Is Al Gore a traitor or has he simply lost his mind?

[Geoff_M]

Thought this was timely:

It's Time to Face Facts: The War Against Bush Is Unwinnable
An Editorial by Frank J.
Posted by Frank J. at 12:02 PM

The Democrats and progressives have been waging a war on Bush for years now. It started out for admirable reasons - getting Bush out of power using any means possible - but now it has become obvious that this can no longer be accomplished. Instead, the only ones losing power are Democrats. This war has to end.

How many Democrats have lost office in this fight against Bush? While people seem to care about the death counts in Iraq, no one takes note as the number of Democrats who have lost office increases. Not only that, but there is the Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder from losing against Bush. It is obvious that Al Gore will never be able to live a normal life again and will require constant supervision for the rest of his days. Just check the internet for more instances of people having lost their minds trying to fight against the ethereal foe that is the Bush Presidency. And, to what end is this?

Some will still argue that progress is being made, pointing to Bush's low approval ratings. "Sure," they say, "we weren't able to get rid of him in 2004, but soon enough people will turn against him to impeach him!" This is pure idealism that ignores the attitudes of those we are trying to free from the tyranny of Bush. We thought the American people would welcome us as liberators when we kept up are full out attacks on Bush, but they are obviously more concerned with terrorists than Bush and have turned against us Bush-attackers. It's sad, but it is true.

So, do we give up and let Bush win? I'm afraid to say he already has won. Perhaps one day we could make people fear Bush more than terrorists, but, if we keep up in this way, there will be no Democrats left in office by the time that happens. We have to admit to ourselves that we attacked Bush without any real strategy for victory, and now it is time to pullout of this conflict. Instead, we must try and get Democrats back in power by focusing on our core issues: piddling-crap things such as healthcare and other free-handouts.

The war against Bush is just not worth another Democratic politician.

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[Planogirl]

Quite true and I have no desire to deny him his freedom to speak as he sees fit. I simply believe it is sad that he has chosen the route he follows. The old adage about flies, honey and vinegar comes to mind...

You spoke of bitterness. I guess that may be true because as a former fan of his, I have to constantly fight some bitterness myself. He's just doing his thing now and as far as I know, has zero interest in getting back into the game. I suppose that's best.

 

[sodaseller]

For a conservative to complain about the unfairness of the criticism of Bush after the 1990s is truly akin to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad complaining about the affront of the Danish Cartoons while he funds suicide bombers and tracts that say that Jewish Passover meals are made from the blood of Palestinian children. The so called War against Bush doesn't come within a million light years of what was done to Clinton.

 

[Geoff_M]

For a conservative to complain about the unfairness of the criticism of Bush after the 1990s...

Quite frankly, you'll hear no complaints from me. For that matter, I hope people like Gore, Dean, et al keep it up! Seriously.

The so called War against Bush doesn't come within a million light years of what was done to Clinton.

Sadly, I'm afraid that this is the driving force in the minds of a lot of people today: Revenge. Personally, I've never found that to be a very good organizing principle.

 

[Island_Lauri]

13 pages and not one mention about the right-wing darling Ann Coulter . Dawn, you can't spare a little outrage over the sound bites she provides for Al-Jazeera.


Coulter held the audience in the grip of her words, her voice, her message. A burst of applause and cheers greeted her “Raghead” joke: “I think our motto should be post-9-11, ‘raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.'"

And this was said at Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) before an overflow crowd of at least 1000 young right-wing activists.


And just for "laughs", how about An Coulter's other comments from this conference:

Coulter on killing Bill Clinton:

(Responding to a question from a Catholic University student about her biggest moral or ethical dilemma) "There was one time I had a shot at Clinton. I thought 'Ann, that's not going to help your career.'"

Coulter on moderate Republicans:

"There is more dissent on a slave plantation then amongst moderates in the Republican party."

