Interesting "NextGen" stuff for Disney Parks

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Looks like Disney is moving forward with their Next Generation initiative.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/the-...eneration-experience-20110217,0,5411916.story

OrlandoSentinel.com

Disney says guests will be able to reserve ride times from home

By Jason Garcia, Orlando Sentinel

6:23 PM EST, February 17, 2011

Future visitors to Walt Disney World will be able to reserve ride times from their home computers and bypass hotel check-in desks once they arrive at the resort, the head of the Walt Disney Co.'s global theme-park division said during an investors conference Thursday.

Those advances are among of a series of technological initiatives Disney is developing in hopes of making visits to its increasingly crowded theme parks easier to plan and less intimidating to navigate, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Chairman Tom Staggs said at the conference in Anaheim, Calif.

"In the coming years, we'll introduce a broad set of systems and tools that will help us create a more seamless and personalized experience and help guests get more out of their visit with us," Staggs said. The ultimate goal, he added, is "to welcome more and more people, while making their experience more satisfying, more personal and more immersive."

Staggs' comments provided the first detailed glimpse at a secretive initiative dubbed "Next Generation Experience," or "NextGen," that Walt Disney Parks and Resorts has been working on for more than a year. The budget for the project is said to be around $1 billion — as much money as Disney spent to build its recently launched Disney Dream cruise ship.

In his remarks Thursday, Staggs described a "version of Fast Pass for an entire Disney vacation." Future guests, he said, will be able to reserve specific ride times for popular attractions, secure seating for shows, make restaurant reservations and pre-book other experiences before they leave their homes on vacation.

They will also be able to obtain their room keys in advance, eliminating the need to check into hotels and allowing them to proceed immediately to their rooms or a theme park once they arrive on Disney property.

Other advances, he said, will include personalizing rides and character greetings for individual guests, adding more interactive queues to entertain people while they wait in line for attractions, and designing behind-the-scenes systems for operations workers to better monitor and steer crowd flow to ease congestion.

Disney will also aim to cull more personal information from its guests, which Staggs said "will put better information into the hands of our cast, so they can deliver even better and more personalized service for our guests." Although Staggs did not specify what information Disney would seek, possibilities range from simple details such as names and birth dates to favorite characters and credit-card numbers. Access to such information would allow Disney to target more personalized sales offers to guests, even as they wander around its parks.

Staggs didn't go into further details about how Disney intends to implement some of the plans, and the company would not elaborate on his comments. But there is widespread speculation among former Disney executives and bloggers who follow the company that some of the plans will use radio-frequency identification, or RFID, microchips that can be implanted into tickets or wristbands, loaded with personal information and used to interact with sensors installed in everything from hotel-room doors to ride animatronics.

Disney has signed a confidentiality agreement with a California company that manufactures RFID wristbands, whose clients include other amusement operators such as Great Wolf Resorts.

Staggs declined to say when Disney will launch many of the initiatives, though some elements — such as interactive queues — have been slowly rolling out in parks in recent months. Staggs said Disney has applied for "a number" of patents related to the work.

"It will be some time before we roll out the bulk of these developments," he said. "But we're well into development."

The decision to pump $1 billion or more into developing systems that help with vacation planning and crowd flow underscores one of the biggest challenges facing Disney's flagship theme-park resorts — particularly Disney World, which has four parks and roughly 25,000 hotel rooms.

As those resorts have grown bigger over the years, they have also become more complex to navigate and more crowded, threatening to undermine Disney's historically high guest-satisfaction ratings and to deter repeat visits.

"We know that our guests love creating great memories," Staggs said. "We also know they don't exactly relish waiting in line, checking in at the resort, worrying about missing their favorite attractions, or feeling uncertain about how to best navigate and access our properties."

There are risks. Former company officials have questioned whether technological advances would boost attendance or guest-spending enough to justify the billion-dollar price tag — or whether advance-planning by some guests could spoil the experience for those who do not pre-plan and arrive at a park only to find the most popular attractions already booked.

Privacy advocates could also protest if they think Disney is collecting too much personal information about its guests.

But Scott Smith, an instructor at the University of Central Florida's Rosen College of Hospitality Management, said there are also several advantages to the projects Disney described. Issuing hotel-room keys in advance, for instance, will ensure Disney gets its guests into its parks more quickly.

Smith likened it to similar advance-check-in options at some Las Vegas casino resorts where "the idea is that you go right to the craps table.

"Disney is probably looking at the same type of philosophy," Scott said. "The sooner we check you in, the sooner you go into our parks and start spending money."

Also, a new generation of technology-savvy travelers increasingly expects features such as customizable vacations and interactive attractions, he said.

