Is anyone on the Dream right now? How did a girl fall overboard?

[TFM1980]

Meh, I'd wait until the investigations are finished. The article linked was a woman reporting that a crew member told her that he/she had seen the whole thing. Quite a lot of room for broken telephone there.

The second article was the Broward County Sheriff who stated that the child wasnt placed or left on the railing. That is pretty good evidence since they originally appear to have inserted themselves to investigate the dad for this exact thing based on an earlier article.

 

[TFM1980]

Disagree with those that believe Disney will ban the dad out of principle. At this point this type of action would mean a PR disaster. There are hundreds of news articles and other media coverage lauding the dad as a hero. Disney has also luckily gotten positive press for the safety response. Disney does not want this situation to go adversarial. I wouldnt be surprised if they follow the same playbook as the alligator attack case--overpay early on (although overpay may be like $50k in this case, $15m in that one) then jointly coordinate PR with the victim).

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

A few years ago waiting in line for a character on Magic, we were on one of the upper floors around the atrium, and a 6-7 year old kid about went over the interior railing down into the atrium floor. They were right behind us, a mom and 2-3 kids, and suddenly he had climbed onto the railing with his belly on it and leaning over, nothing anchoring his legs. I gasped and the mom saw and grabbed him and gave him a scolding. I was pretty shaken due to some past trauma involving a fall, and nothing had even happened. But it so easily could have.

Obviously we don't know the whole story in this overboard case, but kids can do some pretty crazy things, and all it takes is a few seconds of divided attention.

 

[Dug720]

The second article was the Broward County Sheriff who stated that the child wasnt placed or left on the railing. That is pretty good evidence since they originally appear to have inserted themselves to investigate the dad for this exact thing based on an earlier article.

And I've seen multiple articles with eye witnesses - not "so and so said they saw and told me" but they saw who saw the dad putting her on the railing.

Now...could he have done that once then she somehow climbed up after? Possible. IMHO that still puts some fault on the dad for putting her there to begin with and making her think it was ok.

 

[ladyofthetramp]

The second article was the Broward County Sheriff who stated that the child wasnt placed or left on the railing. That is pretty good evidence since they originally appear to have inserted themselves to investigate the dad for this exact thing based on an earlier article.

They are and will be involved-international waters or not. They will investigate this and the family. Whether she was on the railing or climbed. The video and direct eyewitness accounts will show what exactly happened. That will determine whether anyone, the dad-the family, DCL put this child at risk.

My mother always said-watch your children like a hawk. Just be vigilant, kids can get themselves into all kinds of trouble.

 

[Skippyboo]

https://archive.ph/rNBbF

Article from Daily Mail with a bunch of pictures of deck 4

 

[princesscinderella]

On the fantasy now figured I’d post a close up of what the railing looks like for those speculating what happened. So thankful that no one was injured but it definitely would take some effort to fall off the ship.

We unfortunately had a water rescue today too on the ship with a medical emergency where a helicopter from Pireaus Greece had to be dispatched. I hope whoever had the emergency is able to get the treatment they need on shore.

 

[DCLMP]

We started cruising when our kids were 4 and 7. Our youngest was part-monkey. I took him to the railing and pointed down and said, "See how far down that is? If you fall, we can never find you. Don't go near the edge, ever!" Not that kids always listen but it worked.

I cringe even when I see kids sitting on the railings in lines at WDW and parents are oblivious. All it takes is losing your balance and falling backwards to end up with a skull fracture or traumatic brain injury.

If you do a google search you will find pictures of kids sitting on railings of cruise ships. You can toddler proof a cruise ship, but if older kids are going to act stupid there is not much you can do about it. Luckily most kids are not that stupid..

On the Wish we were at the front of the ship looking down over the concierge balcony and some girls around 5 were climbing up on the balcony railing. The adults were inside and we were yelling at them to get down.

 

[DCLMP]

And I've seen multiple articles with eye witnesses - not "so and so said they saw and told me" but they saw who saw the dad putting her on the railing.

Now...could he have done that once then she somehow climbed up after? Possible. IMHO that still puts some fault on the dad for putting her there to begin with and making her think it was ok.

There has been no confirmation of that.

 

[Lynes88]

Actually, I would have thought it more likely that a Teen would fall over. For years my daughter would tell me stories of late night "games" that Teens play while roving the ship. Some would climb on the life boats, others would hide and seek in crew access areas etc. Security would try and keep up but it was a game of cat and mouse. This did not happen all the time, but certainly more than I was happy about. Luckily my daughter knew to separate herself but this stuff would happen unexpectedly with some kids showing off.

 

[apwenger]

I said this above, but, to repeat...

My guess is the crew was essentially acting as CPS in this case. Security would have been checking the videos as the rescue operation was going down. If they saw definitively that the father put her on the rail, that is endangerment and their duty besides rescuing them would be to protect the child. They don't know the intentions of the father. It would be very similar if a child went into the ER with a questionable injury where CPS would be called to investigate. The parents would be separated from the child. Since there is only one rescue boat, they couldn't put him in another, so this was the next best thing.

I'm more shocked they neither one of them is in a neck brace and that they're not laying down. I'd think there'd be the possibility of a spinal injury and not stabilizing that would risk further injury.