Coulter on the Holocaust:

"Iran is soliciting cartoons on the Holocaust. So far, only Ted Rall, Garry Trudeau, and the NY Times have made submissions."

Coulter on the Supreme Court:

"If we find out someone [referring to a terrorist] is going to attack the Supreme Court next week, can't we tell Roberts, Alito, Thomas and Scalito?"

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Maybe you ought to put your money where your mouth is and enlist.

You're such a big supporter of the Bush administration and the Iraq war ............. but only from a safe distance. Typical Bushie.

More insults from ThAnswr.

I won't say you're a typical lefty because many on this board are actually civil.

 

[chobie]

More insults from ThAnswr.

I won't say you're a typical lefty because many on this board are actually civil.

Pointing out that you have yet to enlist is an insult?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Pointing out that you have yet to enlist is an insult?

Of course the poster's comment was meant as an insult. She hasn't changed a bit.

Are you going over there with your peace delegation to tell the terrorists to lay down their arms and play nice? Well??

 

[hubby_of_newtodisney]

I am a democrat, and I say G-d forbid that Al Gore should be elected President. Not because he is a bad man, or because he is not intelligent, or because he does speak the truth... but he should never be the leader of the free world because....





the poor man doesn't have any charm...
doesn't exude any warmth...
has little diplomacy...



Common attributes of all of our presidents since Nixon. All characteristics that you need to be the leader of the free world!!!

 

[Chad&Janet]

You may dislike Al Gore but you can hardly call him a moron. I wouldn't call any of our VP's morons, even DQ. Gore could hardly be called uneducated. If you can't stand him, just say so. No need to attack his intellect. The majority of the American people in 2000 thought he was smart enough.

eclectics,

ok, you got me. I really can't stand him.

But honestly, opinions aside, someone who spits, turns red-faced, and screams during a political speech is truly a bit of a dimwit if he genuinely wants to gain favor or be taken seriously. Just from a purely Vulcan point of view, I do believe him either (1) to be of extremely low intellect, or (2) delusional. And I never said he was "uneducated." Being someone that has a doctorate, I know full well that fools can come from anywhere, especially academia.

But I do respect your opinion, so thanks for giving it!

PS you wouldn't say DQ might've been a *little* slow? Even I could concede that.

 

[DawnCt1]

I for one have great difficulty figuring out how much a clash of civilizations there really is. The recent cartoon conflagration tells me it is deeper than I realized, and certainly the violent masses are full of preexisting hatred far out of proportion of any US provocation. But one is not being candid if they do not think that this Administration's actions and inactions have not been legitimate provocations as well, and that a moral person should feel some shame and certain of the things done in our name.

The real problem is tribalism on display in the violent mobs and in sentiments like the OP, two sides of the same coin, neither recognizing a morality beyond loyalty to the tribe or a larger value in objective truth. Truth is never a sign of weakness, even when it reveals flaws that your enemy repeats and exploits.

Again, don't risk falling back on the mantra that was repeated time and again after 9/11. "Why do they hate us?" It doesn't matter because in the end, it is nothing that we did, it is their own theological/ideological mindset. Whether it was to distract them from their own oppressive regimes or to retain power over women and the infidels, it is what the islamo fascist do. Before you decide that America is at the root of the problem, I implore you to read, Tony Blankley's book, The West's Last Chance".

 

[DawnCt1]

For a conservative to complain about the unfairness of the criticism of Bush after the 1990s is truly akin to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad complaining about the affront of the Danish Cartoons while he funds suicide bombers and tracts that say that Jewish Passover meals are made from the blood of Palestinian children. The so called War against Bush doesn't come within a million light years of what was done to Clinton.

I disagree because Clinton ALWAYS had his supporters in the press and despite the scandals that erupted, there was always justification, rationalizaion and many political pundants and editorialist who repeated the mantra that it was "only about sex". The issue with Gore isn't about criticism of the Bush administration. Surely one expects Democrats to do just that because that is what they do. This is about Al Gore, going of all places to the middle east and railing against the USA for alleged abuses. It is really that simple. Which makes me conclude that Al Gore has simply lost his mind. Some where in there however, I can't help thinking that he has his eye on Occidental.

