was comfortable with it, but you could also rent one. The GAC pass is simply stamped to allow such access with a stroller.

Best wishes for a wonderful trip!
 
I agree with a previous poster's suggestion to bring your son with you while making a request.
They will generally only issue a GAC if the person it is being requested for is with you. The GAC is actually issued to the person with needs related to their disability, so that person needs to be present to get one.
 
If you do not feel the CM at the desk fully understands, then ask for an area manager.

Many people, including purportedly "trained" Disney staff, do not understand the full implications of the ADA when it comes to disabilities such as profound autism; for some individuals, waiting, even in an alternate "quiet" area makes an attraction inaccessible. Asking someone with autism to "learn to wait" is like asking the blind to see or deaf to hear - that part of the brain is just not there, and even intensive ABA from an early age may not make it suddenly appear (we know from experience.) Thus, providing accommodations such as expedited access is "equal" not "superior" access, as it allows for actual access.

Hope you all have a wonderful trip.[/QUOTE]


I just wanted to say
THANK YOU
for saying this so well. I wish I could print this out, carry it with me and just HAND it out to people that are truly uneducated about this situation, but certainly opinionated!
 
Thank you everybody for responding and giving us some very helpful tips. We are going to try to get him the GAC card and we will see how it goes. Our trip is in August (week before free dining starts), so hopefully it won't be too crowded (some kids in the south are already back to school by then.) Thanks again and after our trip I'll let everybody know how we made out!
 
Hope you have a great time.
I have a teenager with Aspergers and the GAC just saved our vacation. We never had to wait more than a few minutes and we had a wonderful time. If we had not had the GAC our vacation would have been incredibly stressful and my son would have ended up missing out on most of the rides. I found the CMs very helpful and understanding of my sons condition.
 
You should be aware that even though people have posted they had short waits, there may sometimes be a wait or you may be asked to come back later. That can happen if there is no CM free to take you to an alternate area or if there are too many other people with special needs already in the waiting area. Also, because of emergency evacuation reasons, there are sometimes limits on the number of people with special needs who can be on an attraction at the same time. If the attraction is already at the limit, the next group that comes will need to wait.

Also, because of those factors, you can sometimes be treated one way at an attraction and be treated a different way at the same attraction later.
 
Many people, including purportedly "trained" Disney staff, do not understand the full implications of the ADA when it comes to disabilities such as profound autism; for some individuals, waiting, even in an alternate "quiet" area makes an attraction inaccessible. Asking someone with autism to "learn to wait" is like asking the blind to see or deaf to hear - that part of the brain is just not there, and even intensive ABA from an early age may not make it suddenly appear (we know from experience.) Thus, providing accommodations such as expedited access is "equal" not "superior" access, as it allows for actual access. In our case, it also protects other Disney guests from our son's potentially injurious reactions, which is probably only going to get more serious as he gets bigger (he's only 45" and 50lbs right now.)

Due to recent unethical behavior regarding GACs, e.g, selling them on EBay, you may find people a bit reluctant to discuss the details openly. Please feel free to PM me, or the moderators, if you have specific questions.

Hope you all have a wonderful trip.
I want to point out that the ADA does not guarantee that everything will be totally accessible for everyone with every disability.
It guarantees "Reasonable accomodation". What that means is not black and white. What is reasonable accomodation for one person may not totally meet the needs of another person (or may not meet their needs at all).
And, as many people have posted on this board over the years, what they (or their child) needs as accomodation might vary - for example, if the person with a disability is having a good day, they may be able to use Fastpasses in the same way as a person without a disability. On a bad day (whatever 'bad' means to that person), they may not.
Or, if going when the park is not busy, the regular lines may be only a 5-10 minute wait, so they may be able to get by without using a GAC at all on those days/for those attractions.

The easiest way to illustrate reasonable accomodation is by looking at wheelchair accessibility because that is more black and white. It either is accessible or not. (And, before anyone flames me for looking at wheelchair accessibility, I am NOT saying that people with physical disabilities are any more 'deserving' of accomodation than other people - I am ONLY saying that it's easier to use as an illustration).

The ADA provides certain space and other requirements for the boarding area for attractions where a transfer to a ride car is necessary. For some people, that accomodation is reasonable because they are able to use it to board. For other people, the accomodation that is offered doesn't help them at all because the type of transfer they can do doesn't mesh with the accomodation that is offered. So, even though that ride may meet ADA requirements, it is inaccessible to them.
There are many people who can't transfer at all, so all the attractions that require tranfers are inaccessible to them, but still meet the current ADA requirements.
There are some ride cars that are wheelchair accessible, if the wheelchair fits. Many people have posted that their individual wheelchair did not fit the space available and they were not able to transfer to a manual wheelchair available at that attraction, so it was not accessible to them, even though the wheelchair accessible ride car did meet all the ADA requirements.

If the ADA guaranteed that nothing was inaccessible to anyone, they would not be able to use ride cars that required a transfer and all ride cars would be required to be wheelchair accessible to all wheelchairs.

The reason I'm writing this is to make sure people realize that just because you need a particular accomodation does not mean that it will always be provided. WDW does a pretty good job of making thing accessible to people with a myriad of different needs, but that does not mean everything is always equally accessible or even that the same attraction is always equally accessible on different visits.
For example, people have complained sometimes that "I went on xxxxxx and showed my GAC and the CM let me go thru the Fastpass line. Later in the day, I came back to xxxxxxxx. When I showed my GAC, the CM gave me a slip with a return time and told me I would have to come back after that time. I told him I had been thru the Fastpass line before, but he wouldn't listen." Sometimes people have posted that happened with a wheelchair or other visible disability when they did not have a GAC.
It might be that one of the CMs (either the first or the second) didn't follow the correct procedure.
It might also be that there were other things that were not visible to the guest. For example - the first CM gave expidited access because he knew that there were no other guests with special needs waiting and it met the needs of the guest and the attraction to board that way. The second CM might have known that the attraction was already at the limit for people with special needs (either physical space or fire and safety evacuation rules). Even though there might be someone who needed expidited access, it was not able to be provided right then.

So, my final message is;
  • go to Guest Relations and explain to them what needs you have.
    If the person you are talking to doesn't seem to understand what you are saying, ask to speak to a supervisor.
  • If the GAc you are using doesn't meet your needs, go back to Guest Relations and be ready to explain what happened and why you don't feel it met your needs.
  • At the individual attractions, if the CM is asking you to do something different, most will explain why if you ask. (That's how I found out about things like safety needs that I listed above, either the CM told us without asking or we found out by talking to CMs.)
  • If the CM is asking you to do something you feel is unreasonable, calmly explain why you can't follow that direction and if necessary, ask to speak to their manager.
    This has happened to us and to several other posters at Splash Mountain. There is an area where the main line (Fastpass and regular line) reaches a stairway and there is a chained off area with a wheelchair symbol. We waited at the chained off area since we had a wheelchair and could not go up the steps. When the CM came, she told us we would have to follow the regular line - since that was something we clearly could not do, we told her we could not go up the steps. She said she could not let us into the wheelchair area because we would be 'cutting' the line. We did get the manager to agree that we could not physically go up the stairs and she let us thru.
    Did the first CM have a reason that she wasn't telling (like the waiting area beyond the chain and down the hall was already full)? I don't think so, so she was just a clueless CM, but in most cases of truely clueless CMs, the manager will be able to intervene or give you a valid reason for the action.
 












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