Is autism the illness du jour ?

I am not going to deny people like this exist. I just have never encountered someone who would be satisfied with simply having an excuse. It defies logic. Having the diagnosis is only the start of the journey. NOTHING changes for the child unless you act on the information.

But I think this is the point that some us are trying to make. The child doesn't really have Autism. There is some other cause that is giving rise to the symptoms but since the current environment is Autism, austism, austim - it has got to be Autism (just like it was ADD years ago).

I know two children with Autism. One from MA and one is in school with my oldest boy. Both these boys are CLEARLY different and I doubt it required hours upon hours of observations to diagnose them as Autistic.

Can you at least except that some of us are skeptical that it requires that much time to diagnose a behavior (or educational) disease/disability. It seems like an approach that is ripe for abuse.
 
I know two children with Autism. One from MA and one is in school with my oldest boy. Both these boys are CLEARLY different and I doubt it required hours upon hours of observations to diagnose them as Autistic.

I think other posters have said this, but the hours of the diagnostic process aren't just to label them autistic but to also then be able to say they are over stimulated- under stimulated, have strong reactions to this, are slow in this, would respond best to this, etc, etc. It is to come up with not only a diagnosis but a treatment plan. So no in severe cases it may not be necessary to have 3 Drs watch someone for hours upon hours to know they have autism, but it is necessary to determine how they are effected by the autism, where they may fall on the spectrum and how best to treat them, which around here is all part of the original diagnosis (what is it, how is it manifested, what do we do now).

As far as parents seeking a diagnosis because they can't deal with their kid being average, maybe some, but for the majority I think that ignores the fact that many of these parents have other kids who are completely average and the parents didn't seek out any diagnoses for them.
 
No. They can't. The testing is not as subjective as Michael Savage woould have you believe. That's why the most effective testing comes from a team using specifically the Autism Diagnostic Rating Scale (ADOS) and Autism Diagnostic Interview-Revised (ADI-R) along with at least 3 observations at 3 different times during the day with three different people doint the observation.

But the ADOS has some real flaws when it comes to late talkers or kids with auditory processing disorders. It's skewed against them and can often mislabel them if it's not done by an expert.

And in many states, the educational testing isn't NEARLY as thorough as this. It's a few people sitting in a room, saying, "Well, he seems autistic to me" and then the wild dash through the autism machine starts for the child and the parents.

I'm on a message board with a couple of thousand other parents, many of who are actively battling with schools not to have their kids mislabeled. Some of the schools lay it on thick and heavy, threatening the parents, lying to them by misrepresenting their rights and what the IDEA says, telling them they are basically ruining their child's life if they don't sign on the dotted line and agree to the autism label.
 
I do not think kids are being overdiagnosed, but I do believe they are being misdiagnosed in some cases... My personal experience:

When I was 15 (a few years ago) I was diagnosed with ADHD/ADD, which was the "disease of the day." they did the tests, and several drs were all pushing the diagonsis very hard. they medicated me up to my eyeballs and it never worked... turns out I have SID/SPD, NOT ADD/ADHD.

I am afraid not that the kids are "brats' or the parents are lazy, but that kids are being misdiagnosed with similar or overlapping conditions, and because of the misdiagnosis, are not getting the proper treatment... i know ADD and autism therapy would not help me, but knowing I was SID was a BIG help. however, right now drs are learning about autism, it is what they are trained to see, so that is what they look for, and i think that makes them miss some similar or overlapping conditions
 

I haven't read the whole thread yet but...

seems like people are far more comfotrable saying they have an illness or a disorder than admitting they are just quirky and unwilling to conform to society's rule/conventions. Obviously there are real autistic children, but I have a feeling that a lot of kids who are identified as "on the spectrum" would have just been a little weird or quirky 20 - 30 years ago.

I totally agree with you, Todd&Copper. It took me the better part of my life to realize it was perfectly alright to be a geek. Because, as I found out, there are THOUSANDS (if not millions) of people who proudly identify themselves as geeks.
 
I haven't read the whole thread yet but...



I totally agree with you, Todd&Copper. It took me the better part of my life to realize it was perfectly alright to be a geek. Because, as I found out, there are THOUSANDS (if not millions) of people who proudly identify themselves as geeks.

Ummmm, I don't think you or any medical professional could ever confuse "geek" with "autistic".

