Is Coronavirus affecting your travel plans?

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It is very easy to test for flu so I have a hard time believing that.

Access to a flu test does not translate into actually being tested.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

Each and every one of them - these are long term employees with confident voices, and all know they are under no obligation. This trip is a perk, not a obligation.

Dude, Are you hiring?
Oh, that's right you've probably seen some of my posts.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

Access to a flu test does not translate into actually being tested.

I realize that. My response was in relation to flu related deaths. I would certainly think that anyone whose death was ruled "flu related" was tested.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I realize that. My response was in relation to flu related deaths. I would certainly think that anyone whose death was ruled "flu related" was tested.

Please see my post to the other poster.

That's inaccurate--children deaths are different as states have to report such information and yet are still an estimate for some of the very reasons why adult deaths are.

If you'd like more information on it here's this: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/why-cdc-estimates.htm

Here's key information:

"CDC does not know the exact number of flu illnesses, flu-associated hospitalizations, or flu-associated deaths in adults"

"To gain a better understanding of the actual burden of flu CDC and other public health agencies in the U.S. and other countries use statistical models to estimate the annual number of seasonal flu-related cases, hospitalizations, and deaths."

Short answer is no but I get the logic in us thinking it would

 

[palavra]

My sister and her family were going on vacation in Spain and Portugal, and they canceled their trip. They were mostly worried about getting quarantined somewhere.

 

[Iowamomof4]

I realize that. My response was in relation to flu related deaths. I would certainly think that anyone whose death was ruled "flu related" was tested.

But that hasn't been the case so far. That is supposed to change NOW, but up until this week, they haven't been testing near as many as they should have been, imo. In fact, it was just a researcher in Washington that began going through previous negative flu tests to look for coronavirus and found the high school student who was actually positive.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03...us-without-dramatic-action-new-analysis-says/

 

[RamblingMad]

James Bond film delayed. We’re doomed.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

But that hasn't been the case so far. That is supposed to change NOW, but up until this week, they haven't been testing near as many as they should have been, imo. In fact, it was just a researcher in Washington that began going through previous negative flu tests to look for coronavirus and found the high school student who was actually positive.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03...us-without-dramatic-action-new-analysis-says/

In my state and the neighboring state (my metro is split between the two states) their present stance is no coronavirus testing unless you exhibit symptoms or would have a known exposure. Understandable on one hand but def. hard on the other so kinda a catch 22.

My county in particular stated this: "The only people who will be tested are those who show symptoms and either traveled to countries most affected (such as China and Italy) or have been within about 6 feet of someone who is infected."

 

[Iowamomof4]

In my state and the neighboring state (my metro is split between the two states) their present stance is no coronavirus testing unless you exhibit symptoms or would have a known exposure. Understandable on one hand but def. hard on the other so kinda a catch 22.

My county in particular stated this: "The only people who will be tested are those who show symptoms and either traveled to countries most affected (such as China and Italy) or have been within about 6 feet of someone who is infected."

To me, the most sensible testing criteria would be "those who show symptoms and have a negative flu test."

 

[THE BARRON]

Going spring break, no plans to cancel at all, can hardly wait

 

[DLgal]

These deaths are most likely mislabeled as flu related deaths.

More probable is that they are labeled as "deaths due to pneumonia or respiratory failure" without a known cause.

I told this story elsewhere, but in January my 8 year old niece was hospitalized with pneumonia that came on fast from a "virus" and her only symptoms were high fever (over 104 that did not respond to IV antibiotics) and cough. She spent 9 days in the hospital and at one point, was almost intubated. She was swabbed for flu, RSV, and a few other viruses. All negative. Her sputum was cultured, and was found to not be bacterial. The doctors didn't know what she had. She was put on droplet precaution and everyone including her had to wear a mask in her room. She was released and is slowly regaining her strength. She has pretty severe asthma. She lives in San Francisco. I'm not saying she had Covid 19, but NO ONE was looking for that then, even though it is possible. Had she died (thank goodness she didn't), her cause of death would have been listed as simply pneumonia. However, the pneumonia came from some virus...it didn't just appear out of nowhere. Her father had been sick a few days before she fell ill with a fever and cough.

