Is Bush The Worst President Ever?

jimmiej said:
Just because I'm a conservative doesn't mean I support EVERYTHING President Bush does.

Wow. Things must be worse than I thought in Bushtown. I never thought I would hear you utter such a phrase. Btw, I'm looking at my crystal ball now and Dick Cheney doesn't look good in prison orange!
 
DawnCt1 said:
If there is a surplus, there is a problem. The people are being taxed too much. Any "surplus" should always be returned to the citizenry.

A surplus is a problem? So having money on hand to pay for hurricane relief and extra security for terror alerts is a problem??? So cutting some program or borrowing more money to pay for these things is preferable? Wow! :confused3
 
eclectics said:
A surplus is a problem? So having money on hand to pay for hurricane relief and extra security for terror alerts is a problem??? So cutting some program or borrowing more money to pay for these things is preferable? Wow! :confused3


You can't make this stuff up. :badpc:
 
DawnCt1 said:
So that is President Bush's fault how???? You are sounding a bit like Mayor Nagin.

Did I say it was Bush's fault? Maybe you should reread my post, I was trying to point out that the rich don't always pay more.

I live in Alabama, and believe me you just can't make this stuff up. jimmiej
I could provide a link but just take my word for it. The city of Mobile has a 9% sales tax, but I pay more for homeowners insurance than property tax. It is why the schools here are so bad, and yet the people think they pay to much tax. Sorry to get off the topic, this thread isn't about the tax system in Alabama.
 

DawnCt1 said:
Clinton's "surplus" never existed. It was projected.

Got it - that is what he did with the intel stating there was WMD in Iraq. It never existed, it was projected. :rotfl2: :rotfl2:
 
DawnCt1 said:
I prefer actual leadership than governing by "focus group". Clinton didn't take a vacation unless he "focused grouped" the time and location first. If you feel "unsafe" you had best consider who was in great part, responsible for leaving you that way. Clinton was offered Bin Laden and refused him because he wasn't sure "what to charge him with". He saw the war on terrorism as a law enforcement issue instead of a war against a determined enemy. Able Danger will be the retroactive scandal that will make Watergate look like a day at the park.

i dont think bush is the worst ever but i dont like him or his agenda
the op didnt ask about clinton
how is it that whenver someones says bush stinks you bush people always jump on clinton
i also disgree that clinton will be seen as a bad president
he made mistakes they all do but bush has only helped the rich while the poor get poorer
he hasnt really fixed anything
you cant really say we are safer since 9/11 we had 3 natural disasters and the government has not been prepared
do you really think that if those had been terrorist attacks the results from fema would be better?
 
DawnCt1 said:
We could have had this 'conversation' in the 80's when Ronald Reagan was president. The media attacked him from all angles, every professor on every campus maligned him, his own party attempted to distance themselves from him, Europeans hated him and he was met with thousands of protestors everywhere. The big lie was that ketchup was a vegtable, and there were those on the left that called for his impeachment. Now, under the perspective of time, most realize that he has been the best modern president and is most beloved, although every policy he had at the time was attacked. President Bush's low numbers are higher than the last seven president's low numbers. I think, that he has the potential to be one of the best presidents of modern times but that won't be seen until he is out of office for several years, as it always is. Conversely, I think the revelations of Able Danger will show Clinton to be right "down there" with Jimmy Carter.

ITA. :sunny: Well said!
 
i dont know about worst, because i dont know enough of the past presidents to say that, lol, but definetely ONE of the worst in my opinion.
 
MossMan said:
If you had asked me this question a year ago I would have replied with an emphatic NO. I don't even think I would have put Bush on my list for the Ten Worst President Ever. At best he might be considered for the Worst Twenty List. But certainly not the worst single President ever. A year ago that would have seemed like a total stretch.

But you should never count Bush Jr. out. In the last year George W has really stepped it up big time. In his first term Bush was clearly out of his league, but his believable earnestness gave him an air of acceptability. But even this seems to have disappeared for him in 2005. Bush’s monumental incompetence is now on display for everyone to see. Even diehard conservatives (like myself) are finally awakening to the fact that Bush is hopelessly inept.

True, there have been equally useless Presidents before Bush. But Bush has that certain something extra that other incompetent Presidents seem to lack. Bush’s brand of incompetence is unique in how it always manages to make a mess of everything it comes into contact with.

Think about this for a minute. It takes an astounding amount of incompetence to accomplish this feat. Even the worst presidents of years past occasionally got lucky and could take credit for something that didn’t cause widespread confusion and pain.

Folks, we are living in a very special time right now. We are witnessing history as it is being made. One day we will be able to regale our grandchildren with tales of what it was like when the worst president of all time ruled this country.

Too late. Too bad you weren't listening in November. His presidency has been nothing but a facade starting with how he became president.