"Their audience is so much more sophisticated now," Smith said. "If you're not investing in this already, you're going to get left behind. And the last thing Disney wants is to be saddled with the reputation of being old school."

jrgarcia@tribune.com or 407-420-5414

Copyright © 2011, Orlando Sentinel
 
Disney introduces the total death spontaneity.

People are obsessed and freaked out over ADR's, can you imagine what the boards are gonna be like once they can reserve their ride times and show seats from home? :scared:
 
so when will this go into effect?

and i'm one of those people freaking out at the thought of it..

i think i'm starting to long for a park where there's no advance anything...
no planning..
everything is spontaneous....
probably not in the cards, eh?
 
THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

As I mentioned in a simlar thread (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2659820).
The Disney parks were not made to be museums, but living, breathing, changing entities. Seems like most people, but especially people on boards like this, want everything to remain as is, because any change make things "not like the old days, when everything was perfect".

To me, if Disney says it's coming, then it's coming. If you made a list of complaints about not only Disney parks, but any amusement parks, the number one issue would be waiting in line. Seems to me that Disney is taking the time to alleviate visitors of this burden in new and unique ways.

Look at the new waiting area at the Pooh ride, and the interactive games along the space mountain queue. The technology mentioned b the OP is taking this all to the next level.

We all fear change, but either you embrace it or let it run you over. The "olden days" were never that great, and the future will never be that bad.

I also find it hilarious how almost everyone on here thinks of "worst case scenarios" when it comes to ANYTHING new. I've read terms like "minority report theme park", "I'd sell mt DVC membership in a second", and the ever popular "tying your fast passes to what resort you are staying at".

One word people "CHILL!!!". This isn't some random guy saying things off the top of his head. Millions of dollars of planning is going into this.

Look at it this way, would you rather have huge lines at every ride and no fast passes at all (aka Harry Potter opening day)?
 

Hey, if all these people stop coming because Disney has "killed their spontaneity" there will be shorter lines anyway! :lmao:

Can we all stop a minute and remember the man who coined the phrase "Keep Moving Forward!"? Part of Walt's excitement in the theme parks was that they would keep evolving and changing and getting better and better. Hey, he was excited that the trees would grow in Disneyland and the area would get prettier every year!

I'm excited about what they're doing and I can't wait to see the results!
 
It's life imitating art all the old (what we thought were bad) aci-fi movies coming to life, I can see it now animatronic charchter calls your name and tells you that you have been chosen for elimination !
 
It's life imitating art all the old (what we thought were bad) aci-fi movies coming to life, I can see it now animatronic charchter calls your name and tells you that you have been chosen for elimination !

Great, now I'm going to have to watch "Logan's Run" again today.
 
THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

As I mentioned in a simlar thread (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2659820).


I also find it hilarious how almost everyone on here thinks of "worst case scenarios" when it comes to ANYTHING new. I've read terms like "minority report theme park", "I'd sell mt DVC membership in a second", and the ever popular "tying your fast passes to what resort you are staying at".

One word people "CHILL!!!". This isn't some random guy saying things off the top of his head. Millions of dollars of planning is going into this.

Look at it this way, would you rather have huge lines at every ride and no fast passes at all (aka Harry Potter opening day)?

well, i'm not going to be able to stop wishing for a time when there were a lot fewer people at the parks......

but if there have to be so many people, then clever crowd/line control is the way to go....
 
Disney has been kicking this and similar ideas around for a couple years now. It's coming and unless someone comes up with a brighter idea bookiong ride times, show times, and anything else will eventually come to pass.

Disney's biggest complaint from guests is wait times at attractions. Wait times also cost Disney a ton of theme park revenue each year. If they can set appointments with guests at various attractions it frees the guest up to shop, eat, and participate in other paid experiences thus increasing Disney's theme park revenue. It would be a huge windfall for Disney and provide a better guest experience. The logistics of how it will all work is the real question and if Disney's IT infrastructure can handle the huge increase in requests and transactions. :rolleyes1
 
We've all seen the talking Mickey character on You Tube. Not too long from now, these characters will greet your child BY NAME when they interact in the parks!

Can you imagine the look on your child's face when Mickey knows or remembers their name! Disney will always be on the cutting edge of the theme park business. They started it and will always invest in new technologies.
 
I think when Disney says "reserving ride times," I believe they are talking about reserving Fast Pass times in advance. I think there will always be single rider line. Once again, those that do research ahead of their trips will be the ones that will be able to take advantage of these new crowd control methodologies. My greatest joy at the parks now, is slowing down the vacation to my pace and making only a few reservations. I do not want my trip to be constrained by time points that I have to hit everyday. We have done the commando thing and I find it serves a purpose, just not my purpose.
 