I really don't think anyone understands :sad2:
 
No, they couldn't. But I was a bit odd as a child. Heck, I'm still odd now. I prefer to read rather than hang out with people and even in my early 20s when most people my age were going out clubbing, partying, drinking, I saw no need for it. It bored me. I'd rather play an RPG or read a novel or watch some old Star Trek. I thought I was really, really weird and people treated me that way. Turns out, there are tons of weird people in this world and it's actually OK to be weird.

However, I do understand when people think that autism is either misdiagnosed or overdiagnosed. Sometimes I wonder if Autism/ASD really is the diagnosis dujour. I wondered for quite a while whether DS (who has some signs of SID, a speech delay and a slight physical delay as well) would be diagnosed as 'on the spectrum'. So far, he hasn't, but I always wonder. And I wonder how I would deal with that, because I'm not sure how a person does, although I know people do it every day. It's been hard enough learning to deal with the fact that the school district classifies him as 'Special Ed" because of his speech difficulties and physical delays. I don't like the term 'special ed' although I'm getting better at learning to deal with it.
 
Ummmm, I don't think you or any medical professional could ever confuse "geek" with "autistic".

I really don't think anyone understands :sad2:

Some of us are trying to understand, really. :)

My cousin's two boys have both been diagnosed as autistic. It's completely obvious that something is different about them. My cousin and his wife have their hands full. I just don't get how it got to be this way. I don't ever remember it being so widespread. I know that there are a lot of theories out there with the front runner being the childhood shots. When did the number of diagnosed cases start trending so dramatically upward?
 
I just don't get how it got to be this way. I don't ever remember it being so widespread. I know that there are a lot of theories out there with the front runner being the childhood shots. When did the number of diagnosed cases start trending so dramatically upward?

I totally agree. I think I knew of maybe 3, 4 people growing up who were autistic and that's it. Now it seems like every kid you come across is 'on the spectrum' or something.

I've also heard the theory about the vaccines being the reason why kids are autistic now, but I don't buy it personally.
 
But I think this is the point that some us are trying to make. The child doesn't really have Autism. There is some other cause that is giving rise to the symptoms but since the current environment is Autism, austism, austim - it has got to be Autism (just like it was ADD years ago).

I know two children with Autism. One from MA and one is in school with my oldest boy. Both these boys are CLEARLY different and I doubt it required hours upon hours of observations to diagnose them as Autistic.

Can you at least except that some of us are skeptical that it requires that much time to diagnose a behavior (or educational) disease/disability. It seems like an approach that is ripe for abuse.

And when the doc says, after seeing a kid for 5 minutes, "he's autistic." You'll be skeptical that a thorough exam was not done. My problem is that people want to "believe" or "not believe" in something that is based upon concrete behavioral criteria or a set of medical tests. Lengthy observation is needed to rule out (or conversely) confirm a whole host of other possible conditions.

If you see something like the existance of autism and the diagnostic practices used as a "belief," then I am left to understand that you do so for some sort of "religious" reason. Now, if you chose to believe that mental illnesses and developmental disorders do not exist because you are a member of a particular "religion," that's fair and that's your right. But say that, don't make us guess.
 
I know that there are a lot of theories out there with the front runner being the childhood shots.


http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/vaccines.htm

Vaccines and Autism

Is there a relationship between vaccines and autism?

Many studies have looked at whether there is a relationship between vaccines and autism. The weight of the evidence indicates that vaccines are not associated with autism. But CDC knows that some parents and others may still have concerns about this issue. CDC is committed to protecting the health of children and to identifying the biological and environmental causes of autism and other developmental disabilities, so we will continue to study the role of vaccines. Click here to view a chart of CDC’s studies about vaccines and ASDs.
 
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/vaccines.htm

Vaccines and Autism

Is there a relationship between vaccines and autism?

Many studies have looked at whether there is a relationship between vaccines and autism. The weight of the evidence indicates that vaccines are not associated with autism. But CDC knows that some parents and others may still have concerns about this issue. CDC is committed to protecting the health of children and to identifying the biological and environmental causes of autism and other developmental disabilities, so we will continue to study the role of vaccines. Click here to view a chart of CDC’s studies about vaccines and ASDs.

The CDC stands to gain a lot from their study, don't they? While I am not certain either way whether or not vaccines have caused cases of autism, but there has to be something because Thermosil as a bonding agent in MMR is not used anymore. Do I think there is a deifnitive answer? No, but I wouldn't trust the CDC to give a straight answer, either.

