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Our school system is in the process of becoming authorized to teach using this IB program. I attended a meeting with the North American representative today and am impressed with what I've heard.

Does anyone else's school participate in this program? What can you tell me about it?
 
We do. We run both an AP program and an IB program. I enjoy teaching IB-related curricular material more because, IMHO, the testing process in IB encourages a more creative thought process that the AP program. (I like the AP program, too. It's just that it encourages a more rigid thought process.) On the other hand, the way that our district adopted IB, it's an all-or-nothing thing. Our students can't just take a few IB courses the way they can take a few AP courses. So, the IB kids have a tendency to be more "school involved" with less time. I'm not sure I could have handled that kind of load as a high school student. That is not the way it has to be because districts can adopt IB programs that allow students to take "strands." Ours just didn't. (I teach 9th grade pre-IB language arts. I like the emphasis on world literature AND writing.)

Julie
 
My school is an entire IB school (public middle school in NJ). About a third of the schools in the district are full IB, and the plans are for the entire district (12 elementary, 3 middle, and 2 high school) being entirely IB eventually.

How they teach IB is wonderful. The areas of interaction are used continually and referred to often. Most of the lessons revolved around **** Faber, Environment, and Service Learning. All IB students were required to do community service hours. The students also had a "reflection journal", which they wrote in to either 1) tie in lessons from various disciplines.. 2) value which area of interaction they are learning about, etc.

The teachers did a wonderful job tying them all together. That required effort, and planning. Some of it was easy, some was more of a stretch to tie it all togehter.

The high school has an intensive IB program. Its an exclusive college preparatory program, that may or may not include credit for college. (thats the debate at the moment.. some of the AP courses are considered college credit, etc) The IB high school students get a special IB diploma.

At the elementary level, they still teach the areas of interaction. Of course, its easier to tie it all in because its usually one teacher in elementary.
 
Cindy and Julie, thanks for your responses. Julie, I didn't know that there were any other IB programs in Alabama!

Dr. Durway mentioned that in the state of FL any student who graduates with an IB diploma is eligible to go to any FL college tuition-free. That is amazing.

I am amazed at the level of the upper years program....the foreign language requirement is really tough, as is the math. Our kids attend the magnet school program now, which uses inquiry based learning, so I don't think it will be a far stretch to incorporate the IB program. The problem came when all of these kids entered middle school and had absolutely no support. Most of them floundered.

I think I am really getting excited about this!
 

I was in IB - for one year. Hated it. (warning, long rant follows)

Not because of the workload, I found the assignments rather easy actually. But (and no offense intended to anyone here) because of the teachers.

The high school I was at (for that year) was a regular high school that had an IB program. They made a big deal about the program, and how it was so advanced and we'd be taking university-level studies by the end of the program etc. But it used the same teachers they were using for the regular courses. Some of the teachers were good, one was very good, several were terrible.

The math teacher didn't like teaching, and made it known to us. On the first day of class she told us that she didn't care if we showed up to class or not, that she had to sit there and teach even if it was to an empty room so it really didn't matter to her if we were in class.

The science teacher was a lecherous toad, that favoured the pretty girls. And I mean obviously favoured. On the days when I'd get more "dolled up" for whatever reason, he'd always make sure that he tood particularly close to me when checking on my work. Creeped me out to no end, and made me really dislike science class.

The English teacher hated my writing style. I'd have points deducted because she didn't like how I had phrased things. At one point we were reading Dickens, and I just could not get through the book. I'm an avid reader, but for whatever reason I could not read this book. I would start to, but within an hour my head was just pounding. I didn't find out for a few years that I actually needed glasses, and the print in that book was particularly difficult to read. In the meantime, all the teacher did was tell me I was being lazy and irresponsible. I would end up in tears trying to explain to her that I HAD tried to read the book, but she would not listen. Toward the end of the year she had apparently had enough of me and called my mother to complain. If my mother had any doubts about my version of the troubles I was having in English, that call settled it. My mother and I have different last names - she called my mother by the wrong name. She spent 10 minutes complaining about how I shouldn't be in IB and maybe even shouldn't be in grade 10 because I obviously hadn't picked up a lot of the things I should have learned in grade 9. My mother kindly pointed out to her that a) Mrs XXXX was not her name, and b) I hadn't gone to grade 9. I had in fact skipped grade 9, and was put straight from grade 8 into grade 10 IB. But the teacher hadn't bothered to look at my file for anything other than the phone number to call my mother, so for most of the school year she had been scolding and berating me for what she perceived as deficiencies, when she hadn't even bothered to check the file at all during that time.