I've been pretty vocal about how I feel about the dining plan and deciding 6 months in advance where you want to eat and at what time.

Now, deciding what shows I want to see, what attractions I want to try and where I want to dine in advance doesnt sound like vacation to me.

It sounds like a job.

I'm all for enhancing guest experiences and I think Disney does a pretty good job with that, but this sounds like it will remove the spontaneity of my vacation.

I feel this would be akin to deciding to visit the Louvre, calling ahead, telling them what art works I'd like to view and then taking a seat while they bring the art to me.

I might see the major artworks, but I'd miss the opportunity to explore and discover them on my own. I might also miss something that might truly inspire.

Maybe I'm getting to sound like that guy that says thing like "back in my day", but this idea seems....I dont know....automated.

I also anticipate the tremendous issues with Disney and computers / websites etc.

We all know how well Disney websites work.:)
 
I've been pretty vocal about how I feel about the dining plan and deciding 6 months in advance where you want to eat and at what time.

Now, deciding what shows I want to see, what attractions I want to try and where I want to dine in advance doesnt sound like vacation to me.

It sounds like a job.

I'm all for enhancing guest experiences and I think Disney does a pretty good job with that, but this sounds like it will remove the spontaneity of my vacation.

I feel this would be akin to deciding to visit the Louvre, calling ahead, telling them what art works I'd like to view and then taking a seat while they bring the art to me.

I might see the major artworks, but I'd miss the opportunity to explore and discover them on my own. I might also miss something that might truly inspire.

Maybe I'm getting to sound like that guy that says thing like "back in my day", but this idea seems....I dont know....automated.

I also anticipate the tremendous issues with Disney and computers / websites etc.

We all know how well Disney websites work.:)

Smelling the roses! It sounds like Disney does not want you to smell the roses.
 
As much as making an ADR 180 or even 90 days out is ridiculous I have found that it isn't the sky is falling scenario so many people make it out to be. On the vast majority of my trips I make only one or even no ADRs and have managed to not starve to death so far. Sure, some times I have to go with a second or third choice restaurant but I really don't care, I just want something decent when I am hungry. I also avoid free dining or peak travel season anyway so that takes care of some of the restaurant crowds too.

I would hate to travel with a pre-defined schedule around when and where I am going to eat so I don't and I don't anticipate making advanced line reservations. I think people will find they don't have to make advanced ride reservations any more than they have to make ADRs.
 
Now, deciding what shows I want to see, what attractions I want to try and where I want to dine in advance doesnt sound like vacation to me.

It sounds like a job.

I feel this would be akin to deciding to visit the Louvre, calling ahead, telling them what art works I'd like to view and then taking a seat while they bring the art to me.

I might see the major artworks, but I'd miss the opportunity to explore and discover them on my own. I might also miss something that might truly inspire.

Maybe I'm getting to sound like that guy that says thing like "back in my day", but this idea seems....I dont know....automated.

Yes, it does sound like a job. Matter of fact, it's already a little bit like that. I don't plan anything at all like I used to, but it's still work to plan my trips. Enjoyable work that I love doing, but a little "jobby" none the less.

I'm no Chicken Little and I realize we know very, very little about it at this point, but still just the thought of "reserving ride times" from home, makes me slightly queasy.

I love the Lourve analogy. The thought in my head was people on those flying things in Wall-E. We'll just be whisked from attraction to attraction and everything in-between will just be a blur as we go by.
 
I've been pretty vocal about how I feel about the dining plan and deciding 6 months in advance where you want to eat and at what time.

Now, deciding what shows I want to see, what attractions I want to try and where I want to dine in advance doesnt sound like vacation to me.

It sounds like a job.

I'm all for enhancing guest experiences and I think Disney does a pretty good job with that, but this sounds like it will remove the spontaneity of my vacation.

I feel this would be akin to deciding to visit the Louvre, calling ahead, telling them what art works I'd like to view and then taking a seat while they bring the art to me.

I might see the major artworks, but I'd miss the opportunity to explore and discover them on my own. I might also miss something that might truly inspire.

Maybe I'm getting to sound like that guy that says thing like "back in my day", but this idea seems....I dont know....automated.

I also anticipate the tremendous issues with Disney and computers / websites etc.

