Interesting -- diplomats want Bush voted out

Originally posted by dmadman43
You mean like Vietnam? We saw how successful that decision was. Just ask the Cambodians. Wait! Millions of them were killed as a result. Darn!

The Pol Pot regime was responsible for the millions of deaths in Cambodia from 75 -79 after we pulled out of Viet Nam. In 79, I think the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia and overthrew Pol Pot.
I'm not saying they were any better but we fought in Viet Nam for 10 years and for what actual reason? To halt the spread of Communism? Time changes everything, I think?
I don't think our continued presence in Viet Nam would have kept Pol Pot from doing what he did.
 
dmadman43 i'm not worried about my credibilty. If you don't like what i say thats to bad. :mad:
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Yeah...It's a shame that Shrub can't show how he kept all of HIS medals in pristine condition since his days in 'Nam, huh ?

:rolleyes:
And the implication is that Kerry kept all of HIS medals? :rotfl: Maybe you missed the news that he threw his medals away in protest. Or was it the ribbons he threw away? Or were they even HIS medals/ribbons he threw away? Did he throw them or just lay them down? Geez, it's so hard to tell with Kerry because the story keeps changing every time he tells it.

Yeah... it's a shame that Kerry can't make up his mind on what he did with all of HIS medals since his days in 'Nam, huh?
 
Originally posted by jennyanydots
What I see happening in Iraq is something along the lines of "thank you for taking out Saddam, now go home!" We're not really wanted there anymore.
Yes, heaven forbid that the news media report anything POSITIVE that happens in Iraq. Can't risk screwing up the well-planned agenda now, can we? :rolleyes:
 

Originally posted by Van Helsing
Are you for real????


sleep deprivation - i suppose you could it that - beating someone or having dogs attack them- i guess that would keep you awake
:mad:


Guess you were right in one thing, you haven't kept up with events in Iraq :rolleyes:

Actually it seems I have. Going back thru the news it seems that the fallout from the beatings of the prisoners (which I don't condone) is that now we can't humilate and deprive them of sleep. The guards responsible for the beatings are being court-martialed (as they should) and there is a continued investigation of other 'real' atrocities. But now depriving them of sleep (only 4 hours a day for 3 days - then they can sleep for 12 the next day) and humiliating them by walking them thru the prison naked are also lumped in with the atrocities? These are now being banned as interrogation techniques. So much for extracting useful information that might save lives in the future.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122602,00.html
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
And the implication is that Kerry kept all of HIS medals? :rotfl: Maybe you missed the news that he threw his medals away in protest. Or was it the ribbons he threw away? Or were they even HIS medals/ribbons he threw away? Did he throw them or just lay them down? Geez, it's so hard to tell with Kerry because the story keeps changing every time he tells it.

Yeah... it's a shame that Kerry can't make up his mind on what he did with all of HIS medals since his days in 'Nam, huh?
Actually, the implication was that Kerry EARNED those medals, and he can do with them whatever he damn well pleases. But then, I guess they don't give out medals for attending dentist appointments and claiming that you "did your duty" :rolleyes:

THe point was that Kerry at least had the medals TO throw away....Dubya never did.
 
Originally posted by jennyanydots
What I see happening in Iraq is something along the lines of "thank you for taking out Saddam, now go home!" We're not really wanted there anymore.

Isn't that pretty much a French kind of thing to do? Seem to recall that attitude toward us in WWII. Fortunately for them their country wasn't crawling with factions just waiting for the opportunity to take them over.

So you really believe we can just pack up and go, and all will be well in Iraq? You seem to forget that even the interim government and the Iraqi security forces that are being put in place are also subject to the same kind of bombings and killings. How long do you think they will last?
 
Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
Now that a lot of the news programs have shed light on how botched everything has been, I'm against it.
And as usual, they aren't reporting anything on the positive things happening there thanks to our troops and allies.
 
Originally posted by disneydad2
Isn't that pretty much a French kind of thing to do? Seem to recall that attitude toward us in WWII. Fortunately for them their country wasn't crawling with factions just waiting for the opportunity to take them over.

So you really believe we can just pack up and go, and all will be well in Iraq? You seem to forget that even the interim government and the Iraqi security forces that are being put in place are also subject to the same kind of bombings and killings. How long do you think they will last?

No, all will not be well in Iraq. Give it a few years and the Ba'athists will be back. What a wasted effort.
 
I keep hearing people talk about the lack of coverage of the good news in Iraq. But no one is ever specific. You all have a forum right here. Why not be specific about what news you feel is being held back?
 
Do a search on the web of...progress rebuilding Iraq. You will find some articles. And they certainly won't be reported by mass media for the most part.

http://www.dod.mil/news/Oct2003/n10102003_200310101.html

American Forces Press Service

Bremer Cites 'Tremendous' Progress in Rebuilding Iraq

By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Oct. 10, 2003 – Acknowledging that "organized extremists" continue to attack coalition forces, the administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq cited "tremendous" progress in creating a secure environment, restoring essential services and beginning economic and democratic transformation.

