Iran develops nuclear weapons. What, me worry?

[Mr Man]

You know, I was just reading the title to this thread and it came to me.

 

[challer]

I'm saying we shouldn't be so quick to judge what we don't necessarily understand. Some groups have religious differences that can't be worked out in a board room, others feel that they are naturally oppressed by any form of government, etc.

Still don't know what this has to do with my previous post.

 

[challer]

Steve:

Is this a path to peace?

Israel has nuclear weapons. Why don't the Iranians give the Palestinians enough of the same so that it would be a fair fight. Let them as each other for as long as necessary and Viola!

Peace in the Middle East.

There is a difference between having nukes as a deterrence and having them as a threat. Israel has them because there are 22 Arab nations surrounding Israel who are ready to pop the champagne after their destruction. Iran is trying to get them as a power ploy, and will feel free waving them in the air towards Israel as they speak of erasing the Zionist entity.

And Iran-backed Hamas continues to lob rockets into civillian areas now - even during the current "ceasefire."

 

[DawnCt1]

But what's really interesting is that we have to go back to 1984 to find an alleged incident of Iranian aggression against the US.

All you have to do is look at the past few years continuously is Iraq. They have been supporting insurgents who have killed our troops with IEDs.

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

All you have to do is look at the past few years continuously is Iraq. They have been supporting insurgents who have killed our troops with IEDs.

There is absolutely no proof of this. A country like Iran could provide the most sophisticated weapons, and instead they are giving them IED's???? DOes that make sense to you??? Don't be so gullible.

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

Steve:

Is this a path to peace?

Israel has nuclear weapons. Why don't the Iranians give the Palestinians enough of the same so that it would be a fair fight. Let them as each other for as long as necessary and Viola!

Peace in the Middle East.

I don't know if giving them nukes is a good idea but I can tell you this: if the Palestinians were strong enough to stand up to the Israelis, Israel would stop building settlements on the West Bank, Palestinians would have their own country and eventually there would be peace in the middle east.

 

[challer]

I don't know if giving them nukes is a good idea but I can tell you this: if the Palestinians were strong enough to stand up to the Israelis, Israel would stop building settlements on the West Bank, Palestinians would have their own country and eventually there would be peace in the middle east.

And there goes your last shred of credibility...

 

[DawnCt1]

And there goes your last shred of credibility...

Exactly, do you ever say to yourself; "Whats the use?"

 

[dcentity2000]

And there goes your last shred of credibility...

Well, not entirely. I do agree with the idea that stopping Israeli settling on the West Bank and giving the Palestinians their own nation would be a good thing. Further than that I won't and can't comment on.



Rich::

 

[DisneyMomOK]

Ahh look, it's the good old "If you're against us, you're not an American". Tried and true conservative tactic.

Was wondering how long till you guys pulled that one out! Oh wait, you already pulled out the "He must be young and naive because he doesn't agree with us".

Maybe Steve has a global view, which quite a few people on the DIS seem to be lacking.

I think there is another answer: Steve told us on another thread he is anxious to reach his "true potential", because he saw "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" five times... So, possibly that's why he does not worry about Iran; he is prepared!!!!!!

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

And there goes your last shred of credibility...

Ok, enlighten me. Why is ending the settlements a bad thing? Why is a Palestinian homeland a bad thing? MY credibility??? What about your HUMANITY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[Master Mason]

Israel has about 200 nuclear weapons.

Out of Idle curiosity, How exactly do you know this, since Isreal doesn't admit that they even have any????

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

Out of Idle curiosity, How exactly do you know this, since Isreal doesn't admit that they even have any????

If I'm wrong, you can correct me.

 

[Master Mason]

If I'm wrong, you can correct me.

I just did.

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

I just did.

I'm sorry. As you can tell from my posts I'm not very bright. Can you be a bit more specific?

 

[Master Mason]

I'm sorry. As you can tell from my posts I'm not very bright. Can you be a bit more specific?

You put out a number of nukes that Isreal has without a shread of evidence to support it, since Isreal doesn't even admit that they have any, you can't possibly know that they have 200.

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

You put out a number of nukes that Isreal has without a shread of evidence to support it, since Isreal doesn't even admit that they have any, you can't possibly know that they have 200.

Ok, tell us how many you think they have?

 

[Master Mason]

Ok, tell us how many you think they have?

I have no idea, and no access to any of the highly clasified data that would be required to even make an educated guess.

 

[Charade]

Ok, tell us how many you think they have?

12

 

[challer]

Ok, enlighten me. Why is ending the settlements a bad thing? Why is a Palestinian homeland a bad thing? MY credibility??? What about your HUMANITY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

You didn't say "Israel should end settlement s because it'll be a good thing." You said that Israel should stop settlements, Palestinians should have their own state, and then there will be peace in the middle east. If you know anything about past and present Mid East history, you know that math doesn't add up.

Ending settlements purely to get Jews out of the West Bank in itself is not good. Palestinians are both asking for Jews to get out of the West Bank and to allow Palestinians to go back into Israel and get their previous homes. Meaning they want to remove or replace Jews. Jews have no chance of becoming citizens of the future Palestinian state. Settlements in itself are not pure evil, while they do not help.

The evil here is that Palestinians want Jews out of Israel total. Israel removed all Jewish settlements from Gaza, gave Gaza back to the PA, and it turned into a launching pad for Hamas into Israel. Palestinians also destroyed the economic infrastructure that the Israelis left behind - such as greenhouses and factories that produced alot of money and jobs - in their celebration of getting Gaza back. Even now, after Israel pulled their troops out, rockets are still being launched into Sderot and Ashkelon from Gaza into civilian areas. Do you truly think it is because Gazans are fighting for the West Bank to be liberated? Read the Hamas charter - you'll get your answer.

Why should Israel remove their presence from West Bank in order to make it easier for the Palestinian terrorists to kill more Israelis? Does Israel need to be sandwiched by two Gazas? There are too many Palestinians who won't stop their fighting until all infidels are removed from the Mediterranean to the Jordan, and the moderate Fatah is teaching their youth the same thing in the official PA schooltexts (being taught in UNRWA schools, mind you), so waiting another generation is pointless.

Your "No settlements + Palestinian State next to Israel = Peace in Mid East" is simply naive, ignorant, or terribly biased against Israel, IMHO.