The most promising studies, IMO, are coming from the use of pitocin in labor and the number of children who have autism whose mothers also had pitocin in labor.

Of course, studies also show that use of oxytocin (pitocin) as a nasal spray helps with autism as well. :confused3
 
The CDC stands to gain a lot from their study, don't they? While I am not certain either way whether or not vaccines have caused cases of autism, but there has to be something because Thermosil as a bonding agent in MMR is not used anymore. Do I think there is a deifnitive answer? No, but I wouldn't trust the CDC to give a straight answer, either.

The most promising studies, IMO, are coming from the use of pitocin in labor and the number of children who have autism whose mothers also had pitocin in labor.

Of course, studies also show that use of oxytocin (pitocin) as a nasal spray helps with autism as well.
:confused3

I have never heard of this particular theory. In my case, the kid who was stubborn and needed a pitocin boost is perfectly normal. It was the one who was in a big hurry and almost didn't let me get to the hospital for delivery who is autistic. :)
 
I don't know what a "bonding agent" is. Thimerosal is a preservative. It was removed from routine childhood vaccines for the theoretical possibility, never actually shown, of adverse neurologic effects.

And what do you think the CDC stands to gain from their study?
 
But I think this is the point that some us are trying to make. The child doesn't really have Autism. There is some other cause that is giving rise to the symptoms but since the current environment is Autism, austism, austim - it has got to be Autism (just like it was ADD years ago).

I know two children with Autism. One from MA and one is in school with my oldest boy. Both these boys are CLEARLY different and I doubt it required hours upon hours of observations to diagnose them as Autistic.

Can you at least except that some of us are skeptical that it requires that much time to diagnose a behavior (or educational) disease/disability. It seems like an approach that is ripe for abuse.

No I cannot accept that people think that tests are not required or necessary before a Doctor makes a diagnosis.

How do you think the medical world should work here?

If you went to the Doctor with a pain in your side would you want him to just take an educated guess at what it may be from or would you prefer he run some tests to find out definitely what it is?? I don't know about you - but I want tests.
 
While I am not certain either way whether or not vaccines have caused cases of autism, but there has to be something because Thermosil as a bonding agent in MMR is not used anymore.

This is a myth.

Thimerosal has NEVER been in the MMR vaccine.

Monday, July 16, 2007
MMR Vaccine Does Not Contain Mercury, Thiomersal, Thimerosal and It Never Has
MMR has never contained mercury in any form: MMR has never contained thiomersal (UK) thimerosal (US). There are multiple sources for this information.

http://www.fda.gov/CbER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
 
The CDC stands to gain a lot from their study, don't they? While I am not certain either way whether or not vaccines have caused cases of autism, but there has to be something because Thermosil as a bonding agent in MMR is not used anymore. Do I think there is a deifnitive answer? No, but I wouldn't trust the CDC to give a straight answer, either.

The most promising studies, IMO, are coming from the use of pitocin in labor and the number of children who have autism whose mothers also had pitocin in labor.

Of course, studies also show that use of oxytocin (pitocin) as a nasal spray helps with autism as well. :confused3

The incidences of autism have INCREASED since Thimerosal has been removed from vaccines.

I was under the impression that the most promising recent research has been in the area of genetics.
 
The CDC stands to gain a lot from their study, don't they? While I am not certain either way whether or not vaccines have caused cases of autism, but there has to be something because Thermosil as a bonding agent in MMR is not used anymore. Do I think there is a deifnitive answer? No, but I wouldn't trust the CDC to give a straight answer, either.

The most promising studies, IMO, are coming from the use of pitocin in labor and the number of children who have autism whose mothers also had pitocin in labor.

Of course, studies also show that use of oxytocin (pitocin) as a nasal spray helps with autism as well. :confused3


Oh great. I was afraid that I was going to read something that made me feel all sorts of guilty. The only kid that I had pitocin with (induced labor ) is also my only kid that has attention deficit issues. He is not a severe case, and is not medicated, but :headache: oh moly! it is so frustrating! The worst is, I was the same way as a kid, and all my lecturing is never going to change him. He just can't help the fact that the poster above the teachers head may need his attention to count the number of different colors used to paint the painting. Or the fact that there are so many threads to count in the jacket hanging on the chair in front of him. He WANTS to listen to the teacher, but there are just other things grabbing for his attention. I am now adult ADD and I understand this kid so well. I just don't want him to suffer the way I have.
 