It is likely that at least some pneumonia deaths recently can be attributed to Covid 19 infections.

 

[easyas123]

Dude, Are you hiring?
Oh, that's right you've probably seen some of my posts.

sorry....I'm not familiar with your posts.
And yes, we are hiring.

 

[wallawallakids]

Not sure if this has been shared yet, but this may be helpful for some people who are on the fence about going to places with large crowds. Seems to pretty much in line with the current data (ie if you're young and healthy, you'll probably be fine. If you have certain comorbidities such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, asthma etc there is a good chance you are not going to fare as well). My biggest criticism of the article is that it doesn't really talk about the fact that even if you're young and healthy, you can still spread it to others with comorbitities. I do think we need to be thinking about others as well.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/should-i-avoid-crowds-because-coronavirus/607420/

Thank you for this. Honestly it made me more nervous being an asthmatic myself and having a daughter with asthma but like I said, its already here in WA. So now I just have no idea what to do. I don’t want to miss our trip but I am starting to really think we will if it doesn’t improve.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

To me, the most sensible testing criteria would be "those who show symptoms and have a negative flu test."

Yeah I'm tellin ya it's hard. I'm thinking resources being one of the reasons.

BUT maybe the stance will change should we end up having cases here ,as opposed to monitoring people that they are doing now, where they feel the risk could become higher (not that I'm rooting for a higher risk in my area as that would be awful).

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

It sounds like semantics, but in the medical field, technically you don't die of the viral infection. You die of the complications caused by the infection.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

To me, the most sensible testing criteria would be "those who show symptoms and have a negative flu test."

Sort of. There are other common viruses that cause these symptoms - rhinoviruses, adenoviruses. Because the test kits were so limited initially, they had to designate more limiting factors. It might be less of a problem now that it seems they have more kits available.

 

[DLgal]

It sounds like semantics, but in the medical field, technically you don't die of the viral infection. You die of the complications caused by the infection.

That's true. However, if more people are developing and dying from pneumonia RIGHT NOW and didn't test positive for flu (which is a standard test when a patient develops pneumonia after a viral infection and is hospitalized), it is suspicious and warrants further investigation.

 

[RamblingMad]

That's true. However, if more people are developing and dying from pneumonia RIGHT NOW and didn't test positive for flu (which is a standard test when a patient develops pneumonia after a viral infection and is hospitalized), it is suspicious and warrants further investigation.

This is where reality ends up conflicting with ideal expectations.

 

[mousefan73]

In my state and the neighboring state (my metro is split between the two states) their present stance is no coronavirus testing unless you exhibit symptoms or would have a known exposure. Understandable on one hand but def. hard on the other so kinda a catch 22.

My county in particular stated this: "The only people who will be tested are those who show symptoms and either traveled to countries most affected (such as China and Italy) or have been within about 6 feet of someone who is infected."

100% sure our Admin and those in charge said test only those to keep numbers down. Other countries that did testing In a broad scope in 1000s and have more cases and one draws the wrong conclusion. Experts also have said we need more testing to know more about this- who is positive and shows no symptoms- wouldn’t that be important data to know??! The US prides itself as America the Great. Here it failed and is so behind compared to other countries. . The WHO had had for weeks test kits in large supply developed by Germans I believe. The CDC failed.

 

[tobin04]

100% sure our Admin and those in charge said test only those to keep numbers down. Other countries that did testing In a broad scope in 1000s and have more cases and one draws the wrong conclusion. Experts also have said we need more testing to know more about this- who is positive and shows no symptoms- wouldn’t that be important data to know??! The US prides itself as America the Great. Here it failed and is so behind compared to other countries. . The WHO had had for weeks test kits in large supply developed by Germans I believe. The CDC failed.

How about some actual data to support your theory.