Considering there's been over 2000 dead in Iraq, over 15000 wounded, hundreds of billions of dollars spent, a bankrupt treasury, etc, I really don't take any pleasure in saying "we told you so". Nevertheless, the handwriting was on the wall and the Bush supporters ignored it or tried to rationalize it away.

You voted for Bush, now live with the consequences of what that vote caused.
 
SPAM said:
i dont know about worst, because i dont know enough of the past presidents to say that, lol, but definetely ONE of the worst in my opinion.

Got that right! ITA!
 
I fear it will take us a long time to recover from the mess this man has made of our country.
 
He sure does seem to have a dark cloud over him and the people who surround him don't seem to add any light to the darkness.

I remember a guestion that was asked-Are you better off today?

Under this repulican administration our country seem to be a mess. The very wealthy are getting wealthier, the poor are getting poorer. The middle class is paying the price of this administration.

I remember a promise to help the middle class, lower taxes-somewhere this got loss, investing for the future-stagnant. So many promises, so little action.

All I see is a government that seems to be inapt.

Sadly were looking at the Lame Duck Years.
 
DawnCt1 said:
What President Reagan didn't have was 24 hour cable news on the attack 24/7. What Clinton did have was the Hollywood elite and the 'media' defending him at every turn. If you remember, it was Drudge that broke the story that Newsweek was not going to print. It was the media that maligned Ken Starr while defending Clinton, ignoring the claims of Kathleen Willie and Juanita Brodrick and painting Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers as trailer trash. Who said, "if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth". Goebels I think it was. Louis Freeh said that the FBI was so busy investigating Clinton scandals that it distracted from Clinton's job and the FBI's as well.

Exhibit A - Republicans reliving the glory years of the Clinton administration (all they thought they had to do was complain about Monica and blue dresses) to make Bush look not quite so bad.

When will the Bush apologists understand that no matter what happened in the Clinton administration:

1) it doesn't put WMD's in Iraq

2) bring back over 2000 dead

3) heal over 15000 wounded

4) replenish the treasury with the hundreds of billions of dollars spent by the Bush administration

5) brings back millions of jobs

6) restore any of the honor and dignity to the WH that Bush promised.

How bad a president is Bush?

Forget the fact that this administration can't even get along with Canada who has been our closest ally and trading partner for the better part of the last 50 years.

Someone in the last 2 years told Bush no one in his administration had anything to do with outting a CIA agent or spoke to reporters. Cooper's and Miller's notes blew that one out of the saddle.

Someone lied to Bush and he doesn't even have the cajones to tell them to clean out their desks and get the hell out.

What a truly sad sack of a man.

Btw, funny you should mention Goebels. Bush has his own minister of propoganda, Karen Hughes, who got her arrogant/ignorant *** kicked in the Middle East by women who resented her "look down your nose/ain't we grand" attitude. They can't even get that right.
 
Right now, yes, the GWB presidency is shaping up to be one of the worse in US history. However, I think it's very premature to say that GWB is THE worse president we've ever had. Heck, I think it's still early to judge even Clinton or Bush 41.

There's an old saying -- Truth is the daughter of time. It's hard to judge history while it's happening because everyone has a bias one way or the other. Ten to 15 years from now, things may look completely different in hindsight.

I also think that maybe we're coming to appreciate a divided government more and more and Americans don't want the Presidency and Congress controlled by the same party.
 
Lil_Tink said:
I agree. I want to go into the arm forces some day, and am glad he wont be president then...I want Hilary!!!

Yeah, she'll be the one to solve it all... :rolleyes1
 
Only time will tell whether Bush is the worst president ever.

As of now, my vote goes for both Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan whose ineffective leadership let this country into the Civil War.
 
tandrjohn said:
As of now, my vote goes for both Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan whose ineffective leadership let this country into the Civil War.

I dunno ... I gotta go with Warren Harding. He was a do-nothing philandering pretty boy in whose administration the Teapot Dome scandal happened. Heck, even Nixon improved our relations with communist China. It's one thing to be ineffective, and one thing to be corrupt, but to be ineffective AND corrupt?? Harding pulled off that double play.
 
I will not say Bush is the worst President. The events that have taken place in Bush's Presidency would have happened regardless of who was in office. Republican or Democrat. The economy,9-11, Iraq invasion,hurricanes. I think after 9-11 the call on the Iraq invasion would have been made even if Gore was in office. We have know idea the decisions he has had to make. Given the information he was told at the time and 9-11 happening he did what I believed he had to do. He as well as alot of others believed Iraq had weapons and was a threat. I won't go any further. I will not say to my children Bush is the worst President. The way this world is heading I think the best (worst!) is yet to come. I want to add the scariest thought is Hillary becoming President! Let's hope I won't have to tell my children about her.
 

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