You should delete this comment. You are speculating as to the reason for this incident based on what appears to be an unverified Reddit post. This is borderline libel.

Additionally, Disney does not have the duty nor ability to act as a pseudo CPS entity.

 

[Girl of the South]

This article says the little girl climbed up while her parents were playing shuffleboard.

Disney Plunge Probe

 

[RedHead0186]

I've seen a few articles now that have quoted a passenger who says a cast member told her that she (the cast member) saw the girl climbing. That seems like a bit of hearsay. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I'm going to take that with a grain of salt. People love to seem 'in the know' and will sometimes twist things (sometimes unintentionally) to appear that way.

I saw it on the EBTA. We had a medivac situation the night before Lisbon. The WhatsApp was full of contradictory information-some said it was a kid who had slipped and fell the day before, other said it was an adult who had a heart attack. Well it can't be both, and it might not be either. Someone even said their dinner servers told them it was a passenger with a heart attack-I have a hard time believing servers would give out kind of info. I'm not saying people are doing this maliciously, but when something big like this happens and we don't have a lot of info, it's human nature to try to fill in the gaps to make sense of it.

Also, if a cast member did see this girl climbing on the railing, why didn't she take action? I'm not blaming the CM by any means, but it seems odd that the CM would admit to a passenger she saw the girl climbing on the rail but (seemingly) did nothing about it. I feel like something's missing here.

 

[dreamer17555]

Actually, I would have thought it more likely that a Teen would fall over. For years my daughter would tell me stories of late night "games" that Teens play while roving the ship. Some would climb on the life boats, others would hide and seek in crew access areas etc. Security would try and keep up but it was a game of cat and mouse. This did not happen all the time, but certainly more than I was happy about. Luckily my daughter knew to separate herself but this stuff would happen unexpectedly with some kids showing off.

Really? Maybe my kiddos were just not with the "cool" crowd but both of mine have never reported anything like that (and both of them overshare all the details). We sail in the off season so maybe thats why I doubt that climbing onto lifeboats would end with anything less than DCL security speaking to their families (SO many cameras in that area) and I would also expect crew to report them swiftly if seen in the crew area because they could get in trouble if they were suspected of luring them there.

There have been some cases on Royal of teens losing their life jumping from balconies into the central park area so I know teens can do dumb and dangerous things but I can't imagine DCL is letting incidents like what you mentioned happen without speaking to their families.

 

[dreamer17555]

I've seen a few articles now that have quoted a passenger who says a cast member told her that she (the cast member) saw the girl climbing. That seems like a bit of hearsay. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I'm going to take that with a grain of salt. People love to seem 'in the know' and will sometimes twist things (sometimes unintentionally) to appear that way.

I saw it on the EBTA. We had a medivac situation the night before Lisbon. The WhatsApp was full of contradictory information-some said it was a kid who had slipped and fell the day before, other said it was an adult who had a heart attack. Well it can't be both, and it might not be either. Someone even said their dinner servers told them it was a passenger with a heart attack-I have a hard time believing servers would give out kind of info. I'm not saying people are doing this maliciously, but when something big like this happens and we don't have a lot of info, it's human nature to try to fill in the gaps to make sense of it.

Also, if a cast member did see this girl climbing on the railing, why didn't she take action? I'm not blaming the CM by any means, but it seems odd that the CM would admit to a passenger she saw the girl climbing on the rail but (seemingly) did nothing about it. I feel like something's missing here.

I fully agree with this. It is all speculation at this point. I do think it is interesting the family is not out doing interviews (I expected them on Good Morning America or similar). Maybe they have quickly lawyered up (not a bad plan no matter who is at fault).

First we have "eyewitnesses", and now it is a guest who heard from a CM who said they saw it and did not intervene? I think we all are going to have to wait until a more thorough investigation has been completed.

 

[Disnsyncey]

with all the speculation I am going with

"somebody was doing/did something they weren't supposed to do"

 

[DCLMP]

The sheriffs department has stated there was no suspicious activity. So I guess we chalk this up to a almost tragic accident with a good ending.

 

[RedHead0186]

The sheriffs department has stated there was no suspicious activity. So I guess we chalk this up to a almost tragic accident with a good ending.

Source?

I've seen the article quoting the sheriff's department that stated the girl was not sitting on the railing. I've not seen them say there was no suspicious activity. Also, "suspicious activity" is different than being negligent/doing something stupid.

 

[DCLMP]

Source?

I've seen the article quoting the sheriff's department that stated the girl was not sitting on the railing. I've not seen them say there was no suspicious activity. Also, "suspicious activity" is different than being negligent/doing something stupid.

The Broward Sheriff's Office released the following statement on the incident:

"Based on media reports I have read, the Disney crew was well prepared. Clearly, their training and readiness paid off because they executed a successful ocean rescue. While there doesn't appear to be anything suspicious, Broward Sheriff's Office detectives are investigating the circumstances that led up to the child falling overboard. This family is so blessed. It's great to be able to respond to good news rather than what could have been a tragic outcome. The incident involved a father and his 5-year-old daughter."

 

[JJZMgailey]

We have the complete statement (released Wednesday afternoon) from the Broward County Sheriff's Office in our original article for this story. You can find it here: https://dclfan.com/news/hero-dad-le...daughter-overboard-miraculous-rescue-of-both/