We all know how well Disney websites work.:)
I totally agree with you, Kevin. I tried one time to do a trip with ADR's for each meal (because there are some restaurants I've just never been able to get into without an ADR, and I wanted to try them. And I normally go at *very* off-season times!). I did something I'd never done before, and accidentally got on the bus for MK instead of Epcot (where I had an ADR for lunch). So I figured I'd get off at the MK anyways, enjoy it for a while, then head over to Epcot on the monorail. Well, it was a GORGEOUS day, and the MK was absolutely empty! If I hadn't tied myself to ADR's I'd've just changed my plans & spent that day at the MK. It was much more crowded when I went the next day. Spontaneity shot to heck.

It's really frustrating to find myself at DHS, without an ADR, and find there's no-where to eat without an hour's wait.

I can so see it getting that way for rides. All the rides "booked" for the whole day before you even get there. I like certain aspects of this initiative, but reserving rides from home just sounds like the death knoll of enjoying my trips.

As much as making an ADR 180 or even 90 days out is ridiculous I have found that it isn't the sky is falling scenario so many people make it out to be. On the vast majority of my trips I make only one or even no ADRs and have managed to not starve to death so far. Sure, some times I have to go with a second or third choice restaurant but I really don't care, I just want something decent when I am hungry. I also avoid free dining or peak travel season anyway so that takes care of some of the restaurant crowds too.

I would hate to travel with a pre-defined schedule around when and where I am going to eat so I don't and I don't anticipate making advanced line reservations. I think people will find they don't have to make advanced ride reservations any more than they have to make ADRs.
But it's different to say "I can't eat in my favorite restaurant" and "I can't get on any of my favorite rides".

I'm not looking forward to this (and no, I'm not saying I don't want any changes. I just don't want *THIS* change!). I sure hope it would be reserved for peak attendance times, but I'm not holding my breath.

Sayhello
 
As much as making an ADR 180 or even 90 days out is ridiculous I have found that it isn't the sky is falling scenario so many people make it out to be. On the vast majority of my trips I make only one or even no ADRs and have managed to not starve to death so far. Sure, some times I have to go with a second or third choice restaurant but I really don't care, I just want something decent when I am hungry. I also avoid free dining or peak travel season anyway so that takes care of some of the restaurant crowds too.

I totally agree with this. Goodness knows I've never gone hungry at WDW with or without ADR's, but remember too, we travel to Disney differently than most people. We do solo trips or I go myself with just one child, both makes the eating thing much much easier than traveling as a family. True they won't starve either, but there are going to be more meals they want to do, more people to please, that kind of thing. I also don't know what it's like to go during a peak time, I've never gone during summer or spring break, I have a feeling ADR's are much more necessary than during the times we normally go.
 
I totally agree with this. Goodness knows I've never gone hungry at WDW with or without ADR's, but remember too, we travel to Disney differently than most people. We do solo trips or I go myself with just one child, both makes the eating thing much much easier than traveling as a family. True they won't starve either, but there are going to be more meals they want to do, more people to please, that kind of thing. I also don't know what it's like to go during a peak time, I've never gone during summer or spring break, I have a feeling ADR's are much more necessary than during the times we normally go.

It is easier to get in solo but the trip I just did in January there were 3 of us and we just kind of rolled with it. I did make and ADR at Portobello for Saturday night though because I new with the marathon they would have a huge wait and they did. If someone really wants a particular restaurant it makes sense to get the ADR. I just don't see the need to make 3 ADRs every day of the trip, or even most days, and pre-determine every place you are going to eat.

Back to the attraction reservations, I think the rides will still have plenty of capacity for anyone who wants to walk up and ride them but the people who make advanced "reservations" will just pull from the Fastpass allotment for that time. At least that is how I'd implement it if I was in charge of this project.
 
I've been pretty vocal about how I feel about the dining plan and deciding 6 months in advance where you want to eat and at what time.

Now, deciding what shows I want to see, what attractions I want to try and where I want to dine in advance doesnt sound like vacation to me.

It sounds like a job.

I'm all for enhancing guest experiences and I think Disney does a pretty good job with that, but this sounds like it will remove the spontaneity of my vacation.

I feel this would be akin to deciding to visit the Louvre, calling ahead, telling them what art works I'd like to view and then taking a seat while they bring the art to me.

I might see the major artworks, but I'd miss the opportunity to explore and discover them on my own. I might also miss something that might truly inspire.

Maybe I'm getting to sound like that guy that says thing like "back in my day", but this idea seems....I dont know....automated.

I also anticipate the tremendous issues with Disney and computers / websites etc.

We all know how well Disney websites work.:)

i totally agree Kevin!!

two years ago, DD and I visited in september and then 2 months later in November...both times we just went with the flow....did whatever, whenever....including eating....no ADRs, we just walked up...

it was such a lovely relaxing visit....i wish they all could be like that...
 












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