Is Al Gore a traitor or has he simply lost his mind?

[crcormier]

So you showed us pictures of posters and signs. Do you have any of Americans burning down mosques and beheading Muslims??

Edited to add: Have you looked up Surah 8-65 and do you know what it says??

Someone had asked for signs against Islam, those were just a couple I found quickly.

And yes, I have, it says "O Prophet! Inspire the believers to conquer all fear of death when fighting, [so that] if there be twenty of you who are patient in adversity, they might overcome two hundred; and if there be one hundred of you, they might overcome one thousand of those who are bent on denying the truth, because they are people who cannot grasp it."

Not sure what your point is? I don't see it condoning murder.

 

[eclectics]

And you STILL do not understand that we have to work with the Saudi's on the war in terrorism. That we expect that they will make vital reforms and we need to have a diplomatic relationship in order for them to achieve that. You do not see a difference between the twice elected President of the United States and a disgruntled ex candidate who was paid by the Bin Laden family and other
Saudi interests to go to their country and bash the USA.

So now the Bin Laden family actually bribed Al Gore to go over and bash America? I don't even want to know where you picked up that little tidbit.

 

[LakeAriel]

So you showed us pictures of posters and signs. Do you have any of Americans burning down mosques and beheading Muslims??

Edited to add: Have you looked up Surah 8-65 and do you know what it says??

Do you really think the USA took pictures of the people beheaded by our bombs? Why do you people think that dropping bombs from the sky is less gruesome, less gory and less dead? I Don't understand your thinking at all!
In the first week of the attack by us a family who was fleeing Baghdad was hit by missiles. Several in the family died, two little girls had their heads blown off in front of their Mother. By us. OOPs.. collateral damage. Gory enough? Now what were you saying about us NOT beheading THEM?
This was a much publicized story. Look for it, it's true.

 

[sodaseller]

I'm not the Islamic scholar that Dawn is, so you would have to rely on her for the authoritative understanding of the meaning of those texts. But if the main issue is what is permitted in the language of a Sacred Text and what it provides as to the treatment of those that belive differently, then I can see cause for concern all around

From Deuteronomy 20

But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you battle, lay siege to it, and when the LORD, your God, delivers it into your hand, put every male in it to the sword; but the women and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth plundering you may take as your booty, and you may use this plunder of your enemies which the LORD, your God, has given you.
"That is how you shall deal with any city at a considerable distance from you, which does not belong to the peoples of this land. But in the cities of those nations which the LORD, your God, is giving you as your heritage, you shall not leave a single soul alive. You must doom them all-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the LORD, your God, has commanded you, lest they teach you to make any such abominable offerings as they make to their gods, and you thus sin against the LORD, your God.

From Chapter 7

"When the LORD, your God, brings you into the land which you are to enter and occupy, and dislodges great nations before you--the Hittites, Girga****es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites: seven nations more numerous and powerful than you-- and when the LORD, your God, delivers them up to you and you defeat them, you shall doom them. Make no covenant with them and show them no mercy.

"You shall consume all the nations which the LORD, your God, will deliver up to you. You are not to look on them with pity, lest you be ensnared into serving their gods. Perhaps you will say to yourselves, 'These nations are greater than we. How can we dispossess them?'

But do not be afraid of them. Rather, call to mind what the LORD, your God, did to Pharaoh and to all Egypt: the great testings which your own eyes have seen, the signs and wonders, his strong hand and outstretched arm with which the LORD, your God, brought you out. The same also will he do to all the nations of whom you are now afraid.

Moreover, the LORD, your God, will send hornets among them, until the survivors who have hidden from you are destroyed. Therefore, do not be terrified by them, for the LORD, your God, who is in your midst, is a great and awesome God.

He will dislodge these nations before you little by little. You cannot exterminate them all at once, lest the wild beasts become too numerous for you. The LORD, your God, will deliver them up to you and will rout them utterly until they are annihilated.

And beware anyone that relies on Biblical guidannce for treatment of POWS

From 2 Chronicles 25

Amaziah now assumed command of his army. They proceeded to the Valley of Salt, and there they killed ten thousand men of Seir. The Judahites also brought back another ten thousand alive, whom they led to the summit of the Rock and then cast down, so that they were all crushed.

And even women and children are nor spared in certain instances, like in First Samuel

Samuel said to Saul: "It was I the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel. Now, therefore, listen to the message of the LORD.

This is what the LORD of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt.

Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and *****.

Now many squishy types like myself see a God of mercy and love that would never sanction such matters and don't believe in following these texts directly, but those like Dawn and bin Laden aren't as weak, understanding that the only way to resolve this dispute is a proper Holy War, killing and torturing all in our wake that believe differently

 

[Planogirl]

So now the Bin Laden family actually bribed Al Gore to go over and bash America? I don't even want to know where you picked up that little tidbit.

You definitely can't even begin to make this stuff up. Wow.

 

[TCPluto]

It is highly inappropriate for a former U.S Senator, a former Vice President and a former presidential candidate to be on foreign soil, attacking US foreign policy, blaming it on the current administration in his hysterical tone, while we are at war!.

You are absolutely correct.

That isn't to say that anyone has to agree with everything this administration is doing or has done. To act, do and say things such as Gore has is simply reprehensible.

Gore is both a traitor and crazy.

 

[LuvDuke]

And you STILL do not understand that we have to work with the Saudi's on the war in terrorism. That we expect that they will make vital reforms and we need to have a diplomatic relationship in order for them to achieve that. You do not see a difference between the twice elected President of the United States and a disgruntled ex candidate who was paid by the Bin Laden family and other
Saudi interests to go to their country and bash the USA.