Six months after Saddam Hussein was deposed, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer III said he doesn't think it's entirely true that the violence in Iraq hasn't decreased. Bremer made the comment in an interview with Charlie Gibson on ABC's "Good Morning America" today.

"We certainly have attacks on coalition forces, coming from organized extremists, and there is certainly a problem of common street crime," Bremer said. "You've got to remember that Saddam let 100,000 convicted criminals out of prison before the war, and we've got to find a way to deal with that."

But the coalition administrator added that "life is basically quite normal" in Baghdad, with mosques and markets full, and children playing soccer. "There's a lot of good news here," he said. "We just have to keep it in perspective."

In another media event, an Oct. 9 press conference in Baghdad, Bremer cited the coalition's completion of more than 1

3,000 reconstruction projects "large and small," all part of the strategic plan for rebuilding Iraq.

On the security front, he noted that six months ago, Iraq had no police on duty. Today, the Iraqi police force is 40,000 strong, with almost 7,000 police in Baghdad alone.

Six months ago, the surviving remnants of the Iraq army "had buried their planes and melted away," Bremer said. Today, the first battalion of the new Iraqi army has graduated from training and is on duty. Nationwide, more than 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens, Bremer said.

The coalition is making rapid progress in restoring Iraq's essential services, Bremer said, restoring electricity, reopening schools, and rebuilding the public health system.

Bremer reported that on Oct. 6, electrical power exceeded the pre-war average. If Congress approves President Bush's supplemental budget request for Iraq, Bremer said the coalition expects to be able to provide Iraqis around-the-clock service, which he said is "essential to their hopes and for the future."

Six months ago, all of Iraq's schools were closed. Today, Bremer said, all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges, as well as almost all primary and secondary schools, have reopened their doors. The coalition exceeded by 500 its goal of rehabilitating 1,000 schools by the time school opened, he said.

Although Iraq's economy was "flat on its back" six months ago, Bremer said, "today anyone walking the streets can see the wheels of commerce turning." Banks are open and making loans, and the central bank is fully independent, operating under what Bremer called "one of the world's most growth- oriented investment and banking laws." In addition, he said Iraq will introduce a single, unified currency next week, its first in 15 years.

Meanwhile, Bremer said, Iraq is moving steadily toward democracy. Gone is the Ministry of Information, which served as a check on free expression. Today, more than 170 newspapers are being published, and journalists and average citizens alike are free to travel, he said.

Representative government is appearing throughout the country, Bremer said. The country's 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government. Residents are establishing advisory councils. Chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing leaders.

"In six short months we have accomplished a lot," Bremer said, noting that the progress made "is only a beginning."

In today's "Good Morning America" interview, Bremer noted that the $20 billion portion to rebuild Iraq in the supplemental request has made it through the House Appropriations Committee. He said the money would help put Iraq on the road to complete economic recovery after 35 years of "incompetence."

Expressing the hope that Congress will approve the president's funding request, Bremer said that "if we can spend it well over the next 12 to 18 months, that will really be the lion's share of what we have to do here in Iraq."

Bringing Iraq to self-sufficiency won't happen overnight, but is critical to the future of Iraq, and to the global war on terror, he said.

"We are fighting terrorism here, and we will continue to fight it until it no longer threatens the hopes of Iraqis, the hopes of the world," Bremer said. "As the president … said, 'We will wage the war on terror until it is won.'"
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Actually, the implication was that Kerry EARNED those medals, and he can do with them whatever he damn well pleases. But then, I guess they don't give out medals for attending dentist appointments and claiming that you "did your duty" :rolleyes:

THe point was that Kerry at least had the medals TO throw away....Dubya never did.
No the point is Sen. Kerry threw them away as in they must not have been that important to begin with. But then I suppose his 3 PH did what he needed them to do -- get an early ticket home and after that they served their purpose. :rolleyes:

He may have earned them, but by throwing them away (or did he or did he throw someone else's away or were the medals or ribbons -- who knows the real story) he basically showed how much value they have for him.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
I keep hearing people talk about the lack of coverage of the good news in Iraq. But no one is ever specific. You all have a forum right here. Why not be specific about what news you feel is being held back?
Ok, how about the schools being reopened? How about women going to school for the first time in their life? How about basic living conditions being improved in city after city? Clean water being available? How about children being able to join in sporting events without the fear that if they lose, they could lose their life? How about women being able to join sports teams without the fear of being raped? How about newspapers and other journalists being able to speak their mind without the fear that their tounge would be cut out?

We hear about the "massive" deaths of the war - but no one every says the truth about those deaths - that in over 1 year of war, there have been less deaths than 2 months of Sadam's regime.

Are those the specifics you mean?
 
Yes, that is exactly what I meant, and the sarcasm was uncalled for.

I was not saying there was no good news, I was saying....HEY...we have a forum here....use it ! Make an effort at spreading the good news instead of complaining about how it is not out there enough.
 


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