Normally, I would not reply to this thread because it absolutely makes my blood BOIL because I am sick and tired of the OPEN SEASON on autism. I am not directing this at the OP, but just in general, especially after the American Airlines incident. I did not hear the IGNORANT comments made by Michael Savage, but I do know that many autism groups and concerned parents have sent in letters of complaint. I live in the State of Illinois and I don't know where some of the posters live that have indicated that parents WANT their child to be diagnosed, but I haven't met ONE not ONE parent who would want that diagnosis. Why would you want a diagnosis? so that the insurance company can deny coverage for speech, occupational therapy, developmental therapy (NOT covered in the state of Illinois), physical therapy as my insurance company likes to do? Or, would you want a diagnosis so that you can fight with school systems just to get your child services or 30 extra minutes of speech per week? Or better yet, get a diagnosis so that you can try to get Early Intervention services through your state which end at age 3. Some parents can't even get into an early intervention program because the wait list is so long. I know, it must be money! The cost for out of pocket therapy is anywhere from $10,000 to over $100,000 per year usually straight out of the parents pockets and NOT COVERED BY INSURANCE.

On the flip side, I know MANY parents who don't want a diagnosis because that means that their child will be labeled with autism. Yes, the diagnosis rate was 1 in 10,000 children back in 1994 and the rates have skyrockted to 1 in 166. Why the rise in autism? One reason is that the austim spectrum includes more criteria and varying degrees. The debate about the cause will go on, but something is going on! Is it mercury in vaccines, is it genetic with an environmental trigger? Is it something in the environment - maybe?

I have a child with autism. He was diagnosed by a pediatric neurosurgeon (some people have a team with neurosurgeons and a hold host of speech therapist, psychologists, etc.) based upon a number of factors. Children with autism usually have significant language delays (unless it's aspergers; also note that 40% of children with autism are non verbal), difficulty relating to people/peers, sensory disorders, repetative behaviors (hand flapping, lining up objects in a straight line over and over and over, etc.), echolalia (repeating the same phrase over and over and over), scripting (talking, but not in a conversational way, just quoting lines from a commerical or movie). I have done Autism walks, gone to countless conferences and I have YET to meet one child with a diagnosis that didn't fit the criteria. And let me also add that autism doesn't affect two children the same. If I waited for the medical profession to devise a "test", my son would not be diagnosed and would not have made the progress that he has through early intervention and TONS of theraphy and he still has a LONG way to go. If I see a child hand flapping or toe walking I automatically think autism and I am NOT a medical professional.

If you point to the medical profession, I will answer that pediatricans have failed many parents (I feel as if I had the only pediatrican who actually told me that she thought my son had autism), told them that they were crazy when parents told them that they felt that their children were losing skills, told them that boys not speaking by age 2 was no big deal, they would come in later. When autism groups have come up with a list of warning signs, the American Academy of Pediatrics is quick to criticize, but they offered O in the way of solutions, resources, etc.

Uninformed and ignorant people like Michael Savage don't know what they are talking about and just run their mouth in order to make money. He couldn't and wouldn't survive one week of my day to day life dealing with this condition.

If people want to learn more about autism, stop listening to idiots like Michael Savage and visit some autism web sites. Here are a few, just to get started.

Austism Speaks (They have a host of videos of children with autism for all of the naysayers)
http://www.autismspeaks.org/

Floortime
http://www.floortime.org/

RDI
http://www.rdiconnect.com/

TACA
http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/index.htm

If you have a child that is neurotypical, then considered yourself very lucky.

If you haven't walked in the shoes of a parent that just wants to hear their child say "Mommy" or "Daddy" or dream that one day their child gets an invitation to a birthday party, or a child knocks on their door wanting their kid to play with them or have had to endure some judgemental angry stare from strangers when their child has a meltdown, or still isn't potty trained then don't assume anything. If you haven't driven your child to therapy after therapy, fought HARD for services in school, sat down at yet another IEP meeting to get your child therapy then don't be too quick to think any parent WANTS that for their child.

Clearly, the autism community as a whole needs to have more information out there in order to clear up all of the misconceptions about what autism is, treatment, etc.

My rant is done.
 
Unfortunately I haven't read all the posts because my kids are due home from school in a minute- but and this may have already been said so forgive me but I was wondering if the increase in # is due to the definition of autism encompassing many more behaviors than it used to (the umbrella of autism is so great)
FWIW all 3 of my girls were induced for different reasons--used pitocin all 3 time -no autism here.
 



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