 

[DawnCt1]

13 pages and not one mention about the right-wing darling Ann Coulter . Dawn, you can't spare a little outrage over the sound bites she provides for Al-Jazeera.


?"

Newsflash for Lauri! Ann Coulter is not a former vice president. Heck, she isn't even a former senator. Actually Ann Coulter has never held political office. She probably wouldn't want to take the pay cut. She is a political pundit who uses humor and satire to make a point, with a heavy dose of hyperbole. You can find her entertaining or not but she is not nor has ever been an elected official of the USA.

 

[DawnCt1]

Again, has anyone actually consider the climate that Al Gore spoke about the treatment of Arabs. Its actually ironic. He decried the American abuses before a country that engages in public floggings, dismemberment for petty theft and public executions.

 

[rockin_rep]

eclectics,

ok, you got me. I really can't stand him.

But honestly, opinions aside, someone who spits, turns red-faced, and screams during a political speech is truly a bit of a dimwit if he genuinely wants to gain favor or be taken seriously. Just from a purely Vulcan point of view, I do believe him either (1) to be of extremely low intellect, or (2) delusional. And I never said he was "uneducated." Being someone that has a doctorate, I know full well that fools can come from anywhere, especially academia.

PS you wouldn't say DQ might've been a *little* slow? Even I could concede that.

I totally agree!

Wow, this whole thread is really sad.

Sad from the beginning, that an elected official of the Unites States of America would even suggest or hint at some of the things he said.

If he's so unhappy here, maybe he should have stayed over there!

Politics aside, (totally aside!) he is an American, an elected official, and especially in times of war, should demonstrate total support of his country. What an outrage.

No wonder our country is in trouble.

If an elected official of the USA isn't patrotic, politics aside, God help us.

 

[eclectics]

If an elected official of the USA isn't patrotic, politics aside, God help us.

For the 1,794,346th time, disagreeing with this administrations policies (no matter how shrilly it is done) does NOT mean someone is unpatriotic. And btw, Al Gore is a private citizen now, not an elected official

 

[rockin_rep]

For the 1,794,346th time, disagreeing with this administrations policies (no matter how shrilly it is done) does NOT mean someone is unpatriotic. And btw, Al Gore is a private citizen now, not an elected official

I disagree.

He WAS an elected official and of course he's still regarded as such!

There's no chance, no possible way on God's green earth that he would have been speaking there as a private citizen!
(now, THAT's funny.)

It is highly inappropriate for a former U.S Senator, a former Vice President and a former presidential candidate to be on foreign soil, attacking US foreign policy, blaming it on the current administration in his hysterical tone, while we are at war.

 

[eclectics]

There's no chance, no possible way on God's green earth that he would have been speaking there as a private citizen!
(now, THAT's funny.)



It is highly inappropriate for a former U.S Senator, a former Vice President and a former presidential candidate to be on foreign soil, attacking US foreign policy, blaming it on the current administration in his hysterical tone, while we are at war.

Well, if he's not on the government payroll anymore and he's not a private citizen either, that must mean he's representing the United States in some official capacity. When did President Bush hire him as one of his spokesmen?



He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and in whatever tone he wants, just as you have every right to call it inappropriate. If you don't like it, send him an email.

 

[bsnyder]

It is highly inappropriate for a former U.S Senator, a former Vice President and a former presidential candidate to be on foreign soil, attacking US foreign policy, blaming it on the current administration in his hysterical tone, while we are at war.

You must not have gotten the latest talking points.

We're not really at war. It's all a figment of your imagination, cooked up by President Bush to keep you in a state of perpetual fear. 9/11 never really happened. And these people don't really exist.

 

[sodaseller]

Note that none of Gore's attackers address the veracity of his statements in reaching their conclusions.