Iran develops nuclear weapons. What, me worry?

[rie'smom]

Sorry. I recently turned 39 and am fearing 40. I don't really think you're old. I just like to keep reminding myself that I'm not 40 and therefore am not old. (39, youngish - not even close to old!)

Come float with me in my bubble (like that Wii Fit girl on her water) down the river of denial...or at least don't burst my bubble.

No problem. I actually feel better now than I did at 39 or 40.

 

["Got Disney"]

double post

 

["Got Disney"]

OH Steve, now their ya go again ....TiSK TiSK

 

[Disney Doll]

Folks, at this point I think we need to agree that Steve just marches to the beat of a different drummer and leave it at that.

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

 

[Mahnahmahnah]

I am against gun control. I did say the I would never buy a gun for myself, but that's only because I prefer to choke people rather than shoot them.

Oh Tag Fairy!

 

[challer]

It doesn't matter what you call it. If foreign troops are on Lebanese soil and the Lebanese don't want them there the Lebanese are justified in trying to get those foreign troops out. The Lebanese succeeded, let's get over it.

Hypothetical situation:

A multinational peacekeeping force is sent to southern Israel to keep peace between Gaza and Israel. Israeli civillians go and blow up 250 troops from the US, EU, etc, because "they don't want foreigners on their soil." This would be justified by your standards? It seems like it.

The key here is that there was a foreign presence there not just because they wanted to, but rather because Islamic and PLO thugs were trying to maim, rape, torture and exterminate the Lebanese Christian civilian population. The Lebanese may not have like the foreign presence there, but if a foreign presence were here in the US to protect me from hypothetical American thugs trying to exterminate my family, I welcome them with open arms. And your choking those foreigners would put me and my family in danger.

 

[challer]

Folks, at this point I think we need to agree that Steve just marches to the beat of a different drummer and leave it at that.

As long as that drummer is playing at the funerals of non-Americans.

 

[dcentity2000]

As long as that drummer is playing at the funerals of non-Americans.

Including the Swiss?



Rich::

 

[WhereOWhere]

Ahh look, it's the good old "If you're against us, you're not an American". Tried and true conservative tactic.

Was wondering how long till you guys pulled that one out! Oh wait, you already pulled out the "He must be young and naive because he doesn't agree with us".

Maybe Steve has a global view, which quite a few people on the DIS seem to be lacking.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

...Maybe Steve has a global view, which quite a few people on the DIS seem to be lacking.

Could be, but I'll go with another view that I can't post. Feel free to disagree...

 

[challer]

Ahh look, it's the good old "If you're against us, you're not an American". Tried and true conservative tactic.

I missed something. Who said this?

Maybe Steve has a global view, which quite a few people on the DIS seem to be lacking.

I don't consider "how many US lives must be sacrificed" to help others in danger a "global view."

 

[NYDisGuy]

Hypothetical situation:

A multinational peacekeeping force is sent to southern Israel to keep peace between Gaza and Israel. Israeli civillians go and blow up 250 troops from the US, EU, etc, because "they don't want foreigners on their soil." This would be justified by your standards? It seems like it.

The key here is that there was a foreign presence there not just because they wanted to, but rather because Islamic and PLO thugs were trying to maim, rape, torture and exterminate the Lebanese Christian civilian population. The Lebanese may not have like the foreign presence there, but if a foreign presence were here in the US to protect me from hypothetical American thugs trying to exterminate my family, I welcome them with open arms. And your choking those foreigners would put me and my family in danger.

Be careful with that statement. Again, the U.S. is not the rest of the world. Different cultures believe in different things.

 

[NYDisGuy]

I agree. If a nuclear weapon is detonated and Iran is even remotely suspected, that entire country will be turned into the world's largest glass sculpture.

That said, though, I'd rather they not develop a nuke. If they do, I don't think even the U.S. could hold Israel back from waging a full scale bombardment of Iran. That would not be good.

I disagree. Unless launched from Iran, "remotely suspected" is not means for a nuclear war until further investigated.

 

[challer]

Be careful with that statement. Again, the U.S. is not the rest of the world. Different cultures believe in different things.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

Are you saying that the extermination of another ethnic group should be considered a "cultural difference?"

Please elaborate.

 

[NYDisGuy]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

Are you saying that the extermination of another ethnic group should be considered a "cultural difference?"

Please elaborate.

I'm saying we shouldn't be so quick to judge what we don't necessarily understand. Some groups have religious differences that can't be worked out in a board room, others feel that they are naturally oppressed by any form of government, etc.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I'm saying we shouldn't be so quick to judge what we don't necessarily understand. Some groups have religious differences that can't be worked out in a board room, others feel that they are naturally oppressed by any form of government, etc.

While I agree with the concept, there have to be limits. I don't have to understand why one group hates another to know that it is wrong for them to murder one another...

 

[NYDisGuy]

While I agree with the concept, there have to be limits. I don't have to understand why one group hates another to know that it is wrong for them to murder one another...

I agree, but their definition of murder could be different from our definition. Dying in battle in a fight is an honor in many tribal and religious standards. Take Israel for instance. Jerusalem has been a target of attacks for thousands of years. Some of the most advanced factions of their time attacked Jerusalem in the name of God and Allah. To Christians, Muslims and Jewish religions, this is seen as a glorious battle and a lifetime achievement. To others, it is viewed as crazy and unjustifiable. Extermination was the only way Jerusalem could be taken, even in God's eyes.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

I agree, but their definition of murder could be different from our definition. Dying in battle in a fight is an honor in many tribal and religious standards. Take Israel for instance. Jerusalem has been a target of attacks for thousands of years. Some of the most advanced factions of their time attacked Jerusalem in the name of God and Allah. To Christians, Muslims and Jewish religions, this is seen as a glorious battle and a lifetime achievement. To others, it is viewed as crazy and unjustifiable. Extermination was the only way Jerusalem could be taken, even in God's eyes.

I don't want to get stuck in the middle of them, but sometimes you have to do so. Example - even if the NAZIs really thought that they were doing the right thing, the entire world still had an obligation to stop them from exterminating the Jews. But if Germany hadn't decided to try and take over the entire western world, we would have sat by and watched it happen.

I don't know what the right thing to do is - but we cannot become isolationist again, and we can no longer afford to provide security for the entire western world.

 

[bimshire]

Steve:

Is this a path to peace?

Israel has nuclear weapons. Why don't the Iranians give the Palestinians enough of the same so that it would be a fair fight. Let them as each other for as long as necessary and Viola!

Peace in the Middle East.