For the remaining 2 years of high school I went to a collegiate owned by one of the local universities. It was a private school so it cost money, but the education that I received there was leaps and bounds beyond what I got in IB. And not only was I in a university setting, I would have been allowed to take some university courses in my final year (had I elected to).

I'm sure other IB schools aren't the same. At least I sure hope they're not.
 
On the other hand, the way that our district adopted IB, it's an all-or-nothing thing.

This is the biggest problem with it, IMO. It doesn't leave much flexibility. Our son's HS offers IB, AP and their own "gifted program" diploma called "Lyceum" which is an offshoot of the AP program. The latter is what we and our son chose because he has the most flexibility in following his interests AND helping to earn AP credits. Our older son did the AP program a few years ago and was almost a "junior" in credits when he started college. That has given him a LOT of flexibility in how he pursues his bachelor's degree.
 
Our school offers the IB diploma and AP program. But it also offers IB certificates. My dd will get hers in Math, English and Theater. All of her other classes are AP. The whole IB Diploma is very difficult to obtain if you have a kid interested in lots of extra curricluars and sports. My dd is in SGA, cheer and drama and could not do all of those if she was an IB diploma canidate. She is a good time manager, but not good enough to juggle the academics and extra activities.

Good luck if you and your child wish to persue the diploma.
 
Wow...this is just what I was looking for. We, of course, have been hearing the glowing reports of the IB directors. I need to speak more directly with some of the teachers to learn their opinion.

Amberle...I'm sorry you had such a terrible experience. It sounds like those teachers would have been terrible in any situation. Very disappointing.

cheeringmom...I had assumed that extracurricular activities would go hand in hand with the program....service clubs, etc. Do they conflict? Oh, I see the difference between the certificates and the diploma now. It's too bad that they are not more flexible.

I am still learning!!!!
 
I know several of the Birmingham districts have IB programs implemented, and we've had ours running for a number of years now in Auburn.

About extra curricular activities -- if your district adopts the "all or nothing" option, it's very rigorous. Your child has to be quite an exceptional learner to take it on. The community service aspect is spectacular and requires extra commitment, and many teens who thrive in IB are involved in other activities as well because it's just part of their natures to be able to do it all. But students who aren't truly gifted have to work very hard.

Julie
 
Originally posted by JulieWent
I know several of the Birmingham districts have IB programs implemented, and we've had ours running for a number of years now in Auburn.

About extra curricular activities -- if your district adopts the "all or nothing" option, it's very rigorous. Your child has to be quite an exceptional learner to take it on. . But students who aren't truly gifted have to work very hard.

Julie

Yes, the students that aren't truly gifted do have a hard time. I work with special education children, and they do tend to struggle in the IB system.
 
My DD did her Freshman year at an IB school in B'ham. It was all or nothing and she was unable to complete her work and also participate in extracurricular activities. IMO, it was beyond rigorous. She is gifted and still struggled. It was a tough decision, but she decided to go back to her regular HS and take AP classes instead beginning her Soph year.

She is much happier now.

I agree with the other posters, it would be much better for the kids if they could choose some IB classes without having to take all or none.
 
Originally posted by nkjzmom
Our school system is in the process of becoming authorized to teach using this IB program. I attended a meeting with the North American representative today and am impressed with what I've heard.

Does anyone else's school participate in this program? What can you tell me about it?




Do you know yet if it will be structured as an all or nothing program where you are?

It is offered at just one high school in our district - all or nothing.

We considered it; but when we talked with parents and students in IB, we just felt that the type of time commitments they were describing were too much to allow for the extra curricular activities DD was already involved in and didn't want to give up.
She's taking AP and dual enrollment classes instead. It's still a big time commitment - but so far seems more flexible and not as much pressure as we were hearing about with the IB program.

Now, if there was an incentive like the one you heard about in Florida.... I would have wanted DD to re-evaluate how important some of her extra curricular activities really are. ;)
 












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