Inspired by the "support our troops thread" lets say Kerry is elected......

[mudnuri]

A lot of people on the support our troops thread have stated "they have Kerry bumper stickers and yellow ribbons" (or something to that effect)...so I ask...that must mean, they dont support the war, but support the troops.

SO....lets say that Kerry is elected........are we going to pull 100% of our troops out of Iraq/Afganistan/ETC 24 hours later?

I highly doubt it.....so then.......would everyone who supports Kerry, THEN support this war???

my thought is that Kerry's going to continue this path that W. has created. He's not going to pull out early...regardless of whose elected, we'll still be there for quite some time.

Debate away, I want to know what Kerry's supporters think of this????

Brandy

 

[MosMom]

Nope. He has got to clean up the mess though and now we're in it, we have to get out of it the right way. It doesn't mean I support the war though.

 

[mudnuri]

He has got to clean up the mess though and now we're in it, we have to get out of it the right way

But it's not as easy as that, you cant "clean up the mess" in a few weeks.

What happens when we end up there for an extended period of time, and another 1000 troops die? Is it then Kerry's fault or will the blame ALWAYS be placed on GWB?

It doesn't mean I support the war though

99% of the people I know who support Kerry, support him because we are at war..... Yes, theres die hard line walkers who will support a canidate based only on his democrate or republican status, HOWEVER it usually comes back to something along the lines of W started the war...


Brandy

 

[MosMom]

Did I say it would happen in a few weeks? Nooooo. I don't support why we are there. Just because Kerry takes over doesn't make it okay. He will be inheriting a big mess. The fault will ALWAYS be on GWB because HE put us there. Those additional 1,000 troops would never have died there if he didn't make that choice to send them there. Anything resulting in and around the Iraq war will be on GWB's shoulders.

 

[mudnuri]

The fault will ALWAYS be on GWB because HE put us there

He had something to do with the terror attacks on the US?

My understanding was that it was Osama Bin Laden, and that Saddam was also a serious terrorism risk...

Of course we'll never know the answer to this, but I really wonder, what exactly Kerry would have done had he been in W's shoes. Anything can be said now, since he wasnt. And being an election year, its going to be the opposite of what W did, after all, that gives Kerry a 50% chance of getting a supporter...

Brandy

 

[bsnyder]

I think there's a very good possibility that if Kerry does win, he'll almost immediatley begin a withdrawal of our troops in Iraq.

 

[MosMom]

Heh, and the circle begins...

Can you supply something that shows Saddam was a serious terrorism risk? The man who masterminded 9/11 is still on the loose. Saddam Hussein was the biggest sleight of hand ever. I'm not going over this again. That dead horse has been beaten into a pulp.

As in everything in life...there will always be unanswered questions. It comes down to what you believe. Based on what I believe, Iraq is GWB's fault. Kerry taking over will not magically make the war in Iraq happyland.

 

[jmmom80]

Originally posted by bsnyder
I think there's a very good possibility that if Kerry does win, he'll almost immediatley begin a withdrawal of our troops in Iraq.

 

[Gupsmom]

He had something to do with the terror attacks on the US?

No, but neither did Iraq.



Kerry cannot and will not immediately pull all of our troops out of Iraq. I did not (and do not) support our reasons for going to war, but I understand that we cannot just leave.

I will vote for Kerry, in hopes of more sound foreign policy as well as a more concentrated effort on taking care of our problems at home.

Jess

 

[mudnuri]

I think there's a very good possibility that if Kerry does win, he'll almost immediatley begin a withdrawal of our troops in Iraq.

and how long after that do we suffer another 9/11? And what does that say/prove to these terrorists? Go ahead, attack us, we'll let ya!

Can you supply something that shows Saddam was a serious terrorism risk?

Mobile Biological Warfare Agent Production Plants:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraqi_mobile_plants/index.html


Iraq's chemical and biological weapons capability
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmfaff/813/81306.htm#a6

Skud Info
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/scud_info/

Brandy

 

[mudnuri]

as well as a more concentrated effort on taking care of our problems at home

I couldnt agree more with taking care of ourselves first!...however, it's been awhile since a president has actually done that huh!

Brandy

 

[Loftus]

Kerry won't pull troops out of Iraq because leaving an unstable country, ripe for takeover by Islamic fundamentalists, in a strategically important region is not in the US national interest.

But, to satisfy my curiosity, how do the troops stationed in Iraq prevent another 9/11?

 

[Bobbles]

If Hussein did indeed have WMD's, why didn't he use them when the US attacked?

What would he have to lose?