Oh for the love of Pete.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[bsnyder]

I'm not sure, but I"d venture to guess that Dawn is referring to the fact that Al Gore's speech was most probably a paid one. And that one of the corporate interests that sponsored the symposium where he spoke was the BinLadin Group, which is Saudi Arab's largest construction company and owned by members of Bin Laden's family. Family members have been on the record since at least 9/11 that they have "disowned" Bin Laden.

Clinton gave a speech at the 2002 conference, and was paid. Jeb Bush's younger brother, Neil, was also a speaker that year.

While I think an analysis of Gore's motivation for saying what he did should surely include the venue, whether or not he was was a paid speaker, and the intended audience of his speech, I don't see any connection with OBL.

 

[LuvDuke]

I'm not the Islamic scholar that Dawn is, so you would have to rely on her for the authoritative understanding of the meaning of those texts.

Why not? You could have a falafel at the state fair too. That's the source of her authority. Failing that, you can listen to the same drug or phone sex addicts to further educate yourself.

 

[DawnCt1]

I'm not the Islamic scholar that Dawn is, so you would have to rely on her for the authoritative understanding of the meaning of those texts. But if the main issue is what is permitted in the language of a Sacred Text and what it provides as to the treatment of those that belive differently, then I can see cause for concern all around

From Deuteronomy 20

You are aware then that Christianity has undergone a reformation and that we also have the New Testament that puts forth a whole new set of expected behavior.

 

[dcentity2000]

You are absolutely correct.

That isn't to say that anyone has to agree with everything this administration is doing or has done. To act, do and say things such as Gore has is simply reprehensible.

Gore is both a traitor and crazy.

Speaking as someone who deals with mental illness every day in others (and indeed, suffers from one myself) I find the notion that Gore is mentally questionable both insulting and demeaning. Politics cannot and must not ever resort to name calling, especially not in such a manner.

Gore is of sound mind. The fact that he criticises the current administration, regardless of where he is, is not, I repeat NOT an indication of his suffering from a menal illness.

[EDIT] I also find the idea that he is a traitor rather sick and bitter. He doesn't like Bush's politics, the same as most of the developed world! He's not trying to blow it to smithereens



Rich::

 

[DawnCt1]

So now the Bin Laden family actually bribed Al Gore to go over and bash America? I don't even want to know where you picked up that little tidbit.

The Bin Laden family is a very large Saudi family with ties to oil and construction. They didn't "bribe" Al Gore, they, along with others, paid him handsomely. Al Gore bashes America on his own.

 

[dcentity2000]

You are aware then that Christianity has undergone a reformation and that we also have the New Testament that puts forth a whole new set of expected behavior.

Jewish people don't abide by the New Testament...

Also, by the same token, the Book of Mormon is even more recent. Should we consider Mormons to be yet further evolved?



Rich::

 

[bsnyder]

Speaking as someone who deals with mental illness every day in others (and indeed, suffers from one myself) I find the notion that Gore is mentally questionable both insulting and demeaning. Politics cannot and must not ever resort to name calling, especially not in such a manner.

Gore is of sound mind. The fact that he criticises the current administration, regardless of where he is, is not, I repeat NOT an indication of his suffering from a menal illness.



Rich::

Rich, I hope your post is tongue in cheek? If not, I have to disagree with you. People use the word crazy all the time, as a figure of speech, without intending to disparage the mentally ill. And I say that as someone who deals with it every day too.

 

[DawnCt1]

Gore is of sound mind. The fact that he criticises the current administration, regardless of where he is, is not, I repeat NOT an indication of his suffering from a menal illness.



Rich::

You have examined Al? He seems delusional to me. In addition to these latest rantings, lets not forget that he invented the internet and the book "Love Story" was written about he and Tipper. I don't think old Al has both oars in the water.

 

[DawnCt1]

Jewish people don't abide by the New Testament...

Also, by the same token, the Book of Mormon is even more recent. Should we consider Mormons to be yet further evolved?



Rich::

The only major religion that hasn't undergone a reformation is Islam. The pictures posted were taken in front of a Christian church, thus the reference to Christianity.

 

[bsnyder]

Then again, some people obviously DO think he's mentally ill.

I'm not one of them. But I think he's very, very bitter and angry. And a career political opportunist.

 

[BelleMcNally]

You have examined Al? He seems delusional to me. In addition to these latest rantings, lets not forget that he invented the internet and the book "Love Story" was written about he and Tipper. I don't think old Al has both oars in the water.

Okay, I'm not going to invest myself in this argument, because it's beyond ridiculous. But I'm really getting tired of you harping on the "invented the Internet" thing. Yeah, it was misspoken (and, really let's all have a little honesty-fest here and admit that the current President is the High Priest of Misspeak), but it was founded in reality.

Gore sponsored the legisilation responsible for creating the Internet (and he did coin the phrase "information superhighway"), so he was a vital part in its advent. Did he write the programming with his own little democratic hands? No. But that's not what he was referring to, and educated people know that.

So you're going to have to find a better basis for questioning his sanity. And if you try to submit the fact that once upon a time he grew an ugly beard as evidence of his slipping grip on reality...well...I guess it really wouldn't surprise me all that much.

 

[TCPluto]

Read at least 1000 times more on it than you have.

How could you possibly know this? Can your dad beat his dad up too?

 

[dcentity2000]

The only major religion that hasn't undergone a reformation is Islam. The pictures posted were taken in front of a Christian church, thus the reference to Christianity.

How has Judaism gone through a revolution if they still abide by their original scriptures?



Rich::