And If President Bush is re-elected, do you think we will not suffer another attack? I mean, is President Bush the "kryptonite" to terrorism?

I don't think it really matters who wins the election, there will probably be another attack. The reason is simply to show America that we are vulnerable despite all attempts.

Naturally homeland security must be continued and I doubt that Senator Kerry, if elected, would reduce or dispose of it.

Until Islam is brought to task on terrorism, religious fanatic terrorism will continue.

All these issues are way too difficult to figure out here on the DisBoards!

And yes... I support our troops. But not the reasons that put them in harm's way. I don't think I am not a patriotic American because I don't see things the way the conservatives do.

 

[shortbun]

We are mired so deeply in the "Bush War" that it will take
years to get us out, you are correct. John Kerry is sad that
he will have to deal with this but has said he will when elected.
I'm sad about it too. I think he will begin de-escalating as soon
as possible. I don't think W has that in mind. W thinks this
is a huge game of Risk. That is the danger of electing a POTUS
who has never travelled nor is intellectually curious-he thinks
it's a huge toy(the world) and takes his title of leader as license
to kill. W flew a few jets for fun in the Reserves. kerry has seen
actual battle and knows that it is no game indeed.
Have you seen Dr. Strangelove?

 

[tar heel]

I think we're in such a mess in Iraq that it's going to be years before we're out (if ever) regardless of who is elected.

I think electing Kerry, however, drastically improves the odds that we will NOT be bombing North Korea or Syria in the next four years.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by mudnuri
I couldnt agree more with taking care of ourselves first!...however, it's been awhile since a president has actually done that huh!

Brandy

What has Bush done here to "take care of us first"? Isn't liberating Iraq about taking care of the Iraqi people first? Do you understand that the terrorists that attacked the WTC and Pentagon were not Iraqis? It scares me that people out there are still living with that delusion.

 

[mudnuri]

What has Bush done here to "take care of us first"?

I guess you misunderstood my point. My point was its been many years since we've had a successfull economy, with good paying jobs for US CITIZENS....yet we continue to allow imigrants, both legal and illegal to be here, receive full benefits from the government, while our own (yes, that'd be the ones who are US CITIZENS) are suffering

nothing to do with the war really!

Brandy

 

[Saffron]

This thread is confusing the heck out of me.

Anyway ... it doesn't matter who sits in the Oval office, Republican or Democrat, terrorism will always plague this country.

I don't know of any Iraqi that has bombed this country, or that has even been suspected of being capable of doing so, but I've heard the names of a few Saudis, Afganies and Americans who have. Timothy McVey ... name ring a bell? How does having troops fighting in Iraq stop the Timothy McVey's or Osama bin Laden's??? Like Mo'sMom, I refuse to revisit the 9/11/Iraq NON connection. You either get it or you don't. That dead horse is definitely pulp by now.

I doubt very much Kerry will bring the troops home immediately, but I hope he starts working towards that goal immediately. And the responsiblity for the war, the out come of the war, the causalties of the war etc. will ALWAYS be on W's shoulders, good or bad. The only way Kerry or any other person elected to office will bear any responsibility for the war is if that person escalates the war and if that person continues on the same exact path as Bush, whatever that may be.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Originally posted by mudnuri
I guess you misunderstood my point. My point was its been many years since we've had a successfull economy, with good paying jobs for US CITIZENS....yet we continue to allow imigrants, both legal and illegal to be here, receive full benefits from the government, while our own (yes, that'd be the ones who are US CITIZENS) are suffering

nothing to do with the war really!

Brandy

What's wrong with letting LEGAL immigrants recieve benefits? What are they getting that ELIGABLE citizens aren't/can't get?

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by bsnyder
I think there's a very good possibility that if Kerry does win, he'll almost immediatley begin a withdrawal of our troops in Iraq.

Are these ideas based on any concrete evidence or just the product of a fertile imagination?

The fact is, because of the miscalculations, incompetence, and lack of a strategic plan, there aren't many options to solving the problem of Iraq. This is George Bush's war and he screwed it up royally. You don't have to look any further than the National Intelligence Estimate Bush received in July which contained such a bleak estimate of what's happening in Iraq and that Bush kept to himself. Gee, I wonder why.

What's Kerry going to do? I don't know and I don't know that Kerry has enough information on the true situation in Iraq to make any concrete plans. B

Btw, what is George Bush's plan other than the usual BS that Iraq is headed for democracy, things are getting better there, and on and on and on?

One more thing, wasn't the "Mission Accomplished" on May 1, 2003?